I'm going to donate to the Republican Party anonymously from now on....

[wally515]

Jim wrote:

Ever since I started donating to Republican candidates and PACs I get the most random email and snail mail. I got a brochure today from a militia group in North Carolina who wants to hole up on a farm and stop paying income taxes. I realize they all sell donor lists to each other but I can't get behind an armed revolution. It's just not practical.

Tell that to the Egyptians, Libyans, Syrians,....if the GOP doesnt get it RIGHT this time around then we have a good chance of the same bloodshed coming to our Nation.
We are going to have to decide for ourselves if our Constitution is worth defending. There are those in our government that believe it is an outdated document and a mere "hinderance" to their socialist agenda.
I for one will continue being a thorn openly as I dont do so well "hole up on a farm". I chose to PARTICIPATE instead of the only other choice left when voting no longer works. We are closer now than ever to reaching that point.

[Just saying]

Morning, Wally.

Buddy says, "Hi".

[wally515]

Just saying wrote:

Morning, Wally.
Buddy says, "Hi".

hi back to you buddy. hope all is well and the house search is going good.

[Bob G]

wally515 wrote:

<quoted text>Tell that to the Egyptians, Libyans, Syrians,....if the GOP doesnt get it RIGHT this time around then we have a good chance of the same bloodshed coming to our Nation.
We are going to have to decide for ourselves if our Constitution is worth defending. There are those in our government that believe it is an outdated document and a mere "hinderance" to their socialist agenda.
I for one will continue being a thorn openly as I dont do so well "hole up on a farm". I chose to PARTICIPATE instead of the only other choice left when voting no longer works. We are closer now than ever to reaching that point.

I really want to comment but I'd like to give you the chance to expand and clarify your comments before I do.

[wally515]

Bob G wrote:

<quoted text>I really want to comment but I'd like to give you the chance to expand and clarify your comments before I do.

exactly which area of my comments would you like for me to clarify? I have been known to be long winded and opinionated. I love to share my opinion so please explain what exactly do you wish for me to expand on? this whole subject is deep and for me detailed. from militia, GOP, hole up on the farm, being a thorn, participating....let me know and i will provide you fodder for discussion

[Bob G]

Bob G wrote:

<quoted text>I really want to comment but I'd like to give you the chance to expand and clarify your comments before I do.

Sounds like your advocating violence if the voting booth doesn't work. If I misunderstand that, then I apologize. If not, sounds ironic coming from someone who felt threatened a month ago.

[wally515]

Bob G wrote:

<quoted text>Sounds like your advocating violence if the voting booth doesn't work. If I misunderstand that, then I apologize. If not, sounds ironic coming from someone who felt threatened a month ago.

I would NEVER intentionally advocate committing a CRIME. However, there is a time and place for everything. Our first revolution that handed us our first taste of true freedom was a result of spilled blood of PATRIOTS. Above, I used Egypt, Libya, and now Syria as examples of current day blood being spilt because others who desire true freedom have given up on the "established" methods and demanded their own liberty. We as FREE men and women may be called to do the same right here in the U.S. if our government does not stop thumbing their nose at our founding document enumerating specifically those liberties. Not sure about your comment on me feeling threatened....but to be clear, I do not allow myself to be bullied by anyone and when someone ASSumes they can, I address it directly or indirectly depending on the issue. I live my beliefs and believe every person is allowed their own desires and destiny as long as it does not affect my home or my family's well being. then it requires intervention of some sort.

[wally515]

cont....as I stated in my first post...I chose to live OPENLY and be a thorn in the sides of those who either do not know the words or intent of the Constitution or openly appose liberty by personally participating in my local and State government

[Bob G]

wally515 wrote:

<quoted text>I would NEVER intentionally advocate committing a CRIME. However, there is a time and place for everything. Our first revolution that handed us our first taste of true freedom was a result of spilled blood of PATRIOTS. Above, I used Egypt, Libya, and now Syria as examples of current day blood being spilt because others who desire true freedom have given up on the "established" methods and demanded their own liberty. We as FREE men and women may be called to do the same right here in the U.S. if our government does not stop thumbing their nose at our founding document enumerating specifically those liberties. Not sure about your comment on me feeling threatened....but to be clear, I do not allow myself to be bullied by anyone and when someone ASSumes they can, I address it directly or indirectly depending on the issue. I live my beliefs and believe every person is allowed their own desires and destiny as long as it does not affect my home or my family's well being. then it requires intervention of some sort.

