Gate on Ambrose Crossing

Gate on Ambrose Crossing

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classy people

Arnold, MO

#1 Jun 14, 2011
The few Valley Oaks people that have been so outspoken about the gate being put up between Ambrose Crossing and Valley Oaks sure showed some class. NOT!!!!! What a bunch of adults trying to push themselves around to change what will not be changed. Whin cry, whin somemore and still nothing will change. There are 12 other gates in this community that are just the same. Do you hear anyone whinning? Nope, only you poor Valley Oaks people that are being closed off from you short cut. Hell the street has been blocked at the front of our subdivision by concrete blocks for a year now and you don't hear the front half of us folks boo-hooing. Get a life, face the facts, you will be driving that extra 55 seconds aroung. Like it or not. It's not about safty your right! It's about your short cut that won't be anymore. Cry, cry, cry.... I'll had you a tissue.
Patrick C Stoll

United States

#2 Jun 21, 2011
The street block off in your subdivision can not be fix cause just like the rest of us some people dont pay their dues. Not having any class. I live in Valley Oaks moved here last year loved the access points to get in and out. I patrolled the Berlin Wall in the 80's so please tell me what the gate is for if it is not about division, bigotry,racism and overall social status. I defended the freedoms we enjoy in America and do not take kindly to folks who believe Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness is to be used as a catch phrase.

Freedom to travel the shortest safest distance possible. Driving Frisco Hill Rd this winter ought to be a harrowing experience with ice and snow on it. No guardrails and no lighting. This I will have to do with my 5 yr old and wife. So its not about a shortcut it is about what makes common sense something that the powers that be lack
Are you crazy

Arnold, MO

#3 Jun 27, 2011
Let me ask you how racism , bigotry or social status has ANYTHING to do with the fact that a gate is in place.
This gate was put up for two reasons.
1) Because Valley Oaks cars used Ambrose Crossing Roads more then Ambrose Crossing does. Ambrose crossing is a Subdivision of 30 homes. Valley Oaks is a Subdivision of 247 homes. If each of your homes has only one car and that one car goes to and from work on Ambrose Crossing Streets that is a minumum of 494 trips. Not to mention if you go in and out for other reasons in one day or if you have two or three cars. Your trash trucks, moving trucks, construction trucks and so on also use these roads. The residents of Ambrose crossing are left paying the bill for you using thier streets with the subdivision dues of 30 homes.

2)A lot of the cars flew down Ambrose Crossing streets making it hard for people to even allow thier kids to play fearing they may run out in the street and get killed. Flex stakes where put up and speed humps where put in with a combination of stop signs. The flex stakes where knocked down due to high rates of speed hitting them in one week. ONE WEEK MR. STOLL. Stop signs get ran on a daily bases. DAILEY BASES MR. STOLL. You have a car over there that looks to be an old police car (black and white) and a truck that is white with blue and yellow paiting (RAMS colors) that FLY and I mean FLY down Ambrose Crossing streets. Why aren't you out there patrolling those people so they wouldn't ruin it for the rest.
I suppose this is there right to do also because you faught in a war and patrolled the Berlin Wall.So It's not about the shortest route??????
You say in one sentance that "Freedom to travel the shortest distance" then below you say "it's not about a short cut." BULL!!! PERIOD!!!!! The extra 55 seconds it takes you is what has your underpants in a bind.
So what you are saying is that it is OK for Frisco Hills Sub. to block thier street with concrete so no one person including emergency can EVER get through just because people don't pay their dues. Safety is safety no matter what way you look at it. If you people in Valley oaks are pissed because Ambrose Crossing people took all the right steps to have a gate put in on thier buck you should be even more pissed that a street was blocked WITHOUT approval from anyone and puts your fellow residents in harms way. PERIOD!!! That street could have been taken out and gravel put in. That would have cost a minimum amount. Sure it may have not look as nice but at the very least you could have gotten through. You know why Valley Oaks people aren't upset with that??????? BECAUSE IT IS NOT A SHORT CUT FOR THEM. People from Frisco Hills subdivision use it to cut through to get to Seckman. It cuts down on the traffic through Valley Oaks so your residents love it. PERIOD!!!!
Different Story Mr. Berlin wall when the table is turned.
You may have moved in a year ago but I have lived in this area for some 15 and this gate issue has been around for almost as long. Valley Oaks residence have offered no solution to the problem. EVER!!!!!!! All a handful of you people ever do is cause trouble.
Patrick C Stoll

United States

#6 Jun 27, 2011
First off I have never called anyone names elected or otherwise and subdivisions should be connected thats why planning and zoning forced steven dorkamp to attached to ambrose crossing in the first place.

