Who do you support for U.S. Senate in North Carolina in 2010?

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Unfortunately, the public and congress has been unable to comprehend the enormity of our debt problem. I see congressmen speaking with obvious ignorance of the difference between debt and deficit. I see continued blind faith trust in the discredited "voodoo economics" idea that cutting taxes raises tax revenues. Our members of congress are too old to still believe in the tooth fairy. Now we are at the point that we either work together to right the ship or all sink with it.
Welfare/socialism to the rich? We are giving away 1.3 trillion dollars annually to the rich in loopholes, subsidies, exemptions, exclusions, incentives, no bid contracts, etc. By contrast, the total cost of all the payout to baby mommas, all the unemployed, all the WIC, all the food stamps, etc (all social programs combined) is less than 0.8 trillion dollars.
It doesn't matter if I oppose it or not, the reality is that socialism to the rich and poor has to stop in order to get our house in order. It would be nice if the tooth fairy was right and we could get out by just starving the poor or by soaking the rich. Unfortunately, we have to do both. Taking monetary policy away from the federal reserve bank will also be necessary but very politically messy. The last president to attempt that was JFK. We would not be in this present mess if he had been sucessful.
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<quoted text>So, is it that you think the public has not been paying attention to what has been happening to their money? Please explain "welfare/socialism for the rich".
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Dec 6, 2012
 
Those are astoundingly stupid but represent only a drop in an ocean of theft fraud, subsidies, loopholes, exemptions, incentives, etc.

For example: In NC state government, 3 cents of every tax dollar goes to corporate incentives with no assurance that jobs will be creatd.
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<quoted text>Sorry about replying to my own post, but this link is outdated, it's from 2005, but it shows some funded programs that are just stupid. Maybe Washington should start here and the look at raising taxes.
http://funding-programs.idilogic.aidpage.com/

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Dec 6, 2012
 
TSF you are very intelligent.Too smart to run for office...

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Makin bacon wrote:
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Number three, if Bacon spoke for you, you would know how to spell the number, "two".
o my fking god bacon, your so clever. Like I give a damn about my grammar after working on a thesis for 2 hrs.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Religion flew those planes into the WTC? Thought it was a bunch of fanatical Saudis...People always gonna find a reason to justify their evil....
fanatical and extremist muslims declaring holy war on America and believing that their martydom was justified.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
sevenSecrets wrote:
<quoted text>fanatical and extremist muslims declaring holy war on America and believing that their martydom was justified.
Hate always finds a way there seven....free flow of information is the biggest enemy for muslims....their women are saying hmmmm....why can't I GO TO SCHOOL? WHY CAN'T I DRIVE? Why can't I be a DOCTOR?

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<quoted text>It's OK waco, before the election, I was told to post links to support my opinion, now it's give an opinion on my links. So, I have decided to post links that support my opinion. I find it less repetitive.
To hard to do both? I do not ask for a link to all opinions,mostly if you make a firm claim that sounds false.
Clearly you cannot even comprehend what the hell I am talking about. This is not that complicated.

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<quoted text>o my fking god bacon, your so clever. Like I give a damn about my grammar after working on a thesis for 2 hrs.
Work two more years and you may learn the difference in grammar and spelling. I questioned your spelling, not your grammar.

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waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> I'm rebutting your ignorant claim! I SAID it was because DEMARK doesn't put all their citizens in jail for BULLSHIT drug offenses! Got it?
That is not exactly rebutting my claim, it is another claim.
If you were actually rebutting my claim, you would be giving reasons my claim is incorrect.
I know debating is really complicated.

So please clarify your claim. Are the drug laws more lax there, or are they just not putting people in jail for breaking the law?

