Warning about FHTM Meetings

Warning about FHTM Meetings

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Chris

Jonesboro, AR

#1 Jun 7, 2009
Have you been asked to attend a meeting on Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing?

FHTM is a 'marketing' company that is recruiting new members in the Northeast Arkansas area. Some people claim this is the best business opportunity ever, some say it’s nothing but a pyramid scam.

Here are some links you might want to check out before going to a meeting

http://www.abetterway.ws - A video you will likely see at a meeting
http://www.arkansasag.gov/consumers_tips_netw... - Arkansas Attorney General's warnings about Pyramids/Network Marketing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme - Explains how pyramid scams work and why they ALWAYS fail

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-plains-m... - See what others are saying about FHTM, check out the West Plains forum on Topix.com

If you are asked to attend or join FHTM at one of these meetings, Please:
1) LEAVE YOUR CHECKBOOK AND CREDIT CARDS AT HOME!
2) Don't get caught up in the emotions of the moment
3) Don't believe everything you hear about their big success stories. The full screen lawyer size fine print (on screen for about 10 seconds) in one of their videos I saw states the income potentials shown in the video represent the top 1% of all FHTM reps.

They may tell you something like “The longer you wait, the more money you are going to lose. Why not just join now and get started tonight?” Compare this to one of the Attorney General’s warning signs:

“GROUND-FLOOR OPPORTUNITY - If the promoter urges you to join now because the program offers a "ground-floor opportunity" and it is urgent that you enter immediately to take advantage of this opportunity, BEWARE! Any program that offers substantial income opportunities only to those persons who become involved early in the promotion is, by its nature, an illegal pyramid scheme. Any legitimate marketing program will provide the same income opportunities to all participants, no matter when the participant joins.”

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“U never saw a cat in a hat B4?”

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#2 Jun 9, 2009
Good advice. I've heard of these people. Everything I've seen says it's a pyramid scam. I checked out FHTM on the Better Business website http://www.bbb.org and on a scale of A+ to F, FHTM gets a rating of C-

Would you do business with a bank if they were rated a C-?

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“U never saw a cat in a hat B4?”

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#3 Jun 12, 2009
and the FHTM rating continues to drop...

as of today (Friday, June 12) their Better Business rating has been lowered to "F"

http://www.lexington.bbb.org/commonreport.htm...
Chris

Jonesboro, AR

#4 Jun 19, 2009
Don't know if anyone is actually reading this thread, you reply or not - doesn't matter. Just hope some people are reading it and check out the warnings about FHTM.

More signs to watch for:

http://www.mlmwatch.org/01General/misrepresen...

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chrisandadamknow nothing

United States

#5 Aug 7, 2009
first of all to be listed on BBB the company has to PAY to be listed or you get an F....
FHTM is an awesome company there are so many people making all kinds of money..

Chris must have been a rep that sat on his butt doing nothing expecting money to drop in his lap

It is not an easy business there is a lot of work to do in the beginning...

I know we have been reps for 2 1/2 months now and we were already promoted to Regional Manager... and we are making enough money to pay our bills
planning to join

Whittier, CA

#6 Aug 14, 2009
I hav enot join yet, but do have 20 yrs of network marketing experience. I have never seen anything so fairly structured to conpensate reps than FHTM. If you have not put time into to it then you shouldn';t say things you don't really know.

“U never saw a cat in a hat B4?”

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What's Not to Love?

#7 Aug 18, 2009
chrisandadamknownothing wrote:
first of all to be listed on BBB the company has to PAY to be listed or you get an F....
First of all... your comment is interesting, FALSE, but interesting. Companies do not pay for a listing. If they seek a BBB Accreditation, yes they do have to pay a fee for that. From the BBB regarding accreditation:

"Businesses are under no obligation to seek BBB accreditation, and some businesses are not accredited because they have not sought BBB accreditation.

