One reason taxes are high and city is broke

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WOW

Independence, KS

#1 Feb 14, 2013
Want to see one reason this place keeps getting worse and worse and worse when it comes to the city having enough money and raising our taxes? Go to the Montgomery County Appraiser's website and do a public parcel search. When you get to the screen that shows "Owner's Name" at the top, type in "Independence, City of."

Take a look at all the property the city owns (dozens and dozens)and the amount of property taxes it pays on all those properties ($0). Some of these are buildings used by the city but a lot of them are probably housing authority homes. If all the land and all the houses that are owned by the housing authority were owned by private people, those private people would have to pay property taxes on them that would help add to the bank accounts of the city, county, etc.(otherwise us). Wouldn't it make sense to stop taking property off the tax rolls by buying them for the housing authority, for rental properties and other great causes? Just look at how much the place behind Auto Zone appraised for and how much we could have collected in taxes for years IF the city hadn't bought it, torn part of it down, and gotten a tax exemption on the rest.(There was one local businessman who was interested in buying the church, but the city got first shot at it and bought it.) It's crazy they keep raising our taxes while at the same time taking millions of dollars of property off the tax rolls. Does anyone understand how this makes sense? Please don't tell me we are doing it so we can have plenty of homes for everyone. Everyone would have plenty of homes if everyone did like most of us do, WORK FOR WHAT WE HAVE.
Denny

Independence, KS

#2 Feb 14, 2013
WOW wrote:
Want to see one reason this place keeps getting worse and worse and worse when it comes to the city having enough money and raising our taxes? Go to the Montgomery County Appraiser's website and do a public parcel search. When you get to the screen that shows "Owner's Name" at the top, type in "Independence, City of."
Take a look at all the property the city owns (dozens and dozens)and the amount of property taxes it pays on all those properties ($0). Some of these are buildings used by the city but a lot of them are probably housing authority homes. If all the land and all the houses that are owned by the housing authority were owned by private people, those private people would have to pay property taxes on them that would help add to the bank accounts of the city, county, etc.(otherwise us). Wouldn't it make sense to stop taking property off the tax rolls by buying them for the housing authority, for rental properties and other great causes? Just look at how much the place behind Auto Zone appraised for and how much we could have collected in taxes for years IF the city hadn't bought it, torn part of it down, and gotten a tax exemption on the rest.(There was one local businessman who was interested in buying the church, but the city got first shot at it and bought it.) It's crazy they keep raising our taxes while at the same time taking millions of dollars of property off the tax rolls. Does anyone understand how this makes sense? Please don't tell me we are doing it so we can have plenty of homes for everyone. Everyone would have plenty of homes if everyone did like most of us do, WORK FOR WHAT WE HAVE.
The major part of the problem is that most local residents don't bother to keep up with the mischief city and county government does around here, with the result that our so-called leaders know they can get away with such financial irresponsibility.

It's also a problem that the so-called media around here can't or won't expose the damage being done to local residents. It's lucky we have at least Topix.
lower taxes

Wichita, KS

#3 Feb 14, 2013
I was lucky this year and my property taxes actually went down,of course the value of my property is lower,don't live in the best part of town. What concerns me is the way the city is spending and planning to spend the increase in sales tax. I talked to three business owners last week and all stated their business is down. Lower sales less tax dollars to spend,but the city just keeps spending. I know I am watching my pennies.
shutyoumouf

Independence, KS

#4 Feb 14, 2013
WOW wrote:
Want to see one reason this place keeps getting worse and worse and worse when it comes to the city having enough money and raising our taxes? Go to the Montgomery County Appraiser's website and do a public parcel search. When you get to the screen that shows "Owner's Name" at the top, type in "Independence, City of."
Take a look at all the property the city owns (dozens and dozens)and the amount of property taxes it pays on all those properties ($0). Some of these are buildings used by the city but a lot of them are probably housing authority homes. If all the land and all the houses that are owned by the housing authority were owned by private people, those private people would have to pay property taxes on them that would help add to the bank accounts of the city, county, etc.(otherwise us). Wouldn't it make sense to stop taking property off the tax rolls by buying them for the housing authority, for rental properties and other great causes? Just look at how much the place behind Auto Zone appraised for and how much we could have collected in taxes for years IF the city hadn't bought it, torn part of it down, and gotten a tax exemption on the rest.(There was one local businessman who was interested in buying the church, but the city got first shot at it and bought it.) It's crazy they keep raising our taxes while at the same time taking millions of dollars of property off the tax rolls. Does anyone understand how this makes sense? Please don't tell me we are doing it so we can have plenty of homes for everyone. Everyone would have plenty of homes if everyone did like most of us do, WORK FOR WHAT WE HAVE.
How could the city buying the church made any difference Einstein? Churches are tax exempt!
Abe Lincoln

