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Letusnamenames

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And I'm glad you scored high on those tests. About 90% of people that are in AP classes score high on those. However, it doesn't necessarily mean they have any common sense which is what I fear in your case.
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OMG , Barnum and Bailey's has just begun.
Step right up folks any and all disgruntled city employees. City hall is frivolously giving away the bank. Free Money!
If boonedogle can demand free money for false claims.
So can you. Times are tuff so get all you can while the gettins good. It doesn't matter if they break the law doing it. Pee wee says its OK !

howdy doody unrein got his, boonedoggle getting hers, they will probably hand over boss hogg shockey's next month. What do you wanna bet that's what his lame azz suit is about ?
Now why hasn't any action taken place in the legitimate ott case Hmmmm ? Oh no it just doesn't work that way in the good ol boys club. Real cases are shoved forward for years.
I vote next month moss gets a huge chunk. Fair is fair.
The Mayor and company took him in the back room and threatened him . Much more severe than boones false claims proved. I hope moss demands it today.
Moss get your ransom letter in today ! Obviously its working .
Matt Hay

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Letusnamenames wrote:
What do the sections around it say? You all h e a HUGE habit of only taking the small piece that looks good but when the whole law is displayed it is clear that you all are wrong.
So post the whole law and not the section.
That is the whole law 77.105, there are no subsections to this section, which I think is what you are referring to. A section of statute is read by itself and its its own law. The only thing larger than a section is the entire Chapter 77 which all relate to other things. This is the Chapter and the only thing larger: http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C077.HTM

77.105 RSMo is its own context.
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Letusnamenames wrote:
And I'm glad you scored high on those tests. About 90% of people that are in AP classes score high on those. However, it doesn't necessarily mean they have any common sense which is what I fear in your case.
90% of people get 4's on AP Exams? What district is that in? Only 20-30% max depending on the subject score a 4 or 5. That is the College Boards expected distribution, and is usually much less. My point was, reading a statute requires literacy, and the ability to grasp the ideas that the words represent. It does not require "common sense." The whole point of statute is to eliminate arbitrary understandings and divinations of meanings. Again, if I am wrong, where and what is your counter argument?
Lettucenamenames

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Mar 1, 2013
 
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And I'm glad you scored high on those tests. About 90% of people that are in AP classes score high on those. However, it doesn't necessarily mean they have any common sense which is what I fear in your case.
Says the person who claims to be a clinical psychologist.
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Says the person who claims to be a clinical psychologist.
Hahaha clinical psychologist my arse!
Her degree is from going. Must be costing a pretty penny.
Just because you sit in a garage . Doesn't make you a mechanic !
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Mar 1, 2013
 
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It looks as if seven were there, but Moss was not allowed to vote as he is named in the issue specifically. That is how they ended up with a tie that the mayor broke.
If there were seven people in the room and six voted, I am not understanding the question about the quorum.
Now the question is, will the city council end up paying off Mr. Moss also, or will this end up being in court anyway...
What happens to the settlement when Ms. Boone is drug into court? Sick feeling that this is not over, and there will be a lot more money involved for the Taxpayers of Arnold.
What say you Dave Venable? Am I wrong in my understanding and the applicability of 77.105 RSMo? Since you were on the Council previously as well, I am sure you have some thoughts.
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Mar 1, 2013
 
Any of u interested in doing anything about ur grossly mishandled school district or too busy with city messes in genrals? Just wonderin!
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What we have here is Doris Borgelt, candidate for mayor, and former councilman Matt Hay, practicing law again without training or credentials. On 16 AUG 2012, when the city council approved the FY 2013 budget, we renewed the contract with MIRMA as our insurer. Doris cast the very first vote of the city council in favor of adopting the budget. The vote was 7-1. Doris is on the budget committee and you think she might know something about it. The minutes are online and easily verified.

At Thursday’s council meeting, a majority of the city council approved the fulfillment of a contractual obligation. We did not authorize an expenditure of additional funds. All we did was to approve the fulfillment of a contractual obligation with MIRMA. As Ken Moss was the principal in the Boone matter, he holds a private interest and was rightly excluded from the vote. It was only fair that the vote was made by an impartial panel. It was. Under RSMO 77.250, the mayor of a third class city is allowed to cast a tie breaking vote. He did so.

Doris and Matt may howl as loudly as they wish but the simple fact is Doris was once again outplayed. She wants to be cutesy and play games with the money held in reserve by the citizens of Arnold. The madness of this harassment issue had to be settled and it was. Ken Moss also howled that he was unfairly denied a vote in the matter. He is familiar with the civil court. File another suit. The citizens have had enough. Time to move on.
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Hahaha clinical psychologist my arse!
Her degree is from going. Must be costing a pretty penny.
Just because you sit in a garage . Doesn't make you a mechanic !
And sitting in an arm chair reading legal websites doesn't make you a lawyer.
Bill the Morons

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Contractual obligation, what a stretch that is! The council expended funds, there was a 3-3 tie, in order to expend funds a majority of all those elected would be a total of five affirmative votes, there were only three affirmative votes from those elected to the Arnold City Council. Look at any other Third Class city governing body. Look at the minutes from previous Arnold councils.
77.105. The budget or any authorization to expend funds shall be approved by an ordinance, motion, or resolution that is approved by a majority of all the members elected to the governing body.