You were all up in arms (no pun intended) because you perceived that someone was threatening to stick a gun where it doesn't belong. While I don't agree with that sentiment, I do think that the person stating that was just blowing smoke. But I can understand your concern with that.

That said, I guess I just don't see all these rights being violated, frankly by either party (the left seems to think that their rights are infringed upon too). Your comment about being bullied is interesting. A lot of inner city gangs tend to adopt that philosophy too, often with dire consequences. Guess I just believe that most of our problems can be solved peacefully and those that can't tend to remain hot topics for the masses.

[Bob G]

Jim wrote:

Ever since I started donating to Republican candidates and PACs I get the most random email and snail mail. I got a brochure today from a militia group in North Carolina who wants to hole up on a farm and stop paying income taxes. I realize they all sell donor lists to each other but I can't get behind an armed revolution. It's just not practical.

Oh and all apologies to Jim for starting the serious discourse on one of his "windies".

[civil war]

Wally is right. If the GOP controls everything then there will be civil war when the safety nets are eliminated to give tax breaks to the rich. Imagine no social security, no Medicare, totally unregulated financial sector cleaning out regular Americans while the bankers get rich, health care only for the rich. Kansas has already begun its "experiment" as described by our Governor. Virgil Peck will be hunting Americans from his helicopter, not just them aliens. It is not going to be pretty.

On the other hand, if the democrats control everything then the rich will leave the US and things will deteriorate just as badly. No one to pay for the social programs. Will end up in the same place without the bloodshed. Again, not pretty.

In the old days there was what was called bipartisanship and reasonable compromise so that rigid ideology did not lead to ruin for our nation. The parties actually worked together to find solutions rather than obstruct each other at every turn. We are at a crossroads. Right, left, or the middle?????

[wally515]

Jim wrote:

<quoted text>
No worries. I was waiting on the person that I could call a Ron Paul Zombie.

not so much of a zombie but i like alot of what he says and stands for. i dont think he would last long before he was assasinated because those with unconstituional power would be directly threatened. like say the FED.RESERVE....committing to war without congress....i could go on and on

[wally515]

civil war wrote:

Wally is right. If the GOP controls everything then there will be civil war when the safety nets are eliminated to give tax breaks to the rich. Imagine no social security, no Medicare, totally unregulated financial sector cleaning out regular Americans while the bankers get rich, health care only for the rich. Kansas has already begun its "experiment" as described by our Governor. Virgil Peck will be hunting Americans from his helicopter, not just them aliens. It is not going to be pretty.
On the other hand, if the democrats control everything then the rich will leave the US and things will deteriorate just as badly. No one to pay for the social programs. Will end up in the same place without the bloodshed. Again, not pretty.
In the old days there was what was called bipartisanship and reasonable compromise so that rigid ideology did not lead to ruin for our nation. The parties actually worked together to find solutions rather than obstruct each other at every turn. We are at a crossroads. Right, left, or the middle?????

i will be the first one to admit my views are extreme right but i AM willing to go to the middle when it does not violate my core beliefs.but as a TEA party believer, i believe the FED.gvt has gotten way too big and most of the departments are illegal. the whole DC beltline is out of touch with the FUNDAMENTAL purpose they serve.

[Just saying]

civil war wrote:

Wally is right. If the GOP controls everything then there will be civil war when the safety nets are eliminated to give tax breaks to the rich. Imagine no social security, no Medicare, totally unregulated financial sector cleaning out regular Americans while the bankers get rich, health care only for the rich. Kansas has already begun its "experiment" as described by our Governor. Virgil Peck will be hunting Americans from his helicopter, not just them aliens. It is not going to be pretty.

cibil war = What you have written about the GOP is simply the talking points of the Democrats. You have regurgitated the scare tacticts that the Dems what Americans to believe - without fact or substantiation.

Have you actually read the Ryan Plan and understood all of its components? Have you even questioned the "land mines" and pit falls in the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare)? They are many and devistating.

Just because something looks pretty and shiney on the outside does not mean that it whorth having.

I do NOT ask you to take the Conservative view on blind faith. Blind faith is the hope of the Left. Read COMPLETELY for your self and then use your best judgement.