The street that dead ends into that farmers field you might wanna just get the gate up now cause eventually he will sell and guess what they will connect the street to that subdivision.

I wonder when i am traveling frisco hill rd this winter even though ambrose would be safer to drive I just cringe thinking of my wife sliding off that dangerous road with my little boy, So say what you will GATES in a community are about keeping people out if it was not about division the gate would have been installed at your entrance. Gates Video Cameras is this how rational adults solve their problems in Jefferson County whatever happen to working together and coming up with solutions that work for everyone I never expected to have gates installed when I moved here Yes I am a Veteran and proud of it using it as a crutch NOT using it to make the point that there are people protecting your freedoms everyday and taking away freedoms here in the USA I guess we should gate every subdivision in Jefferson County and make it as difficult as possible to travel thru it now thats forward thinking at its finest The next twenty years are going to bring massive growth and more cars and more roads lets just hope we can all be able to drive on them

I am not going to chnage my opinion that gates are bad cause I know they are I have seen what they do and I know what they are for to keep people out PERIOD

If you are going to post here stop using fake names tell us who you are so we know who is making comments why hide behind the computer and spawn lies about me and what i have said cheap shots for sure but i'm a big boy keep tossing them

MR STOLL
Patrick C Stoll

United States

#7 Jun 27, 2011
Are you crazy wrote:
Your racism statement is ignorace at it's finest.
What does racism have to do with a gate. I have NEVER heard anyone from Ambrose Crossing say they are better then Valley Oaks. NEVER!!!! Mr. Berlin Wall. I have seen you make remarks about Ambrose Crossing Residents! I've heard you cast blame and spew at the mouth about elected officials that had almost nothing to do with the gate. I have to wonder if you have ever even talked personally with the elected official that you blame?
I know though, you fought for freedom and it is your right now to tell others what to do.
My father was a WWII vet. He was in the Navy. Earned a purple heart. Amphibious assult if I have it spelled correctly. I'm super proud of him and my flag. But I'll tell you this..... I have never heard him use his "past" as an excuse as to why the world owes him ANYTHING. You Mr. Berlin Wall should set your personal standards higher. Stop holding the I'm the poor Vet. card. There are many more in worse shape then you that you would never know what they did in there past.
It's that subdivisions right to block the street if they have the right approvals and they do. Obviously more people then just the handful in Valley Oaks think it is ok. Build the Valley Oaks bridge and get over it. Spend your time enjoying your wife and kid. They'd appreciate you more.
How I spend my time is not your concern I never said anyone owed me anything freedom of movement and it erks me that people wnat to restrict movement. I have never made derogatory remarks about Ambrose residents thats a flat out lie in matter of fact I spoke with your President over there one day and he remarked thank you for not being a crazy person and screaming at me I just think we all could have come up with a better solution than the backdoor way the gate was done Yes I just moved here and no I dont know the past I just know a future county with gates is going to be a mess and stunt growth when you move into a subdivision you might see cars using the road it is a given oh and this side of valley oaks does not have as many homes as you say and not everyone here used your street I used it if i had to and how private of a street can any of them be if you have to ask for permission to install a gate thats because the state retains ownership of everything and merely grants use by deed of trust or certifucate of title you see technically you dont own your home read your deed it has restrictions and grants you use and allows you to assign use to your heirs or sucessors when you sell YOUR CAR do you have to let the state know yes you do they own it LOL so do me a favor whoever you are get your facts straight do some research and then post something other than a MR STOLL bash session on here
Are you Crazy

Arnold, MO

#8 Jun 28, 2011
Let me get this straight you didn't talk to my President if your referrring to Ambrose Crossing. I let the State know I sold my car so I don't pay taxes on it and if you think the State owns it you better go back and fight somemore wars against your own Country. I'd have to agree that more freedoms are becoming less but to say that your freedom was to use Ambrose Crossing as a short cut is wrong. Have you ever been to St. Charles? Do you see how alot of thier new subdivisions don't join each other. That is the way Jefferson County should be. It would stop all of this. I didn't say you couldn't come into thier subdivision. You can visit it anytime. Just don't use it as your exit and entrance. Those people were nice enough to put up a specail place to walk through. I've heard your residence that ride motorcycle use it as thier cut through. NICE!

Me using a fake name is my business. I have seen how some act over there. Heck ask Ambrose Crossing and Seckman Lakes how they are treated when putting up flex stakes. I believe one was almost ran into.

You never answered two of my most important questions. Why aren't you complaining about the front half of Valley Oaks being blocked without approval? and.... Two what the hell does racism have to do with that gate.

If your concern is that Frisco Hill is to dangerous then your better start working on the county to put your tax dollars to work and fix the road. Let me just tell you, you have no idea what it was like 15 years ago. Frisco Hill is no worse then Old Lemay Ferry or many other roads out here.

