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Letznamenames

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Back to the topic of this thread:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/125664712/Ott-Lawsu ...

Why have there been no statements regarding this matter in the Leader? Not a word from the Mayor of Arnold, the Arnold City Administrator or the Arnold City Attorney, but they have smeared Ken and Doris' name all over the papers. What is different, this has been going on for over a year.
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#47
Feb 19, 2013
 
Why did Doris only choose to post this lawsuit now and not when she found put about it? Why did she withhold this information from the citizens that she has states she is standing up for against corruption? Yet she only brought this out when a claim was filed against her. I would have to say she is playing games and posted this out of retaliation.
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#48
Feb 19, 2013
 
Letznamenames wrote:
Back to the topic of this thread:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/125664712/Ott-Lawsu ...
Why have there been no statements regarding this matter in the Leader? Not a word from the Mayor of Arnold, the Arnold City Administrator or the Arnold City Attorney, but they have smeared Ken and Doris' name all over the papers. What is different, this has been going on for over a year.
That's funny. I turned the tables on your accusations about the name and you had no comeback so you turn back to this. Hilarious!
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You are assuming Doris had the information, but fail to acknowledge that the City of Arnold, it's city attorney, it's Mayor, it's city administrator and Chief actually had all of the information on this since 2009 and said NOTHING, why in your way of thinking, would accountablity fall to Doris who was not on the council at that time and not those who were in authority at the time it was filed?
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#51
Feb 19, 2013
 
First, many of the events in the lawsuit did t happen until 2010 and 2011.

Second, the lawsuit was filed in October 2011 (look at the stamp on the document or do you not read what you post to your scribd account?), when Doris was in fact an elected official. She knew about it. It would have been discussed In one of the closed sessions. You're just trying to deflect because of the fact she didn't publicize this sooner will hurt her in the election.
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Feb 19, 2013
 
Letznamenames wrote:
You are assuming Doris had the information, but fail to acknowledge that the City of Arnold, it's city attorney, it's Mayor, it's city administrator and Chief actually had all of the information on this since 2009 and said NOTHING, why in your way of thinking, would accountablity fall to Doris who was not on the council at that time and not those who were in authority at the time it was filed?
Just like the X-Files, the D-Files are out there. The lawsuit has been around. Ott was fired from the city and would not accept it and files a lawsuit. Suddenly Doris and Ott are friends. This is the one where Doris, acting in her "official capacity" went to the clerk of the court in Hillsboro and tried to bully the clerk by demand the papers on this matter. She was denied that. That account was also in the paper and it is in a thread in here where she denied improperly attempting to get court papers by claiming she was on the city concil and entitled to them. This is more Doris doing what Doris does best.
Letusnamenames

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#53
Feb 19, 2013
 
The lawsuit was filed in October 2011, when Doris was on the Council.
Letznamenames

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/125664712/Ott-Lawsu ...

How can you say she knew about it? Were you in a closed session where this may have been discussed? Can you state that is the case factually with documentation to back it up? Was it discussed in open session? Was the city council aware of all the particulars? Do you think the city council, being aware of these allegations would have appointed the accused to be the administrator of even more employees? Why were these allegations not in the paper? Why did the MCHR complaint not get released to the media? Why did the city attorney and Mayor not make statements regarding the guilt of Shockey in relation to this case or give their opinions on the circumstances of this case? Why was there no talk of retaliation against employee Ott in the media? These are valid questions that need to be answered. No deflection, just the facts.
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#55
Feb 19, 2013
 
No facts and all deflection. It's the same rhetoric that you always spew.
Letznamenames

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#56
Feb 19, 2013
 
The fact is posted in the link. All one needs to do is go there and read the filing. Open wide...
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So let me see if I can understand your point.... You are mad because nobody from the city released this informatoin to the media, right??

They didn't release any of this new stuff to the media either, did they? Maybe it's the policy of the City to not release this information and that's why they didn't then and haven't now, maybe?!?

Further just who released the most recent information via social media and other means?..... That's right Doris, which really makes me wonder, if she was in such a hurry to release this new information (cause I'm sure she thought it helped her to win, why else would she do it) and as you have so kindly pointed out the old informatoin is just as important, why would she wait so long to release this lawsuit?

