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Aransas Pass, TX

#41 Sep 7, 2012
wally515 wrote:
<quoted text>there are other greenery options that are MUCH more inexpensive and less intrusive. shrubery comes to mind.
Shrubs and potted plants are far more labor intensive and will die without proper care. If City Manager Webb let several expensive trees downtown die due to lack of water, shrubs and potted plants wouldn't stand a chance. You might as flush money down the drain.
Question

Aransas Pass, TX

#42 Sep 7, 2012
McMolly wrote:
I have posted this before. If people want change. Cut back on expenses and someone to listen to the peoples voice and react, you need to elect someone who is in tune with the people. You need to use your energy to find someone to represent your voice and not use it wastefully on this website complaining. If you want to take the town back, become active. Find a candidate and help him or her get elected. I think that one seat is up for grabs and the vote is still 2-1 along current lines. Change will be gradual.
Look up the town of McPherson Kansas, we can be just like them if we wanted to.
Your suggestions for candidates are?
sportsman

Coffeyville, KS

#43 Sep 7, 2012
Question wrote:
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Your suggestions for candidates are?
Paul Sasse, because I want to watch him and Micky b*tch-slap each other.
watching

Independence, KS

#44 Sep 7, 2012
Thanks wrote:
I would like to thank the ICC board for voting down the housing and Montgomery County for finally taking care of the McCleary problem. Now if the county will take care of a few others up there, it will save some money. If they aren't doing their job, get rid of them. You were voted in to make the changes that are needed. You pay taxes and you know what needs to be done. As for the City of Independence, you don't have a clue. Independence School board isn't much better.
when you mention people not doing their job, for some reason the name jim wright from mg county comes to mind a lot.
Who

Wichita, KS

#45 Sep 8, 2012
Who is that and what do they do?
thinking

Wichita, KS

#46 Sep 8, 2012
Zeke wrote:
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I guarantee it costs more than $16.00 for trash removal twice a week. I also agree that once a week for residential pick up would save time and money. That time could be used to do other things that need doing around town. I am sure there are plenty of jobs that they can be doing here.
I can only imagine the piles of trash my neighbors would have set out then...
McMolly

United States

#47 Sep 9, 2012
Thanks wrote:
I would like to thank the ICC board for voting down the housing and Montgomery County for finally taking care of the McCleary problem. Now if the county will take care of a few others up there, it will save some money. If they aren't doing their job, get rid of them. You were voted in to make the changes that are needed. You pay taxes and you know what needs to be done. As for the City of Independence, you don't have a clue. Independence School board isn't much better.
The ICC board did not impact the housing question. No money was going to be used from the school. all the vote did is say they were not in favor of the program. Ant intelligent person would be against it. And as it was it was not unanimous so there are people on the board who were afraid to vote or in favor of the project. What does that say?
Melissa

Gainesville, TX

#48 Sep 9, 2012
Yea wrote:
Buying buildings with taxes to let them set. We are not in the real estate business.
Get rid of one of the Jr. Colleges and save everybody a lot of money....Montgomery co. Does not need 2....,,cannot Montgomery co. Leaders understand this? Look at all the homes for sale and the people wanting to move.....listen to the people

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#49 Sep 9, 2012
Melissa wrote:
<quoted text>Get rid of one of the Jr. Colleges and save everybody a lot of money....Montgomery co. Does not need 2....,,cannot Montgomery co. Leaders understand this? Look at all the homes for sale and the people wanting to move.....listen to the people
This has been debated on Topix many times. Tell us Oh Wise One, which city would have to take the economic heat of the closing of one of the colleges? Neither can afford to lose the employment that each college offers or the money spent in the local economy that the staff or students spend. The time for closing one or the other college was in the 1960's before either college had invested large sums of money in their respective campuses. Both colleges provide needed academic and vocational training for those who can't afford to go to a four year school. These people will be more likely to locate here and pay taxes here than some one who graduates from a four year school and moves away to find a job that isn't here. The south half of the county supports the college in Coffeyville with its taxes and the north half of the county supports the college in Independence with its taxes; unless you own property in both halves of the county, you are only paying taxes for the support of ONE college.

