All Guns Should Be Permanently Banned
Barney

Chanute, KS

#63 Dec 15, 2012
Does anyone see the irony in those whiny liberals or the great masses of the uninformed using the protection of free speech guaranteed under the First Amendment to attack the right to bear arms guaranteed in the Second Amendment? What other rights might we find we don't like? How about unreasonable search and seizure in the Fourth Amendment or maybe trial by jury in the Seventh Amendment. Once you decide to undermine one Amendment in the Bill of Rights, what's to stop you from destroying any or all of them? Think about that.... if you can actually think at all....

Since: Dec 12

Lower Hutt, New Zealand

#64 Dec 15, 2012
Did you know this?

The knowns are:
The US kills more of its own with guns than any other advanced country and many primitive ones.
There is absolutely no reason why gun rights should include the right to handguns and automatic military weapons.
There is absolutely no reason why people should be allowed to carry concealed weapons; or for that matter carry guns at all in public places, other than for recognised purposes such as hunting or policing.
There is absolutely no reason you cannot have universal controls over gun acquisition, ownership and use.
You should train your police better. All of the nine bystanders shot in the crossfire at the Empire State Building were shot by police.
But then there is a reason, isn't there? It's called the NRA. And it has made the US the sickest society in the West.

Which is fine, unless you want to live there.

Do you also know that, in so-called "peace-time", you kill yourself as about the same rate as Syrians do in their civil war? Without the help of tanks and warplanes.

Since: Dec 12

Lower Hutt, New Zealand

#65 Dec 15, 2012
But let's not disturb the NRA notion that guns are normal.

And that death is normal if weapons manufacturers can make money out of it.
taxpayer

United States

#66 Dec 15, 2012
Awryly wrote:
Did you know this?
The knowns are:
The US kills more of its own with guns than any other advanced country and many primitive ones.
There is absolutely no reason why gun rights should include the right to handguns and automatic military weapons.
There is absolutely no reason why people should be allowed to carry concealed weapons; or for that matter carry guns at all in public places, other than for recognised purposes such as hunting or policing.
There is absolutely no reason you cannot have universal controls over gun acquisition, ownership and use.
You should train your police better. All of the nine bystanders shot in the crossfire at the Empire State Building were shot by police.
But then there is a reason, isn't there? It's called the NRA. And it has made the US the sickest society in the West.
Which is fine, unless you want to live there.
Do you also know that, in so-called "peace-time", you kill yourself as about the same rate as Syrians do in their civil war? Without the help of tanks and warplanes.
Move to Syria
Zeke

United States

#67 Dec 15, 2012
Is everyone aware that the independence are vulnerable to this happening. The high school daily has multiple doors open and no police presence. The guy assigined to the school is too busy with the coeds to have a presence.
cant worry forever

Jefferson City, MO

#68 Dec 15, 2012
Zeke wrote:
Is everyone aware that the independence are vulnerable to this happening. The high school daily has multiple doors open and no police presence. The guy assigined to the school is too busy with the coeds to have a presence.
Death is guaranteed, life is the gamble. Lead - Follow - or get out of the way.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#69 Dec 15, 2012
Barney wrote:
Does anyone see the irony in those whiny liberals or the great masses of the uninformed using the protection of free speech guaranteed under the First Amendment to attack the right to bear arms guaranteed in the Second Amendment? What other rights might we find we don't like? How about unreasonable search and seizure in the Fourth Amendment or maybe trial by jury in the Seventh Amendment. Once you decide to undermine one Amendment in the Bill of Rights, what's to stop you from destroying any or all of them? Think about that.... if you can actually think at all....
You're a little mixed up. The forefathers created the Constitution to be what is called a living document. This was done to prevent it from becoming outdated and irrelevant in some cases. Amendments, or formal changes to the Constitution, were added at times when it became clear that changes were needed. Such as the 18th Amendment (Prohibition) and then the 21st Amendment nullifying the 18th Amendment. The Constitution was made to change with the times and with what the People want or need.
An American citizen is NOT required to like every single item in the Constitution, and even has a right to work to change what doesn't fit in with American society any more. That doesn't mean that it WILL change, just that we do have that right. It's not that easy to pass an Amendment - it has to go through very strenuous legislation first. So no, I don't think if there's one change in the Constitution, then everything in it will change. So calm down.
Aka tecks an ozzys