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Dec 6, 2012
 
emlu wrote:
<quoted text>It's OK waco, before the election, I was told to post links to support my opinion, now it's give an opinion on my links. So, I have decided to post links that support my opinion. I find it less repetitive.
So am I to assume every statement in articles or links you post are of you exact opinion?
Again, I would never let anyone else speak for me in such a way. I can speak for myself. It is so sad you cannot.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Makin bacon wrote:
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I hopped over here and just about missed your post because your picture is gone?? First, we're not talking about every other country on the planet, we're discussing the U.S. Secondly, if I must be honest, I don't always reply to Taxpayer because I don't understand his posts. Doesn't mean he's wrong, just means I don't understand and he got a little testy with me one time about gun safety and I decided to leave him alone. As for his party affiliation, I haven't figured that out either, so your guess is as good as mine. Mike, this is how I feel and if you feel the need, you can name it a new "ism". Ownership of property is not just my yard, car or home, it's the money I worked for that I own. It's mine, therefore IMO, it's my property. When I'm told by the government that a group of people make too much money, or have acquired too much money and they need to tax them a "little more" to help our country through no fault of the citizens that didn't make the tax laws to begin with, spent our money like drunken sailors and now owe other countries and are having to print money, why does anyone need to "pay a little more"? If the new "paying a little more" doesn't work; what's next, pay a little more, pay a little more etc. Let's be real here, there's the haves, the kind of haves and the have nots. I think all classes should pay a flat tax and be done with it. Back to the communism thing, when people work hard and manage to make a decent life for themselves, only in the U.S. are you punished for it through taxation. This is so all the perks and programs of the politicians and people that own them get pushed through. If these politicians and their buddies that bought them like these programs, tax the heck out of them and leave my money alone. While we're at it, when a government can force you to buy a commodity of ANY KIND i.e. healthcare or punish you again through penalities or taxation, what's next? When did our government get bold enough to tell us how to spend our money that we made and paid taxes on? That's not called freedom, it's called taking from one class and giving to another, so everybody will be equal. Well quess what, everybody's not equal financially and that's not my problem. Where will government intervention stop in our lives?
Where will it stop? Who knows, but acting like this relatively small intervention compared to many other countries is communism, makes the word lose its real meaning. Just as how you compare taxation to ownership by the government.
I know we are talking about America, but when doing so, I use other countries to compare for perspective.
I think no one is raising taxes because they claim some make "too much". The claim is, "they make enough to pay more". Seems republicans keep getting this confused.
Keep in mind, the tax rate has lowered drastically in the past fifty years, so a small increase for a few is not reversing the overall lower tax rate of yesteryear. Tweaking always must be done to balance the budget. And keep in mind, republicans voted for much of the spending that needs to be paid down.
Also keep in mind, Democrats are on board for compromise in cuts versus taxes. Again, balance is key.
The theory is, spending must be more in times of recession, to boost or at least stabilize the economy. And the spending did make it relatively stable compared to the drastic downturn during Bush.
The theory is, pay down the debt in the good times and spend in the bad. Bush and the republican congress failed to pay down the debt in the good times, and spent to much. Basically, he failed to save for a rainy day. This is common, and I think this is what needs to always be focused on. Next time the economy is well, that is when the clamp should be put on spending. If this happened, no tax hikes would be needed.
Republicans helped make this bed they now refuse to sleep in.
Thanks for posting some good substance here.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>That is not exactly rebutting my claim, it is another claim.
If you were actually rebutting my claim, you would be giving reasons my claim is incorrect.
I know debating is really complicated.
So please clarify your claim. Are the drug laws more lax there, or are they just not putting people in jail for breaking the law?
71 per one hundred thousand to 715 per one hundred thousand....I don't know dude, what do you think?

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waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Religion flew those planes into the WTC? Thought it was a bunch of fanatical Saudis...People always gonna find a reason to justify their evil....
I feel it was religion foremost. The Saudi Muslims were brainwashed by blind belief in god, that martyrdom would be rewarded in the afterlife.
They believed America was infringing upon their religious lifestyle, which the Koran demands one must fight to the death to keep.
We are infidels in their eyes.
Without the religious belief, they would be far less likely to have done what they did. Religion is the tool for war, and this is a perfect example. Ignore and deny it at your peril.

The bible speaks of war for martyrdom also. It commands one to kill infidels also. And many did all throughout history, in the Judeo/Christian gods name. It is claimed in the bible and documented in the history books. It is still happening in Africa today. The lords resistance army.

So when Christians deny 9/11 had anything to do with religion, it reeks of protectionism of their own faith.

