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woo

Independence, KS

#1 Sep 3, 2012
"Unwanted growth" sprayed with herbicides along the one way! Whole areas "burned" with the chemical spray.
Next comes the erosion.
Doesn't anyone realize that spraying death can be more harmful than meets the eye?
Perhaps unwanted growth could be curbed at City Hall downtown Independence!
Let's curb the tax burdens by not having city buying office buildings,churches, and houses. Let's go one step further and sell them! Maybe we could then diminish taxes to the property holders!
Then let's not add to the number of houses for sale. And, let's find more ways to not tax the fewer and fewer county and community residents!
OH! for more Debbies!
Blind

Independence, KS

#2 Sep 3, 2012
If we had someone decent running this place it wouldn't look like sh*t. Drive anywhere in town and you can see trash, weeds and other wild growth where they don't belong, bad streets and everything else that makes the place look run down.My question is if people like me can see all this happening why can't Micky see it?Better still, why can't the commissioners see it and make Micky do something about it?I'm sick of the commissioners not giving Micky the boot because they don't want to admit they made a mistake.Maybe the next group in charge will actually do something to help all of us and give Micky the boot.For someone with his alledged experience he sure doesn't sh*t to keep things repaired and looking good.
Jobs

Wichita, KS

#3 Sep 3, 2012
He has to get his fat a-- out of his offie to see what is going on. The only things he can see is what is going on around that building and all that is is spend, spend, spend. He is not one we want to keep.

Since: Mar 12

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#4 Sep 3, 2012
To Everyone,

I have read over the past several months a number of threads on Topix concerning the declining state of conditions in Independence, and Montgomery county. I have wondered what the consequences would be if either Independence or the county had to file for bankruptcy. At some point, there may not be any other choice as many small towns and cities across the country are finding out. From what I read, Independence finds itsself in a very serious situation. My sincere opinion is unless Independence makes serious changes of all persons who currently hold elected office things will continue to decline. Yes, I am sure there are some in office who are good. The problem I see is Independence does not have the time to wait for another round of elections after the general election in November. Change only comes if you make it. The situation can only remain in decline unless you the people take action. Key word, you! If you arent registered to vote, register. Let all folks you know how important this upcoming election is. Remember, the County Commissioners are the elected voice of the people of Montgomert county as are the elected officials in Independence. Once elected they speak with the power you the voter have granted them. Make your choices carefully and as informed voters. Even if only one Commissioner is up for election (I don't know how many are) you can begin to make change begining with that one. The good people of Montgomery county must take action through voting, that is our form of government, vote. Please think about this, it is only your town and homes that are on the line!

God bless to all!
Vote

Wichita, KS

#5 Sep 3, 2012
Unruh has been missing the meeting. Don't know if it is health but he needs to resign and let us has someone to represent us.

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#6 Sep 3, 2012
Vote wrote:
Unruh has been missing the meeting. Don't know if it is health but he needs to resign and let us has someone to represent us.
Agree!

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#7 Sep 3, 2012
Indy_Dick wrote:
<quoted text>Agree!
There is one problem with a resignation of one of the city commissioners:

From Kansas Statutes Annotated, Chapter 25, Article 21, Section 17:

25-2117. Vacancies in certain elective city offices; appointment by governing body. Whenever any vacancy occurs in any elective city office, and no other provision is made by law for filling such vacancy, the vacancy shall be filled by appointment by the governing body of the city, or the remaining member or members of such governing body. A majority of the members of the governing body then in office shall be sufficient for approval of any such appointment.

Do you see the problem?

You don't necessarily get anyone on the commission that is any more competent to serve...

We need to elect people who have the ability to see the problems and the attitude that the descisions the commission makes are the result of careful planning and not shooting from the hip.

I don't see a plan for the future that the current commission is using to make descisions. There is either no plan, or if there is one they aren't using it as a guide.

I am sure that purchases of real estate by the city were NOT planned in advance by any stretch of the imagination.

That they were "too good of a deal to pass up" is not an excuse for any action by the city commission. The city is not supposed to be in the business of real estate...