Yes, they could merge and retain both campuses and save some money on administrative expenses, but that would be up to the Trustees of both colleges and I don't see them talking to each other right now...

It is real easy to sit behind a computer and say close one of the colleges, but the economic impact to the city that loses the college would be a serious blow.

Industry tends to locate where educatonal and training opportunities are present. Would either city want to lose that opportunity? I doubt it.

Support your local college. The bucks it costs to run it pay the community back threefold... and they don't go to Pittsburg, Lawrence or Manhattan. Both Coffeyville and Independence need all of the economic help they can get. Losing one or the other college will not help the economy in Montgomery County.

Having two colleges in this county is not the reason people are leaving this county. It is a lack of job opportunities...and opportunity comes to those who prepare for it with job training programs. Community colleges do this and do it at a much more reasonable cost than 2 years of training at a four year college.
watching

Independence, KS

#50 Sep 9, 2012
Who wrote:
Who is that and what do they do?
he is the counties assistant public works leader. i dont know what he does, not sure anyone else does either other than drawing a salary.
wally515

Parsons, KS

#51 Sep 10, 2012
Indy_Dick wrote:
<quoted text>This has been debated on Topix many times. Tell us Oh Wise One, which city would have to take the economic heat of the closing of one of the colleges? Neither can afford to lose the employment that each college offers or the money spent in the local economy that the staff or students spend. The time for closing one or the other college was in the 1960's before either college had invested large sums of money in their respective campuses. Both colleges provide needed academic and vocational training for those who can't afford to go to a four year school. These people will be more likely to locate here and pay taxes here than some one who graduates from a four year school and moves away to find a job that isn't here. The south half of the county supports the college in Coffeyville with its taxes and the north half of the county supports the college in Independence with its taxes; unless you own property in both halves of the county, you are only paying taxes for the support of ONE college.
Yes, they could merge and retain both campuses and save some money on administrative expenses, but that would be up to the Trustees of both colleges and I don't see them talking to each other right now...
It is real easy to sit behind a computer and say close one of the colleges, but the economic impact to the city that loses the college would be a serious blow.
Industry tends to locate where educatonal and training opportunities are present. Would either city want to lose that opportunity? I doubt it.
Support your local college. The bucks it costs to run it pay the community back threefold... and they don't go to Pittsburg, Lawrence or Manhattan. Both Coffeyville and Independence need all of the economic help they can get. Losing one or the other college will not help the economy in Montgomery County.
Having two colleges in this county is not the reason people are leaving this county. It is a lack of job opportunities...and opportunity comes to those who prepare for it with job training programs. Community colleges do this and do it at a much more reasonable cost than 2 years of training at a four year college.
as one who faced this heated discussion in person and by BOTH boards of trustees and was the recipient of many threats in the process, I can say INDY DICK is 100% correct on this one. However, there is ANOTHER WAY. We could share the burden of SECONDARY EDUCATION with the rest of the State property owners if we had legislation that allowed for ALL SECONDARY EDUCATION to be taxed at the State level and managed by the Board of Regents, or the KSDE. My only struggle with this is it goes towards a "centralized government" system and away from local governing. Ideas are just that, a way to do things differently than they currently are being done. Your thoughts?
Whatever

Independence, KS

#52 Sep 10, 2012
Thank you for the intellegent conversation on both your parts Indy Dick and Wally

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#53 Sep 10, 2012
Whatever wrote:
Thank you for the intellegent conversation on both your parts Indy Dick and Wally
Wally and I try, but don't always get it accomplished! hehe

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#54 Sep 10, 2012
wally515 wrote:
<quoted text>as one who faced this heated discussion in person and by BOTH boards of trustees and was the recipient of many threats in the process, I can say INDY DICK is 100% correct on this one. However, there is ANOTHER WAY. We could share the burden of SECONDARY EDUCATION with the rest of the State property owners if we had legislation that allowed for ALL SECONDARY EDUCATION to be taxed at the State level and managed by the Board of Regents, or the KSDE. My only struggle with this is it goes towards a "centralized government" system and away from local governing. Ideas are just that, a way to do things differently than they currently are being done. Your thoughts?
Wally, I belive that the term you are wanting to use here is Post-Secondary Education. Secondary Education generally refers to high scool level education.