Coffeyville, KS

#5 Feb 15, 2013
George W. Obama
saint

Independence, KS

#6 Feb 15, 2013
shutyoumouf wrote:
<quoted text>How could the city buying the church made any difference Einstein? Churches are tax exempt!
It ceased to be a church building when the city bought it, dumb*ss.
WOW

Independence, KS

#7 Feb 15, 2013
shutyoumouf wrote:
<quoted text>How could the city buying the church made any difference Einstein? Churches are tax exempt!
The church's valuation by itself was $175,000.If the business owner bought it and used it for offices they would have had to pay property taxes on that $175,000. Do the math and it would have been a lot, but now the church is gone we'll never have a shot at getting those taxes to add to the community's bank account. By the way, before you question my intelligence I think you need to check your own. You're not as smart as you think.
Old Timer

Seattle, WA

#8 Feb 15, 2013
WOW wrote:
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The church's valuation by itself was $175,000.If the business owner bought it and used it for offices they would have had to pay property taxes on that $175,000. Do the math and it would have been a lot, but now the church is gone we'll never have a shot at getting those taxes to add to the community's bank account. By the way, before you question my intelligence I think you need to check your own. You're not as smart as you think.
I do not believe the economy in Independence is such that you have to think a new business will be coming into town to move into a building assessed at $175,000. Most of the buildings in downtown are in very poor condition. I don't condone the city buying up all of these properties. However, do not kid yourself, there is not going to be an avalanche of people or companies coming to Independence or the area for that matter to do business. At least not in my opinion. Sorry, to be glum but you aren't in an area of economic prosperity. The time for good management of the City of Independence is passed.
shutyoumouf

Independence, KS

#9 Feb 15, 2013
WOW wrote:
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The church's valuation by itself was $175,000.If the business owner bought it and used it for offices they would have had to pay property taxes on that $175,000. Do the math and it would have been a lot, but now the church is gone we'll never have a shot at getting those taxes to add to the community's bank account. By the way, before you question my intelligence I think you need to check your own. You're not as smart as you think.
If if if if, innuendo, rumor, half truth, speculation to feed your gossip mongering. Your words spoken define your character! I'm not questioning your intelligence, you did!
WOW

Independence, KS

#10 Feb 15, 2013
shutyoumouf wrote:
<quoted text>If if if if, innuendo, rumor, half truth, speculation to feed your gossip mongering. Your words spoken define your character! I'm not questioning your intelligence, you did!
If the business man HIMSELF who has an existing business in Independence told me he had considered buying it for offices for him and to rent to others, but the city beat him to the buy, it is not innuendo, rumor, half truth, speculation or gossip mongering. It is words straight from the horse's (business owner's) mouth and he said the same thing to other people well. You have a terrible habit of falsely characterizing people and events you know absolutely nothing about. My suggestion would be for you to "shut your mouth" and put your brain in gear before you open your stupid trap again.
reasoning with fools

