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#41 Jul 23, 2012
mrssandman wrote:
A very, very, very mentally ill human being. So sad he never saught treatment before it was to late. Yet another brilliant human mind brought down by mental ilness. Very sad. I of course don't in any way think what he did was right. But people who do these things are suffering from a severe mental illness. I hope through this he can get the rehabilitation he needs. My thoughts go out to the victims who lost lives and the loved ones they left behind.
This guy was not mentally ill, he was evil. He needs to be tortured not physically, but mentally 24/7 for 3-5 years the same thing his victim's families and friends are going to go through, and then jail until he dies. In the case he is mentally ill he would not know he was being tortured.
Nuts

Aransas Pass, TX

#42 Jul 23, 2012
I Think sometimes certain people are so brilliant that they are actually NUTS. Beyond brilliant , & can't handle it..
The other side

Aransas Pass, TX

#43 Jul 23, 2012
Katniss258 wrote:
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Ok, can't resist this one. Lol, Tim McVeigh's whole purpose in life was for guns and the freedom to buy and own them. Read up on the subject. He was driven by that. It was the core reason he even blew up that building.
And I'd rather give up my liberty and my safety if it would bring that little girl who was killed at the movie back into the world.'Nuff said.
Sorry, but you're wrong again. Tim McVeigh carried out the bombing because he believed we were on the verge of revolution, and believed it would happen through a race-war. In his twisted mind he wanted to be a catalyst in that, as he had ties to White Power groups. He didn't carry out the attack to preserve his gun rights. That's probably the craziest thing I've ever heard, honestly. I think the other poster was trying to point out that he (McVeigh) didn't need guns to cause that type of madness, and death. Gun-control proponents seem to think that if guns are banned, then magically murders just stop altogether. That's far from the truth.
NRA

Coffeyville, KS

#44 Jul 24, 2012
The other side wrote:
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Sorry, but you're wrong again. Tim McVeigh carried out the bombing because he believed we were on the verge of revolution, and believed it would happen through a race-war. In his twisted mind he wanted to be a catalyst in that, as he had ties to White Power groups. He didn't carry out the attack to preserve his gun rights. That's probably the craziest thing I've ever heard, honestly. I think the other poster was trying to point out that he (McVeigh) didn't need guns to cause that type of madness, and death. Gun-control proponents seem to think that if guns are banned, then magically murders just stop altogether. That's far from the truth.
Yeah his counter point to "Tim McVeigh" was week. The person did not speak to McVeighs motives (everyone knows he was a gun nut), his point was that McVeigh slaughtered 160 people and did not use a gun to do it. Furthermore, the guy in Norway killed 70 last year in a country with massive Gun Laws. Chicago and DC have the toughest gun laws in the nation - go check out their sky high murder rate. Drugs are illegal - how is that working? Does not matter what side of the isle you are on, the whole "if we make guns illegal we will all be safe" is just simplistic. Too much evidence to the contrary. Deranged and determined people will find a way to kill others - happened before guns and will happen without them.

Since: May 12

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#45 Jul 24, 2012
The other side wrote:
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Sorry, but you're wrong again. Tim McVeigh carried out the bombing because he believed we were on the verge of revolution, and believed it would happen through a race-war. In his twisted mind he wanted to be a catalyst in that, as he had ties to White Power groups. He didn't carry out the attack to preserve his gun rights. That's probably the craziest thing I've ever heard, honestly. I think the other poster was trying to point out that he (McVeigh) didn't need guns to cause that type of madness, and death. Gun-control proponents seem to think that if guns are banned, then magically murders just stop altogether. That's far from the truth.
I never said he was trying to preserve HIS gun rights. He was trying to preserve OUR gun rights and keep the gov't out of them.
In "American Terrorist" by Lou Michel and "Apocalypse in Oklahoma: Waco and Ruby Ridge revenged" by Mark S. Hamm (both books at the Independence Public Library), McVeigh was an avid gun-enthusiast, owning many himself. He became angry at the gov't when the Ruby Ridge incident happened, believing that people should be able to own any amount of guns they want and that the gov't should leave them alone about it. When the Waco incident happened, he became angrier. He began formulating a plan that he hoped would call attention to what he saw were injustices against the American people, his goal being to change the laws about how much involvement the gov't could have concerning gun-ownership. No where (in those 2 books anyway) is there any mention of him thinking there was going to be a revolution. If what I said is the craziest thing you've ever heard, take it up with the two authors.
He may not have used a gun to achieve his goal, but it was all about guns and gun rights and the gov't, which doesn't make him a very good example for your cause.
What's always angered me about the Tim McVeigh thing is that McVeigh's plan worked! Right after the OK bombing, they quietly changed the laws limiting the gov't involvement so that Ruby Ridge and Waco could never happen again, which was exactly what McVeigh wanted. So I guess to some people who like to stockpile an arsenal, he's a hero!
et one