Mr. Moritz thinks this is a game, he's playing with your money, giving it away thousands and thousands at a time. His buddy Ron Counts is in the habit of giving money away. Remember all that money he gave Diane Bourisaw from the school district? Then there was that 1.5 million discrepancy in the budget,$75,000 grant the city administrator couldn't seem to spend improving the north end of Jeffco before it had to be returned to the state, then the $70,000 parting gift the city administrator was given when he "resigned" then the $55,000 given away to the parks director because someone told her someone called her a name. Where does it end? Get the idiots that are in favor of just doling taxpayer money out like candy out of there. The people who should be paying that last %55,000 are Ronnie Counts, little Bobbie Sweeney and Bob Shockey, they are the ones who gave it all away with their "leaks" to the newspaper.
ARNOLD MISSOURI IS THE MOST CORRUPT CITY GOVERNMENT IN JEFFERSON COUNTY!!!!! BAR NONE!
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Mar 1, 2013
 
If they give money away can I get sum? I need 10k! Who do talk to? Seriously!
Bill the Morons

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Is this closer to home for you Bill? Can you understand this? Maybe share it with your lawyer friend Sweeney so he can understand the law too!
A bill to require a doctor's prescription to purchase pseudoephedrine from Fenton pharmacies received more "yes" votes than "no" votes Thursday night, but it still will not become the law of the city.

