Taxpayer

Chanute, KS

#1 Aug 12, 2012
According to today's paper, USD 446 and the USD 446 Foundation is going to throw a big "back to school party" in the park. Although we should hope it isn't costing taxpayers or contributors anything, it probably is. If it is, why is money being spent on this type of activity when so many people are struggling financially? Why do we always feel we need to provide entertainment at taxpayers' expense? Why can't the principal of each school hold an all-school "welcome back" meeting and activities at the school FOR FREE? Why doesn't the Foundation contribute the money it's spending on this event towards helping pay for clothing, shoes, school supplies, and fees for families who can't afford them? Maybe what we need on our boards are people struggling to get by. Maybe they would bring some common sense to the mix that would cut out all the wasteful spending.

If the event isn't costing much, we should have no problem with it. If it is, then we can only continue to shake our heads until the next school board election. This event may be a nice thing, but we've got to watch spending so we don't get another proposed tax rate (like the one the school board is already going to try to pass).
TheTruth

Independence, KS

#2 Aug 12, 2012
This back to school activity costs the taxpayer absolutely nothing. The education foundation pays for the hot dogs and other sack lunch things along with minimal donatio by the people attending. Yes, there is a lot of waste in 446, but this isn't one.
Charge

Derby, KS

#3 Aug 12, 2012
You buy the sack lunch for like a dollar.
Taxpayer

Chanute, KS

#4 Aug 12, 2012
$1.00 would not cover the ALL actual costs of contents of the sack lunch and there are always SOME costs to events like this.

Now, please answer the question about why the Foundation doesn't use that money in these tough times towards helping pay for clothing, shoes, school supplies, and fees for families who can't afford them? Wouldn't that make more sense then blowing it on more fun and games? How about making a nice donation to the "Stuff the Bus" campaign?
fanboy

Independence, KS

#5 Aug 12, 2012
There is a program that helps people buy clothing, shoes and supplies for people who can't afford them. It is called welfare. Given that over half of USD 446 students receive free or reduced lunches I am sure their parents are aware of this program as well.

There is no reason a hard working group support those efforts instead of doing something that is for the good of all the families of the district who want to attend.

Since: Aug 12

Independence, KS

#6 Aug 12, 2012
Maybe the event will raise awareness of the foundation, so it will raise money for the schools in the long run. I didnt even know there was a foundation, so it worked on me!
TheTruth

Independence, KS

#7 Aug 12, 2012
The foundation does provide for those kids who need help. Everything from clothes, to presciptions, to eye glasses, to whatever is needed. It does not publicize this because it is decided on the school level by the principals, the counselors, the office staff, all the school's employees. It is intended to help quietly and without fanfare. And yes, the Foundation picks up the extra costs for the sack lunches at the back to school activity. I am sorry, but can see nothing wrong in trying to build enthusiasm for the start of school. If you do, maybe you are the problem for some of the students.
Mont Blanc

Independence, KS

#8 Aug 12, 2012
TheTruth wrote:
The foundation does provide for those kids who need help. Everything from clothes, to presciptions, to eye glasses, to whatever is needed. It does not publicize this because it is decided on the school level by the principals, the counselors, the office staff, all the school's employees. It is intended to help quietly and without fanfare. And yes, the Foundation picks up the extra costs for the sack lunches at the back to school activity. I am sorry, but can see nothing wrong in trying to build enthusiasm for the start of school. If you do, maybe you are the problem for some of the students.
Good for them (the foundation) perhaps "Jim" can send in a few extra dollars he can afford it, I know he is rich!!
Taxpayer

Chanute, KS

#9 Aug 12, 2012
fanboy wrote:
There is a program that helps people buy clothing, shoes and supplies for people who can't afford them. It is called welfare. Given that over half of USD 446 students receive free or reduced lunches I am sure their parents are aware of this program as well.
There is no reason a hard working group support those efforts instead of doing something that is for the good of all the families of the district who want to attend.
Right now in our area, there are many, many families who don't qualify for welfare that are struggling. Many are struggling because one parent has lost a job. Most people living comfortably and easily paying their bills cannot imagine the number or ongoing strife of these families.

There is nothing wrong with building enthusiasm for the start of school, but since there are so many parents with children having a tough time, the money being spent on this event could be added to the money already being spent to help families, so they could be HELPED EVEN MORE.

We were raised to look for people worse off than we were and help them. If I had to choose between taking my child to some beginning-of-the-year party at the park, or telling my child there would be no such party because the money that would have been spent on the party was being used to help others, I would without hesitation choose the latter. I think it might teach them a lesson whose effects would last far longer and be far more meaningful than some party at the park.
Dumas detector

Wichita, KS

#10 Aug 12, 2012
Taxpayer wrote:
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Right now in our area, there are many, many families who don't qualify for welfare that are struggling. Many are struggling because one parent has lost a job. Most people living comfortably and easily paying their bills cannot imagine the number or ongoing strife of these families.
There is nothing wrong with building enthusiasm for the start of school, but since there are so many parents with children having a tough time, the money being spent on this event could be added to the money already being spent to help families, so they could be HELPED EVEN MORE.
We were raised to look for people worse off than we were and help them. If I had to choose between taking my child to some beginning-of-the-year party at the park, or telling my child there would be no such party because the money that would have been spent on the party was being used to help others, I would without hesitation choose the latter. I think it might teach them a lesson whose effects would last far longer and be far more meaningful than some party at the park.
So you obviously are very passionate about your displeasure of our school district holding this event. And the waste of money that it takes to generate it. So please enlighten us as to how much money is being spent on this event. I have to give you credit cause generally those that constantly scream about tax expenditures are only concerned about their own well-being (just my opinion but am pretty confident in that) but it is obvious that your concern is in everyone that is "struggling" to make ends meet and the potential burden that it puts on them to host this one event.
not so fast

Euless, TX

#11 Aug 12, 2012
Taxpayer wrote:
$1.00 would not cover the ALL actual costs of contents of the sack lunch and there are always SOME costs to events like this.