Coffeyville, KS

#11 Feb 15, 2013
Old Timer wrote:
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I do not believe the economy in Independence is such that you have to think a new business will be coming into town to move into a building assessed at $175,000. Most of the buildings in downtown are in very poor condition. I don't condone the city buying up all of these properties. However, do not kid yourself, there is not going to be an avalanche of people or companies coming to Independence or the area for that matter to do business. At least not in my opinion. Sorry, to be glum but you aren't in an area of economic prosperity. The time for good management of the City of Independence is passed.
It is not just the city but the county, and state, in general that seem to be doing everything they can to not attract business or new citizens to the area.
The "tax" situation going on with the refinery are going to hurt this state and most of all Montgomery County one way or another. They are either going to raise taxes and the way they tax the business' or they are going to raise our property tax alot more. The accessor screwed up when they decided on their own they could tax the refinery different for property tax than ANY other business in the state and then when the refinery fought it they decided to just try to get away with taxing ALL business' the same way they wrongly taxed the refinery. Now if they decide to tax business' for all their equipment like it's all seperate property (each piece of equipment), then the few business' we have are likely to run like hell across the state line. It's actually a very good business idea....for Oklahoma's economy! And if they don't get away with taxing business the way they want then it's our property tax that will go up. So you can expect all sorts of ads and bs telling us how we should all vote to have them sock it to the big business man so our property tax won't go up (which you know it will anyway, it will just be sold as for a different reason). Now if we all decide we would rather them hit the business' with the taxes we can expect them to take their business elsewhere, who could blame them, when you can relocate a few miles south and pay NO state tax at all and much lower tax rates on what you do pay why wouldn't they move? So it's either higher tax on our property or less business and less jobs then we have now. So either way the state of KS has figured out a way to screw us yet again. I know I would rather bite the bullet and pay higher property tax then lose our source of income all together but we can't afford the higher tax very easily considering we are being raped on it now and who the hell would buy in Montgomery County with our taxes now when they could live a few miles away and pay so much less?
Church Truths

Independence, KS

#12 Feb 15, 2013
Cowan found out the church and home were up for sale and told city.City quickly put together a deal with the Chamber to buy the properties for $100M ($50M each).City also agreed to let the church keep the ACs to use in their new building.

Business person referenced was going to have to arrange financing which would have taken time.He also wanted to keep the ACs since he was going to use the building.

Church went with city's offer since it was best for it.

Are a lot of buildings downtown but a lot of them in bad shape.The church facility would have needed less work which is why the business person was thinking about buying it.

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#13 Feb 15, 2013
Church Truths wrote:
Cowan found out the church and home were up for sale and told city.City quickly put together a deal with the Chamber to buy the properties for $100M ($50M each).City also agreed to let the church keep the ACs to use in their new building.
Business person referenced was going to have to arrange financing which would have taken time.He also wanted to keep the ACs since he was going to use the building.
Church went with city's offer since it was best for it.
Are a lot of buildings downtown but a lot of them in bad shape.The church facility would have needed less work which is why the business person was thinking about buying it.
How about $100K and $50K each? "M" in that context means millions of dollars...
Church Truths

Independence, KS

#14 Feb 15, 2013
Indy_Dick wrote:
<quoted text>How about $100K and $50K each? "M" in that context means millions of dollars...
M (Roman Numeral for 1,000) is used most frequently by banks and other financial institutions when referencing amounts of money. In this system, a million would be represented by MM (1,000, thousands).

K may represent 1,000 but not generally used in reference to money.
just saying

Wichita, KS

#15 Feb 15, 2013
Purchase price wasn't a total of $100,000 ($50,000 each) - both bought for $50,000.
Church Truths

Independence, KS

#16 Feb 15, 2013
just saying wrote:
Purchase price wasn't a total of $100,000 ($50,000 each)- both bought for $50,000.
You are 100% incorrect. The city contributed $50M and the Chamber contributed $50M (from the tourism tax) for a total of $100,000. Records will verify this.
valid question

Independence, KS

#17 Feb 15, 2013
The large portion of the properties listed are what was bought out after the flood and some that were old condemn buildings never reclaimed. Some farm ground out by Cessna. The Park, memorial hall. fail.
valid answer

Independence, KS

#18 Feb 15, 2013
valid question wrote:
The large portion of the properties listed are what was bought out after the flood and some that were old condemn buildings never reclaimed. Some farm ground out by Cessna. The Park, memorial hall. fail.
That may be true but if we had leaders on the ball they'd figure out something to do with those flood buyout properties to get them back on the tax rolls instead of letting them sit there doing nothing year after year.
Broke

Independence, KS

#19 Feb 15, 2013
Want a better reason? Try the $30+ million and the tax abatement given to Cessna today. Bonds that everyone of us are on the hook for now. No new jobs, just more money. Wonderful when you consider the number of people who work there that don't pay any taxes, or even shop in Indy because the live in OK.
shutyoumouf

Independence, KS

#20 Feb 15, 2013
valid answer wrote:
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That may be true but if we had leaders on the ball they'd figure out something to do with those flood buyout properties to get them back on the tax rolls instead of letting them sit there doing nothing year after year.
Can't do anything with the property, was part of the buyout rules. Land can only ever be used for parks or recreation, not habitable. Learn, then speak!

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