United States

#70 Dec 15, 2012
Who ever started this post is a Frkn idiot!!!!!
Psychos, Pedophiles and child molesters should be banned permanently
Guns don't kill people
Stupid people kill people
Resident

Erie, KS

#71 Dec 15, 2012
Ever notice that the last 3 mass killers killed them selves after going on a shooting spree? No one has ever thought about our Goverment being behind this. Could those nut cases be programmed? Bottom line, you take the guns away from people and the only ones to have them are the criminals. And than soon after that we will live in a police state.
Guns Games and

Seattle, WA

#72 Dec 16, 2012
My opinion, what has brought a lot of this on is these damn video games that are so real it has desensitized the masses. Also, this crap about "zombies" and "official zombie ammunition." Folks, these are real guns, they kill when used. Playing "zombie" or what ever the hell it is called with real bullets is a very dangerous idea. When a person crosses over from these video games which would make Bin Ladin's torture room look like a church to real guns and ammunition something is going to happen. Just a couple of weeks ago, I saw a news report telling of gun dealers selling special "zombie" ammunition, again, playing games with firearms and live ammunition is a very dangerous idea. Gun dealers where thrilled at the up surge in sales. ANY PERSON, selling a firearm or ammunition for the purpose of playing a game should face jail, period. Self defense, hunting, not a problem for me. Young people have come of age playing these games they have now have become adults. They can buy guns! Society is not the same as forty or fifty years ago, we are in a different world. Time for a change of some sort. I don't believe this will be the last of these sort of killings. An earlier posting said something about Independence being vulnerable to something like this. Dang right, NO place in the United States is off limits to a person "programmed" after years of videos and games with live ammunition and firearms. I don't know the case of the past few shooters in the tragedies but I would not be surprised if there were not some sort of computer games, playing soldier or a desensitization of some sort which was involved.

Remember what happened to Chuck Holeman, Ivan Garman and Eddy Wallick, they were playing soldier in the cemetery and then got drunk. So, it has already happened in a sense in Independence once. Yes, I know the details behind the case and another thread on the matter on Topix but a large amount of ammunition and a gun were involved. Result, dead kids. When you are looking at a young person in a casket you look at things differently, I know I did with Ivan and Chuck. Again, just my two cents worth.

Thanks for the time to read the post. Hope this might help in some way whatever your opinion may be.
oh well

United States

#73 Dec 16, 2012
Katniss258 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're kidding, right? Let's see:
It was liberal policy that got the African-Americans the right to vote.
It was liberal policy that got women the right to vote.
Liberal policy created Social Security so that millions of elderly Americans would not live in poverty.
Liberal policy ended segregation.
Civil Rights Act? Liberal policy
Voting Rights Act? Liberal policy.
Medicare? Liberal policy.
Clean Air Act? Liberal policy. Clean Water Act? Guess who?
Get out and educate yourself, Mr. "park" before you make too much of a fool out of yourself.
That being said (and it HAD to be said, because there seems to be a lot of posters in this thread screaming about liberals), what does being Liberal or Conservative have to do with trying to find a viable solution to the growing problem of these mass murders? I know extreme Conservatives who want to and are even working towards getting rid of military assault weapons for private use and tightening gun laws. The desire to end this horrible problem does not hinge on political views.
I'm sorry but most of that was conservative policies. Ending slavery had been a conservative policy for years after the Revolution. It was conservative policy to bring the South back into the Union. John Adams Who was very much anti slavery was the father of Conservatism,(IMO) not Thomas Jefferson, or Andrew Jackson, both of whom were the fathers of the Democrat Party..