Elk Falls, KS

#46 Jul 24, 2012
Katniss258 wrote:
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Ok, can't resist this one. Lol, Tim McVeigh's whole purpose in life was for guns and the freedom to buy and own them. Read up on the subject. He was driven by that. It was the core reason he even blew up that building.
And I'd rather give up my liberty and my safety if it would bring that little girl who was killed at the movie back into the world.'Nuff said.
Then you sir, would likely be quite at home in the USSR, LIBIA, or any of the other worker's paradise's. this will be my last response to you as you are obviously a fool and a coward. You speak of happily giving up your liberty and your safety to bring back that little girl, how about your life?

Since: Jan 10

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#47 Jul 24, 2012
Katniss258 wrote:
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What's always angered me about the Tim McVeigh thing is that McVeigh's plan worked! Right after the OK bombing, they quietly changed the laws limiting the gov't involvement so that Ruby Ridge and Waco could never happen again, which was exactly what McVeigh wanted. So I guess to some people who like to stockpile an arsenal, he's a hero!
I beg to differ with your opinion on this one. NDAA 2012 and many other recent laws and Executive Orders have ENABLED the Federal Govt. to interfere with law abiding citizens.(TSA pat downs) We are RAPIDLY headed to a true police state because of those like you who feel the GVT. is here to help. Since you like to read, may I suggest the Federalist papers and yes...maybe even the Constitution? According to it, we are SUSPOSED to have a LIMITED gvt. If they are the only ones allowed to have guns then what kind of Nation will we be. If your views are what prevail then I hope there is someone out there ready to stand in front of a Tank when they are called to squash the next protest of civil rights violation like the guy with the brief case in china.
et one

Elk Falls, KS

#48 Jul 24, 2012
wally515 wrote:
<quoted text>I beg to differ with your opinion on this one. NDAA 2012 and many other recent laws and Executive Orders have ENABLED the Federal Govt. to interfere with law abiding citizens.(TSA pat downs) We are RAPIDLY headed to a true police state because of those like you who feel the GVT. is here to help. Since you like to read, may I suggest the Federalist papers and yes...maybe even the Constitution? According to it, we are SUSPOSED to have a LIMITED gvt. If they are the only ones allowed to have guns then what kind of Nation will we be. If your views are what prevail then I hope there is someone out there ready to stand in front of a Tank when they are called to squash the next protest of civil rights violation like the guy with the brief case in china.
Again, Wally, the big rock must be headed to earth...because we once again are in agreement. BTW..you might want to take a look at IS 907 at FEMA class called ACTIVE SHOOTER, How to help yourself and get some of that information. If they didn't think it important you can bet it wouldn't be in the course list!

I worry about the future of the nation with people who are willing to trade freedom, liberty and safety....they are lost before they begin. Personally, I hate the loss of that child; but I hate the loss of any person to a car wreck....however I don't see biggie brother trying to ban those...or 5 gallon buckets...more children are killed by drowning in those each year than by the nasty evil gun...simple fact...look it up or just look at the mandated warning on the side of a bucket.

As for the guy at Tienimin Square, he is still a wanted fugitive in China...

Since: May 12

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#49 Jul 24, 2012
Um ... why all the nastiness? I've been respectful of everyone's opinions. Some have been quite interesting. But now some of you are starting to froth at the mouth. I guess when you've run out of ammo, as it were, you revert to name-calling and rudeness. When that happens, I'm through.
My life for the little girl? Absolutely, without even having to think about it. She just learned how to swim this summer. Me? I've lived a full life, done many things she'll never get a chance to do now.
And I'm not a "sir". LOL

Since: Jun 12

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#50 Jul 24, 2012
et one

You are absolutely right to worry about the future of this nation. When we as a people call others on the opposite side of the aisle "enemies" and promote the continued polarization of the parties, I think we are headed downhill from there. What's sad is that when you talk about if anyone here in the U.S would stand in front of a tank for freedom, I don't think there would be a great deal of people who would die for their freedoms as so many before us did. We are quickly surrendering our freedoms because we no longer treasure nor value them in the manner that befits the sacrifice made for them. I fear the day when we lose our freedoms based upon outliar events like this shooting. It's been said that those who have tasted freedom and lost it, never get the chance to taste it again.

Since: May 12

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#51 Jul 24, 2012
And I fear for a nation of people who won't allow others express different opinions without put-downs, insults, name-calling, jeers, and taunts. Let's face it, THAT'S the beginning of a tyranny. You can't put one freedom, the right to bear arms, above another, the freedom of speech. No one should be afraid to express an opinion, not in here or anywhere.
Just because you like guns and the right to own them or fought for that one right does NOT make you a better person or American than me. Period.