This is what happens when you have two real estate people on the commission...everything ends up being about real estate...and the taxpayers of this city CAN NOT AFFORD any more real estate regardless of how "good of a deal" it is...

Just my thoughts...and I apologize for not sticking to the topic of the thread...
Vote

Wichita, KS

#8 Sep 3, 2012
Even with an election coming up in November?

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#9 Sep 3, 2012
Vote wrote:
Even with an election coming up in November?
City elections are held in April I believe. Any one appointed would serve until at least then... and if they chose to file for election and won, they would serve until the next election.

Again, from K.S.A., Chapter 25, Article 21, Section 7:

25-2107.&#8195;Time of general city elections; exception by charter ordinance; terms of office. The general election of city officers shall be held on the first Tuesday in April. Except as otherwise provided by law or as provided by charter ordinance passed after April 30, 1968, pursuant to article 12, section 5, of the constitution of Kansas, every city shall have an election of city officers in odd-numbered years only, and the terms of city officers shall be two (2) years: Provided, however, That the provisions of this section shall not invalidate, repeal or otherwise affect any charter ordinance of any city of the third class having a population of not less than one thousand five hundred (1,500) nor more than two thousand (2,000) located in a county having a population of not less than fifty thousand (50,000) nor more than one hundred thousand (100,000), which ordinance had become effective prior to April 30, 1968.
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Independence, KS

#10 Sep 3, 2012
Indy_Dick wrote:
<quoted text>City elections are held in April I believe. Any one appointed would serve until at least then... and if they chose to file for election and won, they would serve until the next election.
Again, from K.S.A., Chapter 25, Article 21, Section 7:
25-2107.&#8195;Time of general city elections; exception by charter ordinance; terms of office. The general election of city officers shall be held on the first Tuesday in April. Except as otherwise provided by law or as provided by charter ordinance passed after April 30, 1968, pursuant to article 12, section 5, of the constitution of Kansas, every city shall have an election of city officers in odd-numbered years only, and the terms of city officers shall be two (2) years: Provided, however, That the provisions of this section shall not invalidate, repeal or otherwise affect any charter ordinance of any city of the third class having a population of not less than one thousand five hundred (1,500) nor more than two thousand (2,000) located in a county having a population of not less than fifty thousand (50,000) nor more than one hundred thousand (100,000), which ordinance had become effective prior to April 30, 1968.
You are right on with all your comments. I do wonder: Since there must be one commissioner with prior experience on the board, should Unruh resign, would either White or Mott have to stay to fulfill that stipulation and the vacancy left by Unruh be filled per next April's election? God forbid we have to put up with Mott or White and their undying support for Webb for another term.They're blind to what's really going on, so the only way to get rid of Webb and get someone who will earn his keep is to get rid of Tweedle-Dee (Mott) and Tweedle-Dum (White).

I will say as much as Unruh's absences have often caused some problems with getting things done and have deprived taxpayers the voice of a third commissioner, when he is there, he often speaks up and says something the helps taxpayers. I also think he's beginning to see the truth about Webb.If I had to choose which commissioner to lose, it wouldn't be Unruh.I'm praying he stays so we'll have at least one (partially) pro-taxpayer voice on the commission.

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#11 Sep 3, 2012
The way I interpret the law (and I'm no lawyer) is that if one of the commissioners resigned the other two would chose another person to fill the position until the general election in April 2013. The person chosen, once they took office would have same the powers and responsibilities that the other two commissioners would have. In order to stay on the commission the person appointed would have to file for and win the election in April 2013.

Remember, that in a city election using the city manager form of government that the person running for the commission seat getting the highest number of votes gets the four year term and the next one gets a two year term.