Timing is everything and I don't think this passes the sniff test!
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The sands are ticking out of the hour glass for Doris. The voters in town already know. Sure she has her faithful following who will follow her lemming-like right into the sea. It will not matter in the end.

She is so desperate now she will try anything. All her ploys are being cast aside as failed or useless. She posted that lawsuit link on her own facebook page as a last gasp, probably next to last. She has one more card up that unbelieveably tacky sleeveless dress of hers. It's probably only a deuce. Is it too late to advise her about what would have worked best? Actually working to the betterment of the city rather than tearing it down.
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This was never splashed all over the media !
Funny how they keep all their dirty little secrets under wraps and falsely accuse moss all over the media with their lies.
Just where was Pee wee and moritz's rage over this????
Why wasn't any action taken against shockey ??
Why wasn't he drug in a back room and threatened ??
Good god only in Arnold with Pee wee pulling the strings.
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Doris, give it up. You have been caught in your little political games and the citizens see right through it.
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Is the police chief afraid of getting fired over his incompetence? Is this a pre-emptive complaint against the council members that may find him guilty of these serious allegations of retaliation? So any move they may make is considered retaliation against him? While conniving and crooked, it seems a very smart move on his part. We can hope it fails, though, if the allegations are found to have merit. Let justice be served, wherever it lies.
You very well may be on to something. Shockey has his tit in a wringer in the police dept. Then crying like a whiney btch on the administrator side if anyone ask hum any questions . What a con artist !
Bad idea, very bad idea having him as both chief of police and administrator. A huge conflict if you ask me .
Now he's sueing council members ? He's looking for big pay on his way out . What a dealing joke thus town is .
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He isn't the only one. I think there will be a lawsuit against a council member for retailiation for posting another lawsuit's information.
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This story was in the Leader back when the lawsuit was initially filed. This was, I believe, before the Leader had a presence online, so nobody can link to that story...most of the Leader's stories don't make it online, anyway.

Call up Patrick Martin and ask him. Or Kim Robertson.
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Ridiculous wrote:
This story was in the Leader back when the lawsuit was initially filed. This was, I believe, before the Leader had a presence online, so nobody can link to that story...most of the Leader's stories don't make it online, anyway.
Call up Patrick Martin and ask him. Or Kim Robertson.
It was never in the Leader, cite the date of the article naming Shockey in a sexual harassment suit. Show where the city attorney and Mayor spoke out against him and in favor of the officer making the complaint. Then show the investigative report that was completed after the press conferences. Then come back here with your tail between your legs and apologize.
If that was the protocol 15 month ago or longer, what changed with that protocol in the last six months? It sounds as though someone is trying to change the process to further their political agenda. Just what is the standard here, wouldn't the Chief be expected to uphold the law instead of hiding the fact that it has possibly been broken? Innocent until proven guilty, unless of course, you are Ken Moss.
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Ridiculous wrote:
This story was in the Leader back when the lawsuit was initially filed. This was, I believe, before the Leader had a presence online, so nobody can link to that story...most of the Leader's stories don't make it online, anyway.
Call up Patrick Martin and ask him. Or Kim Robertson.
Ralph Martin is his real name, not Pat. Aside from that, when you find this imaginary story, can you let everyone know if it mentions the Missouri Commission on Human Rights substantiating the allegations and issuing "Right to Sue" to Officer Ott? My guess is, such a finding being public would be major news, and picked up by the P-D and certainly would have figured into his appointment as interim City Administrator.
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#66
Feb 20, 2013
 
SIIIIIIIIIIIGH.

Patrick Martin, Editorial Page Editor: http://myleaderpaper.com/pages/...

And second, once again, dumdums, ya can't post a link when a link doesn't exist. Call Martin and ASK if the Leader ran a story on the Alicia Ott allegations when they happened. The answer will be yes. I remember it quite clearly for reasons I won't go into here. Whether or not you will come slithering back here to admit it, however, is questionable.

There are no online archives of the Leader from 2 or 3 years ago. Good Christ, it's like talking to a pile o' bricks around here. Good thing the Topix forums are not representative of the voting public. Otherwise we'd all be doomed.

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