Since: Jan 10

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#52 Jul 24, 2012
"THATS WHY IT'S CALLED THE AMERICAN DREAM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ASLEEP TO BELIEVE IT." This quote came from some one from South Africa. It is truly telling.

Since: Jun 12

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#53 Jul 24, 2012
Katniss258 wrote:
And I fear for a nation of people who won't allow others express different opinions without put-downs, insults, name-calling, jeers, and taunts. Let's face it, THAT'S the beginning of a tyranny. You can't put one freedom, the right to bear arms, above another, the freedom of speech. No one should be afraid to express an opinion, not in here or anywhere.
Just because you like guns and the right to own them or fought for that one right does NOT make you a better person or American than me. Period.
Absolutely right. All freedoms are equal and your opinion should always be yours and free to express whenever you please. And those who can't respect another's opinion no matter how differing, truly lacks the understanding of freedom.

The sad thing is, so many in our country today think that because you have a differing opinion, makes you an enemy. That is incredibly moronic and lacks the any shred of respect. The very freedom to disagree and still respect each other is what makes this country great. But for those of you who resort to name calling and ridicule because someone disagrees with your political ideology is a sad excuse for an American.

Look at the way so many news agencies slam conservative thinking, and conversely, the way conservatives bash liberal thinking. However, at least conservatives understand the need for the differences and actually respect the fact that there are differing views in our world.
aint happening

Jefferson City, MO

#54 Jul 24, 2012
Katniss258 wrote:
"The level of gun ownership world-wide is directly related to murder and suicide rates and specifically to the level of death by gunfire."
- International Correlation between gun ownership and rates of homicide and suicide.' Professor Martin Killias, May 1993.
When will people realize? LOOK at the statistics:
Gun deaths per 100,000 population:
United States - Homicide: 3.98; Suicide: 5.92; Other: 0.36
Australia - Homicide: 0.24; Suicide: 1.34; Other: 0.10
England/Wales - Homicide: 0.15 Suicide: 0.2; Other: 0.03
Gun control has worked in other countries, why not here? And we sure as heck don't need ASSAULT weapons!
Tell farmers and landowners they don't need to own rifles "assault weapons" . I bet you have some pissed off landowners wanting you to shut up. To put it nicely.
et one

Elk Falls, KS

#55 Jul 24, 2012
aint happening wrote:
<quoted text> Tell farmers and landowners they don't need to own rifles "assault weapons" . I bet you have some pissed off landowners wanting you to shut up. To put it nicely.
If gun control laws work so well would this guy like to explain Washington DC, New York City, San Francisco, London, Paris, and the list goes on and on and on?
wtf

Fort Riley, KS

#56 Jul 24, 2012
it dont take any trainning and you can go to the libary and learn to make a bom or just watch the news for awile they will show you look around its everywhere wake up people
Why

Aransas Pass, TX

#57 Jul 24, 2012
Was trying to figure out WHY would this idiot admit to the authority that His apartment was boobie-trapped & dangerous? Would have probably killed other people had the traps gone off/ Maybe he liked a few people in His building & thought they were O.K. sort of a change of heart. He isn't crazy, but burned out from being brilliant. Why the heck with the degrees He had & super smarts did he not have a decent job? Prayers to all the people they are going thru hell because of this JOKER.
CIA

Coffeyville, KS

#58 Jul 24, 2012
Why wrote:
Was trying to figure out WHY would this idiot admit to the authority that His apartment was boobie-trapped & dangerous? Would have probably killed other people had the traps gone off/ Maybe he liked a few people in His building & thought they were O.K. sort of a change of heart. He isn't crazy, but burned out from being brilliant. Why the heck with the degrees He had & super smarts did he not have a decent job? Prayers to all the people they are going thru hell because of this JOKER.
Mind Control man. He did top secret neurological research for the govt and was probably a CIA lab rat. Hell you can tell he was drugged up in court. He was probably supposed to off himself of get killed by the cops. Now they have to do some damage control so they are drugging him up good to make him seem like a crazy nut job. Patsy

Since: May 12

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#59 Jul 24, 2012
et one wrote:
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Then you sir, would likely be quite at home in the USSR, LIBIA, or any of the other worker's paradise's. this will be my last response to you as you are obviously a fool and a coward. You speak of happily giving up your liberty and your safety to bring back that little girl, how about your life?
Jim? Et One? Would you like to meet me at the little park at the corner of Edison St. and S. 10th tomorrow morning at 10:00 sharp and call me a coward to my face? Or is this one of those "spew any insult because I'm hiding behind my safe computer" things for you? How about it, "ET"? 10:00 a.m. good for you, or maybe sometime in the afternoon? Come on! You're not ... a coward ... are you?
et one

Elk Falls, KS

#60 Jul 24, 2012
1300 ok

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