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Accessibilty is he Law

Independence, KS

#1 Nov 18, 2012
I just heard "Mr.Independence" Jim Kelly announce that in order to win, you must be present at the drawing. Do they take into account that those with disabilities may be unable to get downtown after dark or be able to manuver the crowd? With all the fuss about ADA compliace you would think that they would take this into account. Mr. Independence!
help wanted

United States

#2 Nov 18, 2012
probably not. they also don't take into account that people might have a family dinner on Sunday night. And some people might work. And others might have had plans. And others..... Sounds like a potential class action suit. I'm all for accommodating those with disabilities. But I think your trivializing compliance. In less you really thought that you had a great chance to win.
Accessibilty is the Law

Independence, KS

#3 Nov 19, 2012
Wasn't meaning to be trivializing compliance, just highlihting the fact that after everything Independence has gone through, they still do not get it.
your ass

Independence, KS

#4 Nov 19, 2012
Your probably nothing but a fat ass on walfare anyway that never shops down town.
Hometown Girl

Fort Scott, KS

#5 Nov 19, 2012
The papers that you filled out at the businesses downtown for the drawing said you had to be present to win. There was no place on the form for a phone number.
Cindy

Independence, KS

#6 Nov 19, 2012
Accessibilty is he Law wrote:
I just heard "Mr.Independence" Jim Kelly announce that in order to win, you must be present at the drawing. Do they take into account that those with disabilities may be unable to get downtown after dark or be able to manuver the crowd? With all the fuss about ADA compliace you would think that they would take this into account. Mr. Independence!
I hope you lose.
Accessibilty is the Law

Independence, KS

#7 Nov 19, 2012
Cindy wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope you lose.
The only ones that lose is the citizens of Independence that are excluded from particapating in community activities because of selfish actions by the city planners.
hey muffin cake

Independence, KS

#8 Nov 19, 2012
Accessibilty is the Law wrote:
<quoted text>The only ones that lose is the citizens of Independence that are excluded from particapating in community activities because of selfish actions by the city planners.
Sometimes life is a bitch, isn't it? Deal with it!

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#9 Nov 20, 2012
Accessibilty is the Law wrote:
<quoted text>The only ones that lose is the citizens of Independence that are excluded from particapating in community activities because of selfish actions by the city planners.
Why don't you call Jim Kelly and talk with him about the issue...?

You know, everyone looks at the world through there own eyes and non-disabled eyes don't always see the disadvantages that disabled folks do...your job is to educate, not denigrate...

Jim is a fair man and I'm sure he would like your input into the situation...

Talking with him would have more of an effect than constantly WHINING about things on Topix, don't you think?

Just a suggestion....take it for what it will help you...
Accessibility is the Law

Independence, KS

#10 Nov 20, 2012
WHINING sir, really? I would guess you are or were a business owner in Independence at some point and have rubbed elbows with the muckity muck and rather than to admit that Independence has a problem that needs brought to the public eye, you appear to be one to want private conversations to occur on the hush. This is a problem that needs to be displayed openly, Mr. Independence is a State Representative, wouldn't you think he would have more sense than he shows? Topix is more than keep a word, drop a word.

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#11 Nov 20, 2012
Accessibility is the Law wrote:
WHINING sir, really? I would guess you are or were a business owner in Independence at some point and have rubbed elbows with the muckity muck and rather than to admit that Independence has a problem that needs brought to the public eye, you appear to be one to want private conversations to occur on the hush. This is a problem that needs to be displayed openly, Mr. Independence is a State Representative, wouldn't you think he would have more sense than he shows? Topix is more than keep a word, drop a word.
There, there...you assume much in your post. I have owned a business in Independence at one time but I didn't belong to the Chamber of Commerce if that is what you mean by muckity muck...your personal bitterness shows...gett over it and you will find people easier to get along with...

You DO NOT KNOW ME, Mr. Accessability...do not assume ANYTHING about me or how I act or feel towards people with diabilities....

I am also disabled...I suffered a severe, permenent hearing loss from a very nearby explosion in Vietnam while serving our country in a thankless war. Do I let that bother me? I have managed to live a normal life without WHINING about poor old me...I adapted, I overcame...

I NEVER said sweep this under the carpet about public assessability issues in this contest, I merely suggested that you call Mr. Kelly and tell him how disappointed you are with his public stance on the issue. He is a public figure and a school board representative as well as a state legistlative representative. I am sure that he is interested in his constituents views, disabled or not. Talking with him is not on the "hush"; it's telling him how disappointed you are in his actions...

By the tone of your post you seem to have a bone to pick with Mr. Kelly...kind of a deep seated resentment...need to get over that, Mr. Kelly can help your cause if you discuss your concerns in an adult manner.

...as I previously stated, people tend to see things from their own point of view and sometimes don't always understand the point of view of the disabled person...sometimes the disability isn't readily appearant...education is called for, but not lectures on how it's the LAW and you will comply...people will drag their feet every inch of the way....you don't want that, do you?

...my hearing loss isn't apparent and I do have to ask people to speak up or repeat things. If I ask nicely almost everyone understands my problem and will be happy to make allowances for my disability. If I don't ask nicely, people tend to resent my behavior and will not cooperate.