If you do not understand the problem, you will never be able to find solutions for them.
Promoting blind faith only emboldens and justifies them. Protecting religion from scrutiny is part of the problem. This is why I speak out on religion. So when I see you guys run from the scrutiny, it shows me why we have a problem.
I have no doubt the 9/11 terrorists also refused to debate their beliefs.

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waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> 71 per one hundred thousand to 715 per one hundred thousand....I don't know dude, what do you think?
Again, I am asking you what you think.I am not even sure what the stat is about, as you did not say.

I have stated several times our drug laws are draconian and cause more problems than they fix. Not sure of their laws, so I am asking you what policies are contributing to the situation there? Your vague posts just confuse me.

Also, I think religion has much to do with it, religion has a lot to do with draconian drug laws.
One must look at the root problem to find solutions.

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waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Hate always finds a way there seven....free flow of information is the biggest enemy for muslims....their women are saying hmmmm....why can't I GO TO SCHOOL? WHY CAN'T I DRIVE? Why can't I be a DOCTOR?
As I claimed, religion suppresses women.

And yes, information is key. This is why I urge you to discuss your own beliefs of god. You see, every religious person feels his faith is not of harm. So when you call out Islam, you may wish to consider they will not listen to you, as you will not listen to me about faith. Set an example or just look hypocritical.

Note the Christians here that have been claiming Christianity does not suppress women. Well the Muslims might just feel the same about their treatment of women. It is all denial.

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waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Hate always finds a way there seven....free flow of information is the biggest enemy for muslims....their women are saying hmmmm....why can't I GO TO SCHOOL? WHY CAN'T I DRIVE? Why can't I be a DOCTOR?
Maybe their Koran says something like the bibles passage about not allowing women to teach.
If you think about it, they are just following their religion more strictly than many modern Christians.
And no, that is not good to do.

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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I feel it was religion foremost. The Saudi Muslims were brainwashed by blind belief in god, that martyrdom would be rewarded in the afterlife.
They believed America was infringing upon their religious lifestyle, which the Koran demands one must fight to the death to keep.
We are infidels in their eyes.
Without the religious belief, they would be far less likely to have done what they did. Religion is the tool for war, and this is a perfect example. Ignore and deny it at your peril.
The bible speaks of war for martyrdom also. It commands one to kill infidels also. And many did all throughout history, in the Judeo/Christian gods name. It is claimed in the bible and documented in the history books. It is still happening in Africa today. The lords resistance army.
So when Christians deny 9/11 had anything to do with religion, it reeks of protectionism of their own faith.
If you do not understand the problem, you will never be able to find solutions for them.
Promoting blind faith only emboldens and justifies them. Protecting religion from scrutiny is part of the problem. This is why I speak out on religion. So when I see you guys run from the scrutiny, it shows me why we have a problem.
I have no doubt the 9/11 terrorists also refused to debate their beliefs.
Mike, I did a little research and pardon the fact that I can't post any links because I had two power outages within a few minutes and lost the name of the sites.

I wrote this one down there, out of the history of wars the total given was 1763 only 123 were because of religious beliefs and this would be 6.98%. This can be found in Philips and Axelrod's 3 Volume Encylopedia of Wars. I also went to a site by an athiest and while writing down his statistics I had another power outage and didn't get his name . He stated or "ceded" that his statistics are closer to 16% of wars being because of religion. I didn't get a chance to read either sites' opinion of 9/11. However today as I was the news regarding the lunatic in Syria threatening to nerve gas his own people, I haven't heard anything about religion mentioned. Not saying that's not the reason, just saying I haven't heard it as a reason.

IMO, 9/11 had little to do with religion and more to do with them being pissed at the U.S. I never heard the attack on the WTC was motivated by religion. I think we would be foolish to disregard there are power, money hungry dictators that are willing to start wars and kill to acquire power, money and land. For example, if the Castro brothers started a war (as if), I know they don't give two hoots in hell about religion, it would be about power and monetary gain. Don't be so quick to blame everything on religion because there are just flat out evil people in this world and they kill or war for a cause bigger than some god they claim to worship.