Oh, and PLEASE don't sic the Kansas Department of Education on the community colleges of Kansas. Currently they fall under the jurisdiction of the Kansas Board of Regents. While they kind of play second chair to the state four year colleges, at least they have someone in Topeka looking out for the community colleges. Under the Regents, it has become much easier to transfer credits between institutions.

I kind of like the idea of some support form the state level to relieve the property tax owner just a tad. The community college supported by just tuition and property taxes doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The whole community benefits from having a community college, not just property owners.

However, with the recent changes in taxation either all ready passed or proposed by our illustrious governor I don't see any funding coming from the state to help lower property taxes paid to support community colleges anytime soon.
wally515

Parsons, KS

#55 Sep 10, 2012
Indy_Dick wrote:
<quoted text>Wally, I belive that the term you are wanting to use here is Post-Secondary Education. Secondary Education generally refers to high scool level education.
Oh, and PLEASE don't sic the Kansas Department of Education on the community colleges of Kansas. Currently they fall under the jurisdiction of the Kansas Board of Regents. While they kind of play second chair to the state four year colleges, at least they have someone in Topeka looking out for the community colleges. Under the Regents, it has become much easier to transfer credits between institutions.
I kind of like the idea of some support form the state level to relieve the property tax owner just a tad. The community college supported by just tuition and property taxes doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The whole community benefits from having a community college, not just property owners.
However, with the recent changes in taxation either all ready passed or proposed by our illustrious governor I don't see any funding coming from the state to help lower property taxes paid to support community colleges anytime soon.
well, maybe we aught to STOP funding all education past the 8-9th grade and take those TAX dollars and fund vocational or "POST-SECONDARY" education. If we have HS kids taking college level courses already then we are WASTING it on those who do not desire to pursue higher education by those students in the 9-12 grade levels anyway. The Amish go to 8th grade and function fine. FACE IT, not all our kids are destined for POST SECONDARY educations anyway. At least if they continue on in a SECONDARY education it will be at their own desire and they will get what they PAY FOR instead of us forcing the many to continue to waste our time and theirs. I say put them in the work force after 8th grade and let those willing and able continue their education process. it would be a big boom for our vocational trade schools which would feed a industrial revolution which we earnestly need if we are to regain our status as world leaders. i find it frustrating that we spend so much money on programs and THINGS that have absolutely NOTHING to do with EDUCATION. Public school would be much more effecient if they STOPPED manipulating social issues and focused on EDUCATION that mattered. We need to push our kids who have ambition to achieve it though POST-SECONDARY albiet our TWO community colleges. and we dont need some multi million dollar stadium used once a week for 13 weeks to achieve that either.
SEKGuy

United States

#56 Sep 10, 2012
The county could save a boat load of money by paying Charlotte what she's worth.
new guy in town

United States

#57 Sep 10, 2012
SEKGuy wrote:
The county could save a boat load of money by paying Charlotte what she's worth.
please elaborate on your statement. How is it possible that if you paid Charlotte more money she would do a better job at saving us money. I am confused.

Thank you

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#58 Sep 10, 2012
new guy in town wrote:
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please elaborate on your statement. How is it possible that if you paid Charlotte more money she would do a better job at saving us money. I am confused.
Thank you
The statement was "pay her what she is worth", not pay her "more money". It is a left-handed way of saying that she should be paid less and was said sarcasticly. There is a perception by some that Charlotte is so busy manipulating the other departments of the county that she can't operate her own effectively.

I hope this helps you understand the comment better.

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