The prescription-only bill apparently had been approved on a 4-2 vote. But the victory for proponents of the bill was short-lived. The reason? Even though the proposed law received a majority of aldermanic votes at Thursday's meeting, it did not achieve a majority of the full board, which is constituted to have eight members. One aldermanic seat is vacant after Alderman Jerry Sorge, Ward 2, moved from the city last fall. And, Alderman Gary Fischer, Ward 4, was absent Thursday. So, with four votes to approve the prescription-only bill, it did not meet the legal requirement of a majority of the full board. Five votes would have been necessary for approval.
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Bill the Morons wrote:
Is this closer to home for you Bill? Can you understand this? Maybe share it with your lawyer friend Sweeney so he can understand the law too!
A bill to require a doctor's prescription to purchase pseudoephedrine from Fenton pharmacies received more "yes" votes than "no" votes Thursday night, but it still will not become the law of the city.
The prescription-only bill apparently had been approved on a 4-2 vote. But the victory for proponents of the bill was short-lived. The reason? Even though the proposed law received a majority of aldermanic votes at Thursday's meeting, it did not achieve a majority of the full board, which is constituted to have eight members. One aldermanic seat is vacant after Alderman Jerry Sorge, Ward 2, moved from the city last fall. And, Alderman Gary Fischer, Ward 4, was absent Thursday. So, with four votes to approve the prescription-only bill, it did not meet the legal requirement of a majority of the full board. Five votes would have been necessary for approval.
Bill knows this, which is why I hear he was working so hard to intimidate Sandy Kownacki to vote to settle. That was Plan A. He would not have spent so much time if he did not need her vote. Plan B was to try and pull a fast one and hope no one called them on their selective amnesia on state statutes. Corrupt Allowance of claim seems like an apropos term for what is being attempted.
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Lost in the sea of misdirection is the fact that MIRMA ( the City's insurance company) and Bob Krehbiel (the attorney hired by MIRMA to represent the City) recommended that the City accept this mediated resolution to the complaint. Neither MIRMA nor Mr. Krehbiel have a dog in the fight. Both are completely independent and handle this type of case regularly. Mr. Moss' guilt or innocence is not at issue, nor is the quality of the investigation. MIRMA and Mr. Krehbiel's professional and independent opinions were that it was it the City's best interest to accept this resolution. The three Council people who rejected this advice (substituting their own legal expertise) were not acting in the City's best interests, as they were elected to do. The citizens of ARNOLD are tired of this gamesmanship. The residents want the Council to concentrate on City business and stop this nonsense.
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No, lost in the sea of misdirection is the fact that the Mayor, the city attorney and the city administrator gave Ms. Boone $55,000, because they did not follow standard procedure and very openly admitted guilt when there was NONE!
All was started when the Mayor was hell-bent on removing Mr. Moss from office. Had Mr. Moss been intimidated being triple teamed by those very people and walked away, they would have never held press conferences with the Leader about any of this.
If I weren't running for Mayor, the rest wouldn't be splashed all over the media. You didn't hear anything about the harassment case against Conarow, Shockey and the City of Arnold brought by Officer Ott! No two pages every week of those three telling everyone how terrible it is for someone to allegedly threaten the life of an officer's spouse in order to get in her pants and alledgedly not a thing being done about it by the superiors! Note, they just said all of those things occurred, there was never an "alleged" prefacing any of their statements.
Those three, along with the release of their not so"independent" investigation set the city up for that payout and opened the doors for anyone else looking for a big handout bonus check in the form of a settlement. When they gave the former city administrator the $70,000 parting gift, the wheels started turning. As a council member, I can only speculate why Mr. Unrein resigned, but it is not standard operating procedure to resign and get a severance, severance is something you get when you are fired without cause. The information leading to his swift and expensive departure was only shared with the treasurer, the city administrator and of course the city attorney, along with those certain council members, you know, those who are "inner sanctum" members.
There was no substitution of legal expertise, it's called knowing the difference between right and wrong! Rewarding someone with $50,000 when there was proof dispelling their claims and no proof supporting those claims is wrong. Any rational, logical person would see that the taxpayers of Arnold were just taken to the cleaners by Mayor Counts, Chief/Administrator Shockey and the one who made it all happen, Mr. Money Bags aka Bob Sweeney, the adviser in chief!(He's the one who makes money win, lose or draw!)
The truth is not nonsense. This city has been burdened under a cloak of corruption for many years. Seriously, I don't know how they suck people into their abyss, but have watched it happen many times. I will continue to stand up against these sordid main characters and their supporting actors plucked from their sphere of influence. You can join me in eradicating these liars, cheaters and thieves from our local city government or continue to listen and believe their BS, it's your choice. Your voice really does matter at the local level if you are willing to raise it!
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An Adult wrote:
Lost in the sea of misdirection is the fact that MIRMA ( the City's insurance company) and Bob Krehbiel (the attorney hired by MIRMA to represent the City) recommended that the City accept this mediated resolution to the complaint. Neither MIRMA nor Mr. Krehbiel have a dog in the fight. Both are completely independent and handle this type of case regularly. Mr. Moss' guilt or innocence is not at issue, nor is the quality of the investigation. MIRMA and Mr. Krehbiel's professional and independent opinions were that it was it the City's best interest to accept this resolution. The three Council people who rejected this advice (substituting their own legal expertise) were not acting in the City's best interests, as they were elected to do. The citizens of ARNOLD are tired of this gamesmanship. The residents want the Council to concentrate on City business and stop this nonsense.
Mr. Krehbiel is not independent. Mr. Krehbiel represents MIRMA and MIRMA's interests, not those of the City of Arnold. So, when your auto insurance company says, "Just take the settlement" are they necessary acting in your best interests? Mr. Krehbiel has a legal and fiduciary interest to represent his client, MIRMA. The Council Members have a legal and fiduciary interest in representing the tax payers. Mr. Krehbiel need only care about mitigating risk to the fiscal impact to MIRMA versus the Council Members responsibility to not only the fiscal issues, but also the tangential issues related to the employment related impacts of such a settlement with Ms. Boone. Mr. Krehbiel could "give not a sheep's wool" about those tangential impacts and repercussions, nor should he, it isn't his job, it is the Council's which you seem so willing to quickly disregard and ignore.
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Matt, maybe if you quit trying to show off your vocabulary and used smaller words that the commoners can understand you would have more credibility. You appear to be hiding things purposefully by using those huge words to show off. And you are no lawyer and only practice law from you arm chair. You don't know the intent of any ody just as Doris doesn't.

Maybe if you all didn't cry conspiracy much with no proof we wouldn't have half of these messes. Who's costing the city $75K because of her harassment of a local business? Who's costing us increases legal fees with all of her baseless accusations? That's right, it's Doris. The city administrator probably resigned because he couldn't deal with her nonsense anymore. Why would he tell her that directly to her face so she could harass him like she is Shockey, Sweeney and Counts?

You all cry and whine yet you lose in court (costing the taxpayers money), never provide proof of your accusations and never file formal complaints about half the stuff you bring up (because you have no proof). As a resident of Ward 1 I have seen nothing get done. What has Doris done for us? She has used her position to try to dig up dirt instead of helping us. She will do the same as Mayor. She only wants the position to look for dirt instead of helping the citizens. We want someone to help us and that won't use their position to further a personal vendetta.
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Mar 2, 2013
 
Letusnamenames wrote:
Matt, maybe if you quit trying to show off your vocabulary and used smaller words that the commoners can understand you would have more credibility.
When I was in Med school getting my psych degree, I made my professors refer to the different parts of the brain as the 'noggin'. Now all of my esteemed colleagues use this term as well in order to relate to our clients. Our most common diagnosis is "he ain't right" also. Common people tend to understand that.
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Mar 2, 2013
 
Dang, I misspelled my own name. Must be something wrong with my noggin!

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