Of course all that is from my interpretation of a true Conservative.

As to tightening gun laws..I do not see a fix there. I do progress in armed Guards, or Armed Teachers/principals.
Just sayin

Wann, OK

#74 Dec 16, 2012
Katniss258 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's just it, though. We can't tell who's next, and we never will, unless they invent something that can read minds so as to prevent bad things from happening before they happen.
The ONLY way to lessen the severity of these horrible killing sprees is to ban all private use of military assault weapons and tighten gun control laws. Period. That won't stop these animals, but it will sure as hell put a dent in their kill-counts.
Are you a left wing liberal? Let's see, in your imaginary little world if we could just make drugs illegal then NO ONE would have drugs! Wow! What a wonderful idea! How's that working out for you? Do you remember prohibition? What group benefited the most from that? In case you've forgotten.... it was organized crime that prospered from it and FYI alcoholic beverages were still available during prohibition. What makes you think that "...banning all private use of military assault weapons and tighter gun control laws" will put a dent in the kill-counts.

It obvious that America is getting dumber and the "ban all guns" type of thinking goes along the dumbing down of America. After all the majority of voters thought that the lieing, cheating, liberal, muslim was better qualified to run this country than the successful businessman. Go figure......
X Obama Supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#75 Dec 16, 2012
Resident wrote:
Ever notice that the last 3 mass killers killed them selves after going on a shooting spree? No one has ever thought about our Goverment being behind this. Could those nut cases be programmed? Bottom line, you take the guns away from people and the only ones to have them are the criminals. And than soon after that we will live in a police state.
It would seem possible, I've heard it mentioned by a few other people as well. Check into all the ammo the Obama administration has been buying and it now all these mass killings that suddenly have so many up in arms about arms and knowing what the military can do as far as mind control and you have a perfect storm.....and a potential new civil war. Why does our own administration need so much ammo????

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#76 Dec 16, 2012
Guns Games and wrote:
My opinion, what has brought a lot of this on is these damn video games that are so real it has desensitized the masses. Also, this crap about "zombies" and "official zombie ammunition." Folks, these are real guns, they kill when used. Playing "zombie" or what ever the hell it is called with real bullets is a very dangerous idea. When a person crosses over from these video games which would make Bin Ladin's torture room look like a church to real guns and ammunition something is going to happen. Just a couple of weeks ago, I saw a news report telling of gun dealers selling special "zombie" ammunition, again, playing games with firearms and live ammunition is a very dangerous idea. Gun dealers where thrilled at the up surge in sales. ANY PERSON, selling a firearm or ammunition for the purpose of playing a game should face jail, period. Self defense, hunting, not a problem for me. Young people have come of age playing these games they have now have become adults. They can buy guns! Society is not the same as forty or fifty years ago, we are in a different world. Time for a change of some sort. I don't believe this will be the last of these sort of killings. An earlier posting said something about Independence being vulnerable to something like this. Dang right, NO place in the United States is off limits to a person "programmed" after years of videos and games with live ammunition and firearms. I don't know the case of the past few shooters in the tragedies but I would not be surprised if there were not some sort of computer games, playing soldier or a desensitization of some sort which was involved.
Remember what happened to Chuck Holeman, Ivan Garman and Eddy Wallick, they were playing soldier in the cemetery and then got drunk. So, it has already happened in a sense in Independence once. Yes, I know the details behind the case and another thread on the matter on Topix but a large amount of ammunition and a gun were involved. Result, dead kids. When you are looking at a young person in a casket you look at things differently, I know I did with Ivan and Chuck. Again, just my two cents worth.
Thanks for the time to read the post. Hope this might help in some way whatever your opinion may be.
You make a great point, and I absolutely agree that it's one of the reasons these things happen. Another big factor: the damn media. It is not necessary for the news media to cover these horrible events 24/7, bringing out every minute detail, every utterance of victims and victims families, friends, neighbors, people in the town, people anywhere in the country wanting to have their few minutes on camera, what the Hollywood stars are saying about it. Close-ups of the crying, grieving parents. Etc., etc. The worst thing is that they just have to talk endlessly about the shooter. The lunatics already on the edge of suicide with a bent towards sensationalism see this and decide it's a great way to go out, maybe even try to top the last monster. They die knowing that their names are going to be household words for at least a couple of weeks. Somehow, in their warped, bizarre, pathetic minds, this is satisfying enough to them to go ahead with it.

