POLITICAL PRAYER: Atheist group wants...

POLITICAL PRAYER: Atheist group wants lawmakers to stop praying...

There are 10 comments on the WHOtv story from Jan 12, 2010, titled POLITICAL PRAYER: Atheist group wants lawmakers to stop praying.... In it, WHOtv reports that:

Monday's legislative session began like most sessions; with a prayer. But the group "Iowa Atheists and Freethinkers" wants to put an end to the practice by sending lawmakers an e-mail demanding the prayers stop.

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FREETHOUGHT

Littleton, CO

#1 Jan 12, 2010
I think that it is refreshing to know that when these cases go before trial the law stands behind seperation of church from state.

One small place where the system is actually working.
Akorn

Des Moines, IA

#2 Jan 12, 2010
Whine Whine Whine! Leave the room if prayer "hurt's your feelings". It's not like you are being forced to pray!

"If they say I'm imposing my religion on them, then aren't they imposing their beliefs on me by asking for this?"

Absolutely!!!
In God We Trust
CL in Des Moines

Des Moines, IA

#3 Jan 12, 2010
It is time we stop letting a vocal minority try to inhibit the rights of the majority. Separation of church and state is a myth perpetuated by those who want no mention of God in the public eye. If they do not believe in God, why are they so threatened by the mention of His name?
Cattyanne

Palo, IA

#4 Jan 12, 2010
CL in Des Moines wrote:
It is time we stop letting a vocal minority try to inhibit the rights of the majority. Separation of church and state is a myth perpetuated by those who want no mention of God in the public eye. If they do not believe in God, why are they so threatened by the mention of His name?
Amen to this post! Keep God in our Country and in our personal lives as well!
Wolff

Ipswich, SD

#5 Jan 12, 2010
What of a waste of a post. Let them pray. I am not religious. If they have beliefs just sit there like i do.
DuckPhup

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#6 Jan 12, 2010
Akorn wrote:
Whine Whine Whine! Leave the room if prayer "hurt's your feelings". It's not like you are being forced to pray!

"If they say I'm imposing my religion on them, then aren't they imposing their beliefs on me by asking for this?"
Absolutely!!!
In God We Trust
No, they aren't trying to impose their beliefs on you... they're trying to get government bodies to uphold the Constitution, instead of violating it. Funny... it seems to always be the Christ-cult who insists on trampling all over the Constitution, while (ironically) the atheists and freethinkers are trying to protect YOUR rights, along with everyone else's. The point that you seem to be oblivious to is that being a Christ-cult delusionist DOES NOT give you the right to violate the Constitution. The Constitution is for everyone... and it prohibits government from promoting, conducting or sanctioning sectarian beliefs and rituals.
"[ChristiansÂ…] claim that they are being persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do." ~ D. Dale Gulledge
"It is the position of some theists that their right to freedom OF religion is abridged when they are not allowed to violate the rationalists' right to freedom FROM religion." ~ James T. Green
DuckPhup

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#7 Jan 12, 2010
CL in Des Moines wrote:
It is time we stop letting a vocal minority try to inhibit the rights of the majority. Separation of church and state is a myth perpetuated by those who want no mention of God in the public eye. If they do not believe in God, why are they so threatened by the mention of His name?
They are not threatened by the mention of Its name... they are threatened by ongoing violations of the Constitution; you should be, too. The fact that you are ENCOURAGING the ongoing violation of the Constitution is troubling.

Also, it gets up their nose somewhat, to see government time and resources being wasted in purveying, promoting, protecting and defending gullibility, self-deception, self-delusion, irrationality, intellectual dishonesty, willful ignorance, credulity, lies, hypocrisy, and toxic, drooling stupidity.

The 'separation of church and state' is NOT a myth. The Bill of Rights was created by a committee headed-up by James Madison. Jefferson was Madison's mentor, and the amendments were based (in part) on the Virginia rights, upon which Jefferson and Madison had collaborated. When the Supreme Court sought 'interpretive guidance', in order to establish the INTENT of the First Amendment, there was (and is) no more authoritative source than Jefferson... and they found their interpretive guidance, and a clear expression of intent, in Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists.
DuckPhup

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#8 Jan 12, 2010
Sorry for the double-post. There was an error message from the server upon the first attempt, and I thought it did not go through. Oops.
Darlene

Ankeny, IA

#9 Jan 12, 2010
Akorn wrote:
Whine Whine Whine! Leave the room if prayer "hurt's your feelings". It's not like you are being forced to pray!
"If they say I'm imposing my religion on them, then aren't they imposing their beliefs on me by asking for this?"
Absolutely!!!
In God We Trust
THEY CAN'T LEAVE THE ROOM. The prayers have become part of the official business. The chamber is locked before the prayer starts, and then the prayer is to "God" or "Our God", which is exclusively Christian. People who aren't Christian don't want to pay lawmakers to make Christian laws. Any sane adult knows that, if you want to do your job properly, no matter what your job is, you leave your personal problems at home when you go to work, and you leave your religious views at church and at home. The laws that are being made by these men who refuse to compartmentalize their professional and religious lives are laws that will have to be obeyed by everyone, even those who do not believe in Christianity. Taxpayer money is being used to pay legislators for their worship time, and to pay clergy for travel expenses. The framers of the Constitution recognized the folly of religious government, so they put the separation of church and state language in the Constitution. They were right, and we want our legislators to stop ignoring that fact.
Darlene

Ankeny, IA

#10 Jan 12, 2010
CL in Des Moines wrote:
It is time we stop letting a vocal minority try to inhibit the rights of the majority. Separation of church and state is a myth perpetuated by those who want no mention of God in the public eye. If they do not believe in God, why are they so threatened by the mention of His name?
Actually, it's time to start protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority. If the majority is always right and can be trusted to be just, we wouldn't need a Constitution. The Constitution was framed just for situations like this; when the majority starts thinking it's right just because it's bigger.
What if men who believed in Sharia law were elected to office in such numbers as to make them a majority in our Congress? Would you not feel "threatened" if they blatantly flaunted their refusal to leave their personal religious beliefs at home when they are being paid by you to make laws you and everybody else have to follow?

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