Personally, I don't think that three commissioners is enough. Kansas laws allow cities the size of Independence to have five commissioners, if the commission approves of it or the voters approve a measure calling for five commissioners. I would like to see that happen in Independence. It would kind of spread the "blame" around a bit.
time for a serious change

Euless, TX

#12 Sep 3, 2012
If we need a new commissioner, get the ICC prez Dan Barwick to do it. That dude gets it done and doesn't spend a pile of money to do it!
back to the first

Wichita, KS

#13 Sep 3, 2012
woo wrote:
"Unwanted growth" sprayed with herbicides along the one way! Whole areas "burned" with the chemical spray.
Next comes the erosion.
Doesn't anyone realize that spraying death can be more harmful than meets the eye?
Perhaps unwanted growth could be curbed at City Hall downtown Independence!
Let's curb the tax burdens by not having city buying office buildings,churches, and houses. Let's go one step further and sell them! Maybe we could then diminish taxes to the property holders!
Then let's not add to the number of houses for sale. And, let's find more ways to not tax the fewer and fewer county and community residents!
OH! for more Debbies!
What's this about "Unwanted growth"? This is something not done in the past, right? I've always been impressed with the way the natural growth has been managed in years past. I think you're absolutely correct - next comes the erosion.
the reality

Independence, KS

#14 Sep 3, 2012
Longtime ICC employee here, Dr. Barwick is the best thing that ever happened to us and he could certainly tear the city manager a new you-know-what, but we're trying to turn this college around so don't get any ideas!
too bad

Belleville, IL

#15 Sep 4, 2012
the reality wrote:
Longtime ICC employee here, Dr. Barwick is the best thing that ever happened to us and he could certainly tear the city manager a new you-know-what, but we're trying to turn this college around so don't get any ideas!
Agreed but who will step up to save Indy??
Answer

Independence, KS

#16 Sep 4, 2012
too bad wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed but who will step up to save Indy??
WE WILL SAVE INDY by voting for two new commissioners who will be open and honest, who will freely answer our questions, who will spend money wisely, who will represent us, and who will get rid of Micky Webb. He is a cancer to this community who must be cut out and replaced if things are going to improve. We need a city manager who has a clear vision and who will lead us and the new commissioners to a new and better Independence, as opposed to Micky who has to be dragged into getting anything done and who has allowed Indy to look like a dump. Replacing city workers with people he can manipulate and control, and who will do anything he asks may be good for him, but not good for the city - one look at the mess he's made out of the park is proof of that.It is maddening to think we are paying him over $100,000 a year to make things worse, but that's 100% the fault of the commissioners who don't have the b*lls to get rid of him.
Hmmm

Independence, KS

#17 Sep 4, 2012
Don't know how much time it takes to be a city commissioner. Maybe he can do both. On the other hand, this conversation is probably killing the idea at birth.
too bad

Belleville, IL

#18 Sep 4, 2012
Answer wrote:
<quoted text>
WE WILL SAVE INDY by voting for two new commissioners who will be open and honest, who will freely answer our questions, who will spend money wisely, who will represent us, and who will get rid of Micky Webb. He is a cancer to this community who must be cut out and replaced if things are going to improve. We need a city manager who has a clear vision and who will lead us and the new commissioners to a new and better Independence, as opposed to Micky who has to be dragged into getting anything done and who has allowed Indy to look like a dump. Replacing city workers with people he can manipulate and control, and who will do anything he asks may be good for him, but not good for the city - one look at the mess he's made out of the park is proof of that.It is maddening to think we are paying him over $100,000 a year to make things worse, but that's 100% the fault of the commissioners who don't have the b*lls to get rid of him.
Answer- maybe you would have time? Sounds like you have good ideas.
Answer

Independence, KS

#19 Sep 4, 2012
too bad wrote:
<quoted text>Answer- maybe you would have time? Sounds like you have good ideas.
I'm in the learning mode. Once I think I could do more harm than good, I'm running. My first step? Getting rid of Micky Webb and all his informants(if the commissioners we elect next April don't beat me to it). Replace him with someone with the drive to GET THINGS DONE, LEAD INDEPENDENCE INTO A BETTER FUTURE, AND PUT AN END TO EVERYTHING THAT HAS TORN THIS TOWN APART SINCE THE ARRIVAL OF MICKY WEBB (rather than to lead it into bankruptcy with one wasteful expenditure after another and into further division).
Yea

Independence, KS

#20 Sep 4, 2012
You can't do any worst than what we have now.

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