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TSF wrote:
Possibly typical but not all inclusive. Also , I do not believe that religion and science are in conflict in any way. For instance, I see overwhelming evidence of evolution and do not believe that the theory conflicts with scriptures. If God is all powerful, he can use any process he choses to develop species.
The most misguided human individuals in my estimation, are the ones who claim to know the mind of God and to be in possession of the "only true religion". These folks do more damage to their beliefs than they can ever know. On the opposite end of that extreme are those who deny the possibility of existence of God, or anything else for that matter, just because they have not yet seen proof. The first lesson a scientist has to learn is to keep an open mind and to the extent humanly possible, to exclude personal bias in evaluating evidence/results/data/calculat ions/observations.
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Just so you know, I have never denied the possibility of a god existing. I base my view on the likelihood of a god existing. I withhold belief due to the lack of likelihood.
When I say a specific god is a myth, it is more due to the knowns about the god and evidence against the claims of said god.

For example, the god of the bible is said to have created all "kinds" (as in all species) in one day. Science can show massive amounts of evidence that the different kinds of animals came to be in stages of time, not even close to what the bible claims.

This is why literalist believers claim evolution is false. Now if you wish to claim the bible is of metaphor and not literal, your god is not the god I might be talking about.

Now when you speak of understanding the mind of god, I think it is only human to project what the god may be thinking. Any all powerful god would surely understand this human instinct.
The bible describes what god wants, and thus man will project what the god may think. Just as when you try to understand the mind of your mate.

If you cannot comprehend the mind of your god, then just what are you thinking of your god? What is it you think your god does or wants? I am asking, what is the point of belief in your god, if you do not know what he wants or thinks?

If the bible is of metaphor, then would that not mean it is a guide to how god thinks and thus wants you to act?

BTW, most scientists are agnostic. It is the "open minded" way.
I think technically most atheists are agnostic. Most would be open to the idea a god exist, they just withhold belief until evidence or some better reasoning is produced to show likelihood.

I also think many agnostics are also atheist, as they do not believe in a theistic god, they just remain open to the idea a bit more.
Even prominent atheist, Richard Dawkins, when penned down on this, says he is technically agnostic, because he leaves open a .01% chance a god could exist.

So they problem is, the English language is not sufficient in categorizing us to well. I have seen countless debates of the definitions of these terms.

Note, there is no term for the non belief in unicorns. And if one does not see a likelihood they exist, he need not withhold disbelief.

You note scripture, so does that mean you think one source of scripture is more accurate than any others?

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I am not sure about the amount of scientific knowledge St Thomas Aquinas had, but his statement reveals that he clearly understood why there is a difference between believers and non believers. The church opposition to science has been brutal in the past to protect dogma, which is much different than religion. Much later, Copernicus was deemed a heretic and a fool because he had the audacity to claim that the Earth was not the center of the Universe and that the Earth was revolving around the Sun. Galileo was convicted as a heretic as a result of confirming the ideas of Corponicus and was only post humanously pardoned by the Catholic Church in 1996. Church adherance to dogma has created the carnage, conflict, injustice, horrors,ignorance , etc. That dogma is not religion.
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Not sure what you feel 'religion' means.
Lets look at this first, because otherwise we are just disputing a word.

Wiki,
Religion is a collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the Universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

The Catholic dogma is of the collection of belief systems, it is a cultural system, and is a worldview......
It fits the description of religion perfectly. So saying it is not religion is just denying the definition of the English language.

Now as I noted about atheism and agnosticism, words do not always describe what we think as fully, so we need to come to some understanding of what your perspective of religion is.

Yes, Aquinas did show the differences in mentalities, but he did so poorly in some respects, as I showed. What I do agree about his statement is, many of the religious do not feel a need for answers to the natural world through science due to the idea they already know the answers due to testimonies of scripture.

I think this is dangerous and ignorant,just ask Copernicus and Galileo.

I cannot understand why a religious person would be proud to claim Aquinas's statement as true.

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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Again, I am asking you what you think.I am not even sure what the stat is about, as you did not say.
I have stated several times our drug laws are draconian and cause more problems than they fix. Not sure of their laws, so I am asking you what policies are contributing to the situation there? Your vague posts just confuse me.
Also, I think religion has much to do with it, religion has a lot to do with draconian drug laws.
One must look at the root problem to find solutions.
I don't know dude.Don't have a computer, so I can't get any further into the stats.I'm"assuming"i ts drug related, as our drug laws are draconian,as you said earlier.

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