What solution do you have? Like I said this has been going on for years and no one has ever made an attempt to talk before the gate got put up that I have heard of.
Patrick C Stoll

United States

#9 Jun 28, 2011
i AM TRYING TO GET THE COUNTY TO USE EMERGENCY FUNDS TO HELP FRISCO HILL SUBDIVISION GET REPAIRED THEY HAVE 3 MILLION JUST SITTING IDLE IN AN EMERGENCY FUND. i AM ALSO HAVING A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE BY JEFFERSON COUNTY TO ASSESS HOW MANY CARS ACTUALLY USE FRISCO HILL ROAD I ALSO CALLED AND HAD THEM RESTRIPE THE ROAD CUT THE LIMBS AND BRUSH THAT WERE COVERING SOME OF THE WARNING SIGNS AND ASKING FOR A STOP SIGN TO BE INSTALLED AT THE ENTRANCE TO VALLEY OAKS SINCE YOU CAN NOT SEE OVER THE CREST OF THE HILL SO I HAVE BEEN DOING ALOT IF THE SUBDIVISIOND WERE NEVER SUPPOSE TO BE CONNECTED THEN WHY WAS A CUL DE SAC NOT ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR AMBROSE THE REASON IS STEVEN DORKAMP WAS FORCED BY JEFFERSON COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING WHEN HE SUBMITTED HIS PLAT TO CONNECT THE STREET THEN MR DORKAMP WAS IMMEDIATELY SUED BY AMBROSE THEY LOST HE SPENT 50,000 DEFENDING THE ACTION AGAINST HIM THAT THE COUNTY MADE HIM DO NOW TEN YEARS OR SO LATER WE WANT TO CLOSE IT OFF THEY HAVE ANOTHER STREET THAT DEAD ENDS INTO A FARMERS FIELD AND YES EVENTUALLY IT WILL HAVE HOUSES AND THEY WILL WANT TO CONNECT THE STREETS OH AND BY THE WAY THE STATE RETAINS OWNERSHIP OF EVERYTHING DONT FOOL YOURSELF IT IS CALLED TITLES AND DEEDS LOL
Are you Crazy

Arnold, MO

#10 Jun 28, 2011
My understanding was that Cooksey Construction put that street in because he intended to buy that property and build on it himself. He himself moved into the house right by the gate on Ambrose Crossing. He and his wife divorced and from hearsay he went belly up. It was also told to planning and zoning that a bridge was going to be built from the back half to the front half of your sub.. This is why planning and zoning never dreamed Ambrose Crossing would EVER see so much traffic. Why would cars travel to get out to Frisco Hill when they could go right to Seckman over your own bridge. It seems as if you have done some research but maybe not enough. I know Ambrose Crossing did not spend anywhere close to 50,000.00 dollars.
Patrick C Stoll

United States

#11 Jun 29, 2011
my understanding was that Cooksey Construction put that street in because he intended to buy that property and build on it himself. He himself moved into the house right by the gate on Ambrose Crossing. He and his wife divorced and from hearsay he went belly up. It was also told to planning and zoning that a bridge was going to be built from the back half to the front half of your sub.. This is why planning and zoning never dreamed Ambrose Crossing would EVER see so much traffic. Why would cars travel to get out to Frisco Hill when they could go right to Seckman over your own bridge. It seems as if you have done some research but maybe not enough. I know Ambrose Crossing did not spend anywhere close to 50,000.00 dollars

Planning and Zoning approved the plats and the roads to be connected nowhere on the plat documents does it show a bridge should one have been built yes it probally should have but lets be realistic here a bridge cost over a million dollars So unless the County puts one which I doubt thats not being realistic what is realistic is sharing in the road maintanance which Valley Oaks offered 10% of collected dues each year which would have been around 4000 dollars a year enough to replace 4 slabs a year so this whole issue is about Ambrose not wanting any cars other than their vehicles driving on their roads PERIOD and the 900 cars a day was a gross overstatement as the results from Jefferson County will show.
I too like my privacy which is why i bought a house on a cul de sac and not a main entrance. Do you see a problem if every subdivision gets gated where they meet another one its not a problem if your on the right side of the gate. I just think adults and HOA'S should be able to work together as a community of neighbors as opposed to a community of adversaries. I may be vocal but I do not vandalize steal or destroy anything that someone has worked for or owns I try my best to show the same amount of respect that I am receiving from the other party. Sometimes things get said in anger and thats never good for anyone so if iI have offended anyone in anyway for this I am sorry but attacks on me my service to this country or my character are unfounded. I am just a regular human being just like you and I think the gate is a bad way to solve an issue so with that said I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter
God Bless You and Your Family
Pat
Zzzzzz

Ballwin, MO

#12 Jul 5, 2011
Half the houses in your gated subdivisions are behind on their payments or in foreclosure already. Get over yourself.
peter

Arnold, MO

#13 Jul 24, 2011
Zzzzz it's your sub that must have the status problem. I have never heard anyone from Ambrose crossing even mention such a thing but that is all you hear from Valley Oaks. What is the deal.