I'm of the opinion that, like the Westboro Church, there should be little to no mention of these events in the media. Won't happen though.
et one

Elk Falls, KS

#77 Dec 16, 2012
NEWS MEDIA are NOT in the business of providing news "fair and balanced" as they like to say. They are in the business of selling advertising and the more viewers they have the more they can charge. Simple fact. For the most part if these nuts weren't assured of getting instant recognition and fame they would likely simply kill themselves and be gone.

KATSIS, for your information, I am a religious person who cares deeply for people. I can carry a weapon should I percieve a possibility of danger, but that doesn't mean I plan on shooting or injuring anyone without cause. You on the other hand, are as I have said, a mental and moral coward when it comes to standing up for right. It is easy for you to call me a nutjob here, but when it came down to facing me [a challenge you issued, by the way] you didn't show up. I do not care what you think...no matter how wrong you are you will always blame the gun for the problem, not the idiot who attacks children or others. Good bye.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#78 Dec 16, 2012
First off the tragedy that happened is appalling and breaks the heart of the entire nation.

But to anti-guners like Katniss, who I believe we have had this discussion before on here, it's more socially and morally acceptable to be a victim of violence than it would be to defend yourself with a firearm of any type against an attacker that would mean to do you harm.

And on your whole "Living Document" that you brought up, if I remember right, the first Ten Amendments of the Bill of Rights was the core amendments that wasn't to be infringed upon and was to set the tone for the Nation for the rest of it existence. No ratifications could be made to change or impede them.
becky

Austin, TX

#79 Dec 16, 2012
Obama Supporter wrote:
If today's shooting isn't proof that there should be absolutely no guns in the public's hands, I don't know what is.
You love criminals, don't you? Bet you would hold down a woman as she's getting raped so she couldn't retrieve her handgun.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#80 Dec 16, 2012
Rorschach 22 wrote:
And on your whole "Living Document" that you brought up, if I remember right, the first Ten Amendments of the Bill of Rights was the core amendments that wasn't to be infringed upon and was to set the tone for the Nation for the rest of it existence. No ratifications could be made to change or impede them.
You're wrong on that:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_the_Bill_of_Rig...

"Since the Constitution itself can be amended and since the Bill of Rights is a part of the Constitution, then it can be amended as well. The Bill of Rights is just a name given to the first ten amendments. They have no special status."

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#81 Dec 16, 2012
et one wrote:
It is easy for you to call me a nutjob here, but when it came down to facing me [a challenge you issued, by the way] you didn't show up.
Et one, what can I say? You're too damn scary to meet face to face. I mean I'm sorry, but it's true. You may be a decent upstanding church-going citizen in real life, but on here you seem a little off. Besides, it's not that I "didn't show up" - I posted the day before that I'd changed my mind. Not my fault you didn't read it.

Have a nice Christmas.
X Obama Supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#82 Dec 16, 2012
Katniss258 wrote:
<quoted text>
Et one, what can I say? You're too damn scary to meet face to face. I mean I'm sorry, but it's true. You may be a decent upstanding church-going citizen in real life, but on here you seem a little off. Besides, it's not that I "didn't show up" - I posted the day before that I'd changed my mind. Not my fault you didn't read it.
Have a nice Christmas.
changed your mind about what???? Showing up? So, in other words, you didn't show up.....right?!!!

No wonder you post some of the dumbest crap I've read on here....you can't tell the difference between "I changed my mind, so I didn't show up" and "you didn't show up". Please explain how in your mind that is different. I can't wait to hear this!!!

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