Now, please answer the question about why the Foundation doesn't use that money in these tough times towards helping pay for clothing, shoes, school supplies, and fees for families who can't afford them? Wouldn't that make more sense then blowing it on more fun and games? How about making a nice donation to the "Stuff the Bus" campaign?
once you start paying for students supplies etc parents will start to expect it. How about this - expect to pay for your own kids or DON'T have any!!!
TheTruth

Independence, KS

#12 Aug 13, 2012
not so fast wrote:
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once you start paying for students supplies etc parents will start to expect it. How about this - expect to pay for your own kids or DON'T have any!!!
This is a nice idea. It has a very serious flaw. The children did not ask to be born. So do we toss them out because the parents can't afford them. I don't believe this is what our country, our state, our community wants to be done.
Opinion

Chanute, KS

#13 Aug 13, 2012
not so fast wrote:
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once you start paying for students supplies etc parents will start to expect it. How about this - expect to pay for your own kids or DON'T have any!!!
I know families where one of the parents is unemployed. The reason they are having a hard time is they refuse to apply for welfare or other government programs. They want to teach their kids to stand on their own even when times are tough. I will agree many parents now expect us to support their kids, but the people who need help, but won't ask for it don't fall in that group.It would be nice if we could at least offer them help for the start of school until they get back on their feet again.
Free Lunches

Independence, KS

#14 Aug 13, 2012
There weren't so many kids on free or reduced price lunches until the schools started advertising it. The government mandated they had to do this back in the late 60's, early 70's. This is what happens when the government takes over anything. By mandating so many things and not providing the funding to do it, the schools have a difficult time keeping up with the expenditures. I agree that people shouldn't have kids unless they can afford them, but that said, I understand that sometimes you run into a rough spell and need a little help to get through it. Just don't make it a way of live.
Taxpayer

Chanute, KS

#15 Aug 13, 2012
Free Lunches wrote:
There weren't so many kids on free or reduced price lunches until the schools started advertising it. The government mandated they had to do this back in the late 60's, early 70's. This is what happens when the government takes over anything. By mandating so many things and not providing the funding to do it, the schools have a difficult time keeping up with the expenditures. I agree that people shouldn't have kids unless they can afford them, but that said, I understand that sometimes you run into a rough spell and need a little help to get through it. Just don't make it a way of live.
If you want to see 98% waste, go to any elementary school and see how much PERFECTLY GOOD FOOD is thrown away by students on free or reduced lunches. It's a crime and we're paying to help commit it. Why not sell the food thrown away to some pig farmer? At least we'd be getting some money back.
Question

Chanute, KS

#16 Aug 13, 2012
Dumas detector wrote:
<quoted text>So you obviously are very passionate about your displeasure of our school district holding this event. And the waste of money that it takes to generate it. So please enlighten us as to how much money is being spent on this event. I have to give you credit cause generally those that constantly scream about tax expenditures are only concerned about their own well-being (just my opinion but am pretty confident in that) but it is obvious that your concern is in everyone that is "struggling" to make ends meet and the potential burden that it puts on them to host this one event.
Would a foundation like the USD 446 one have to share info about money it spent on this event or would it be private info?
look dummy

Independence, KS

#17 Aug 13, 2012
Dumas detector wrote:
<quoted text>So you obviously are very passionate about your displeasure of our school district holding this event. And the waste of money that it takes to generate it. So please enlighten us as to how much money is being spent on this event. I have to give you credit cause generally those that constantly scream about tax expenditures are only concerned about their own well-being (just my opinion but am pretty confident in that) but it is obvious that your concern is in everyone that is "struggling" to make ends meet and the potential burden that it puts on them to host this one event.
Aren't most people concerned about their own well being? What does well being have to do with concern over wasteful spending? Wouldn't that be more of a financial concern?
Dumas detector

Wichita, KS

#18 Aug 13, 2012
look dummy wrote:
<quoted text>Aren't most people concerned about their own well being? What does well being have to do with concern over wasteful spending? Wouldn't that be more of a financial concern?
I think everyone is and should be concerned about their own well being. I also believe that some people are ultimately so concerned with their own well being that this concern trumps any consideration over what is right or even fair for others around them (family, neighbors, fellow citizens of their community....).
Dumas detector

Wichita, KS

#19 Aug 13, 2012
Question wrote:
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Would a foundation like the USD 446 one have to share info about money it spent on this event or would it be private info?
Probably not. But I imagine the ultimate concern is how much taxpayer dollars are being spent on this event.

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