Based on the paper it looks like the gate stays. BOO-HOO for Valley Oaks. It's gonna be a longer drive.
sarah

Arnold, MO

#15 Jul 25, 2011
There you go again putting down people. It must be a way of life for the Valley Oaks people to put people down but yet accuse the ambrose crossing people of doing so.
Vince

Ballwin, MO

#16 Jul 26, 2011
Too bad the Ambrose people can't afford a better subdivision.
Matt

Arnold, MO

#17 Jul 26, 2011
Why would they want one? It was good enough for you to use their roads before it was cut off and you all whinned like babies trying to say it was all about safety. Yeah Right! They like their subdivision just the way it is.
PATRICK STOLL

United States

#18 Oct 24, 2011
watched today as the gate did not open for ambulance and fire truck ambulance had to go around fire fighters had to get out and it took about 3 mins for them to finally open it enough to get thru when someone dies on the other side all of this banter will be pointless LETS GO ROCK FIRE DIST
Poppy

Festus, MO

#19 Oct 25, 2011
AHAHHAHA look a these wanna be snobs thinking they are far more superior so they need a gate to separate them from the awful poor people next door. Wwwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh we wanna keep our special gate wawwwahhhhhh waaahhhhwwwwahhhh, Get over yourselves! I hope the good ole fire dept comes and removes it so you pinched off terds can cry about it some more.
Jay

Imperial, MO

#20 Nov 8, 2011
I love the gate! Would love to see it stay in place as it affords the kids on both sides a safer place to do thier thang! The problem is that it fails to work nearly every time their is a 911 call and the EMT's are directed through the higharcy known as Ambrose Crossing. My lot backs up to the 911 speed bump and have witnessed most of the occasions of failure first hand. Just last week, the fire department did EVERYTHING right from sounding there horns long enough, entering the code, and using the key. All attempts failed and it took 3 firefighters to strugle the gate open. The ambulance, 2nd on call, had to back up and reroute through Frisco Hill in order to get to their medical emergancy. All along Valley Oaks has only requested that this gate have a fail safe systems - bump through. So that if the gate electronics, made probably in china, fail an emergancy response team could push through.

The heartbreaking part of this entire thing is that the Ambrose community has shown absolutely no concern or empathy to the families that they have had a negative effect on. Not one phone call to the families/victims of delayed repsonses! I'm curious as to why they didn't install this gate at the front of their entrance allowing only their residance an entrance pass?? This would have accomplished the same objective for them? Oh, that's right - they don't want there 911 calls to be delayed!

This is not just about traffic and road repair as one of the deciding directors for the Fire Dept. lives in the Ambrose Sub. Additionaly, the Seckman student that live in Valley Oaks have been instructed by the school board not to use the bus stop in Ambrose. Funny, isn't there a Seckman school bus driver that lives in Ambrose?

I guess it will take someone dieing for a decision maker to make the right decision here. Oh wait, that has already happened too when the ambulance responding to a heart attack victim stopped at the flag stakes, before the gate went in, and they coudln't get to him in time.
Melissa

Chicago, IL

#21 Nov 17, 2011
Where was the empathy the last 11 years as AC streets were being overran with VO cars? VO is making fools of themselves. We asked for your help the years and years before the gate had to go up. No response. We put up speed humps and flex stakes to ask VO to slow down. No Response! Watching when someone comes out of their house, walks near the gate, residents talk to each other for an extended period of time, peeking out your house windows at us. Fools!
No one in VO complained while AC was getting approval for the gate. It's a little too late.... lol! You don't like it?? MMMMOOOOVVVVEEE!!!
Tom

Chicago, IL

#22 Dec 12, 2011
Love the above comments Here are the facts.... A bridge was suppose to be built by the Lindbergh Properties developer - he opted not to do it because it saved HIM money --- SUE HIM!!!! Didn't you people EVER wonder what that huge parcel of land was left open for behind the street that just stops? If you had your bridge you wouldn't have to use other PRIVATE subdivision. Do a little research before you point your finger.
Keep on fighting -- it's fun to watch your ignorance.
Mickey Mouse

Arnold, MO

#23 Jan 16, 2012
Never say never. It is never to late to have justice. VO did offer 4k to pay for the right away. AC is mean very mean and lacks compassion and empathy for the community.

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