I am all for better assessability to public venues for disabled persons, but it has to be a two way street. I don't need people acting up badly to get attention for their point of view. As I said before, you DO NOT know me...DO NOT make assumptions about me or the way I think or feel about assessability issues. I AM all for the education of the public about assessability issues, but I do suggest that it be done with a educational tone and not as a lecturette. You will get more cooperation from the average person.

Yes, Independence has a problem, but it is not a problem that is unique to Independence, nor will it be solved overnight. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was Independence. Improvements will come as we are able to afford them...not a minute sooner...we all understand that it is the law, quit cramming that down our collective throats...educate, don't lecture the law...

I agree with you that Topix is more than "keep a word-drop a word". I would remind you that life is more than a disability problem...it is what you make of it. I have never let my disability get in the way of having a good time or being with friends because I have learned to live with my disability and met everyone at least half way.

Have a profitable day, Sir.
Bo tay Po tay

Independence, KS

#12 Nov 20, 2012
Indy_Dick wrote:
<quoted text>There, there...you assume much in your post. I have owned a business in Independence at one time but I didn't belong to the Chamber of Commerce if that is what you mean by muckity muck...your personal bitterness shows...gett over it and you will find people easier to get along with...
You DO NOT KNOW ME, Mr. Accessability...do not assume ANYTHING about me or how I act or feel towards people with diabilities....
I am also disabled...I suffered a severe, permenent hearing loss from a very nearby explosion in Vietnam while serving our country in a thankless war. Do I let that bother me? I have managed to live a normal life without WHINING about poor old me...I adapted, I overcame...
I NEVER said sweep this under the carpet about public assessability issues in this contest, I merely suggested that you call Mr. Kelly and tell him how disappointed you are with his public stance on the issue. He is a public figure and a school board representative as well as a state legistlative representative. I am sure that he is interested in his constituents views, disabled or not. Talking with him is not on the "hush"; it's telling him how disappointed you are in his actions...
By the tone of your post you seem to have a bone to pick with Mr. Kelly...kind of a deep seated resentment...need to get over that, Mr. Kelly can help your cause if you discuss your concerns in an adult manner.
...as I previously stated, people tend to see things from their own point of view and sometimes don't always understand the point of view of the disabled person...sometimes the disability isn't readily appearant...education is called for, but not lectures on how it's the LAW and you will comply...people will drag their feet every inch of the way....you don't want that, do you?
...my hearing loss isn't apparent and I do have to ask people to speak up or repeat things. If I ask nicely almost everyone understands my problem and will be happy to make allowances for my disability. If I don't ask nicely, people tend to resent my behavior and will not cooperate.
I am all for better assessability to public venues for disabled persons, but it has to be a two way street. I don't need people acting up badly to get attention for their point of view. As I said before, you DO NOT know me...DO NOT make assumptions about me or the way I think or feel about assessability issues. I AM all for the education of the public about assessability issues, but I do suggest that it be done with a educational tone and not as a lecturette. You will get more cooperation from the average person.
Yes, Independence has a problem, but it is not a problem that is unique to Independence, nor will it be solved overnight. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was Independence. Improvements will come as we are able to afford them...not a minute sooner...we all understand that it is the law, quit cramming that down our collective throats...educate, don't lecture the law...
I agree with you that Topix is more than "keep a word-drop a word". I would remind you that life is more than a disability problem...it is what you make of it. I have never let my disability get in the way of having a good time or being with friends because I have learned to live with my disability and met everyone at least half way.
Have a profitable day, Sir.
Best dang thing you posted in a while!
hey kids

Jefferson City, MO

#13 Nov 20, 2012
you all act like a bunch of children - you don't even consider what christmas is really about.
Coming soon

Independence, KS

#14 Nov 20, 2012
Doubt it

Independence, KS

#15 Nov 20, 2012
Coming soon wrote:
http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news /ada-attorney-forces-out-small -business-pollock/
You see we may be boarder line inbread but us red necks in kansas arent gonna put up with that liberal bull!! Bottom feeder lawyer crap. Hell we might use a boy like that lawyer for target practice.
Doubt it

Independence, KS

#16 Nov 20, 2012
Accessibility is the Law wrote:
WHINING sir, really? I would guess you are or were a business owner in Independence at some point and have rubbed elbows with the muckity muck and rather than to admit that Independence has a problem that needs brought to the public eye, you appear to be one to want private conversations to occur on the hush. This is a problem that needs to be displayed openly, Mr. Independence is a State Representative, wouldn't you think he would have more sense than he shows? Topix is more than keep a word, drop a word.
Keep on dip wad
Coming soon

Independence, KS

#17 Nov 20, 2012
how funny

Wichita, KS

#18 Nov 20, 2012
You all act like Independence is the only town that holds "you must be present to win" contest. They aren't. Quit complaining and be thankful we had the opportunity to win. Such complainers.
We Are Coming To Ind

Everett, WA

#19 Nov 20, 2012
We are giving advanced notice The ADA Compliance Committee (TADAC) will be coming to the Montgomery county area soon. All business' will be looked at according to the law. This is a very simple rule, if your business cannot function for all persons, make it that way. We look forward to serving you soon. Thank you and have a nice day!
Run Christmas

Hutchinson, KS

#20 Nov 21, 2012
With the atheists not wanting Christmas decorations, ADA shutting down businesses, you gripping about a little drawing, this world is getting nuts. Take the enjoyment out of life. BAH HUM BUG!

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