Do NOT let others do your actual thinking for you and then repeat something you heard because you think it sounded good.

[Just saying]

ciVil war - Please excuse the misspelling of your sobriquet.

[Civil war]

I am not taking either side. I am sick of the extreme partisanship and do nothing government caused by those on the extreme on both sides. Take Obamacare for example. The health care system is broken. Costs are out of control and millions more each year are priced out of coverage. Those of us with coverage are paying now for the ever growing numbers with no coverage. There has to be a better way. Is it Obamacare? Who knows, but at least that was an attempt to deal with the problem. There are many parts of it that the GOP has endorsed and supported in the past. Why can't they support those parts now and seek to improve what needs improving? Instead, they announced several years ago that their number one priority was to see Obama have only one term, and they have been obstructing ever since. The democrats are just as bad when the GOP has a good idea they just do everything they can to block it. This is nuts and no way to run a country. It is NOT all or nothing. The fact is that both parties have some good ideas and they need to work together to implement those rather than hang out on the fringes. The fiscal problems we face are huge. Every independent expert agrees that we will not solve our financial woes without pain for all, not just the rich or the poor. It is going to take a combination of spending cuts and tax increases to get the problem fixed and the fix is long term. The idea that the rich should pay less is just as absurd as the idea that we can keep expanding the entitlements forever. It used to be that Americans worked together towards a common goal and sacrificed together. Now it is every man for himself and to heck with anyone else but me. We are doomed as a civilization if we don't figure it out pretty soon.

[Obvious]

Civil war wrote:

I am not taking either side. I am sick of the extreme partisanship and do nothing government caused by those on the extreme on both sides. Take Obamacare for example. The health care system is broken. Costs are out of control and millions more each year are priced out of coverage. Those of us with coverage are paying now for the ever growing numbers with no coverage. There has to be a better way. Is it Obamacare? Who knows, but at least that was an attempt to deal with the problem. There are many parts of it that the GOP has endorsed and supported in the past. Why can't they support those parts now and seek to improve what needs improving? Instead, they announced several years ago that their number one priority was to see Obama have only one term, and they have been obstructing ever since. The democrats are just as bad when the GOP has a good idea they just do everything they can to block it. This is nuts and no way to run a country. It is NOT all or nothing. The fact is that both parties have some good ideas and they need to work together to implement those rather than hang out on the fringes. The fiscal problems we face are huge. Every independent expert agrees that we will not solve our financial woes without pain for all, not just the rich or the poor. It is going to take a combination of spending cuts and tax increases to get the problem fixed and the fix is long term. The idea that the rich should pay less is just as absurd as the idea that we can keep expanding the entitlements forever. It used to be that Americans worked together towards a common goal and sacrificed together. Now it is every man for himself and to heck with anyone else but me. We are doomed as a civilization if we don't figure it out pretty soon.

I agree with the above post completely. Unfortunately, the same situation is here in Kansas. Gov. Brownback has his agenda, bought and paid for my the Koch Brothers, and the Democrats do not have the votes to do much except to block or slow down the radical right. We need common sense Republicans and Democrats who will work across the aisle. unfortunately for all Kansans this does not exist in Kansas. When a major Southeast Kansas construction company pledges $100,000 to defeat a fellow Repubican because this person is not "right" enough, we need to clean out both parties.

[wally515]

Obvious wrote:

<quoted text>
I agree with the above post completely. Unfortunately, the same situation is here in Kansas. Gov. Brownback has his agenda, bought and paid for my the Koch Brothers, and the Democrats do not have the votes to do much except to block or slow down the radical right. We need common sense Republicans and Democrats who will work across the aisle. unfortunately for all Kansans this does not exist in Kansas. When a major Southeast Kansas construction company pledges $100,000 to defeat a fellow Repubican because this person is not "right" enough, we need to clean out both parties.

Then VOTE for Jeff King and Jim Kelley because NEITHER are FAR RIGHT. Both are grounded firmly in the MIDDLE. See ya at the ICC event. See, even this right wing can come to the middle if it does not compramise my core values. I can affirm they tolerate me but do not share all my views. We agree on enough for me to back them.

[Civil War]

I like and support both Jeff and Jim. I don't agree with them 100% of the time, but most of the time. There will never be an elected official that I would agree with all of the time.