To be accredited by BBB, a business must apply for accreditation and BBB must determine that the business meets BBB accreditation standards, which include a commitment to make a good faith effort to resolve any consumer complaints. BBB Accredited Businesses must pay a fee for accreditation review/monitoring and for support of BBB services to the public."

Many companies are not (or do not seek to be) accredited by the BBB and have higher than F reliability ratings... One such example, FHTM, currently (Aug 18) at C+. Don't get too excited, I suspect that is just temporary.

Would you do business with a bank if it was rated at C+?

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Chris

Jonesboro, AR

#8 Aug 25, 2009
chrisandadamknownothing wrote:
Chris must have been a rep that sat on his butt doing nothing expecting money to drop in his lap
Chris knows enough to stay away from FHTM.
Ron

San Antonio, TX

#9 Sep 23, 2009
Apparently you need to take some time to research what you comment about because the rating happens to be a B time.For an unmotivated individual that is happy with minimum wage apparently this way to make yourself financially independent is not for you.For those of you who are not followers and believe everything you read you should take a look for yourself. Why are law firms,police officers,business owners,managers of high end business's,etc. joining? Because they are stupid? I think not.
AdamTh wrote:
and the FHTM rating continues to drop...
as of today (Friday, June 12) their Better Business rating has been lowered to "F"
http://www.lexington.bbb.org/commonreport.htm...
Moral Values

Columbus, OH

#11 Sep 24, 2009
Ron wrote:
Apparently you need to take some time to research what you comment about because the rating happens to be a B time.For an unmotivated individual that is happy with minimum wage apparently this way to make yourself financially independent is not for you.For those of you who are not followers and believe everything you read you should take a look for yourself. Why are law firms,police officers,business owners,managers of high end business's,etc. joining? Because they are stupid? I think not. <quoted text>
Listen to yourself!

You sound like someone who just got done attending a cult meeting chanting ritual brainwashed repetitive words. That is enough to realize what people are getting involved with in fhtm.

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Chris

Jonesboro, AR

#12 Sep 25, 2009
Ron wrote:
Apparently you need to take some time to research what you comment about because the rating happens to be a B time.For an unmotivated individual that is happy with minimum wage apparently this way to make yourself financially independent is not for you.For those of you who are not followers and believe everything you read you should take a look for yourself. Why are law firms,police officers,business owners,managers of high end business's,etc. joining? Because they are stupid? I think not. <quoted text>
Hello Ron and welcome to Imboden.

I'm a little curious why you would choose to reply to the message where the rating was listed as F. There are at least 3 ratings listed with the date of each shown. I haven't personally checked the BBB rating today (Sep 25), if you say it's a B, that's good. The ratings for FHTM have been all over the BBB board this year.

I recently read an interesting post in the West Plains forum. It was something along the lines of 'if such large amounts of money are a virtual certainty with FHTM, couldn't FHTM just withhold all the fees from the reps first few paychecks instead of collecting the fees upfront?’

What do you think? Do you think they might go for that idea?

I’m not trying to speak for Adam here, just me.

And Chris still knows enough to stay away from FHTM.
Tim

Winterville, NC

#13 Oct 2, 2009
AdamTh wrote:
and the FHTM rating continues to drop...
as of today (Friday, June 12) their Better Business rating has been lowered to "F"
http://www.lexington.bbb.org/commonreport.htm...
It is now a "B", why would you say it is an "F"? I read everything I could find on this company (including a lot of lies like this). I met the owner, and I am now totally convinced it is a legitimate company that is bringing a lot of income to people I know. I have SEEN their checks. It is real.
Chris

Jonesboro, AR

#14 Oct 2, 2009
Tim wrote:
<quoted text>
It is now a "B", why would you say it is an "F"? I read everything I could find on this company (including a lot of lies like this). I met the owner, and I am now totally convinced it is a legitimate company that is bringing a lot of income to people I know. I have SEEN their checks. It is real.
Tim, if you say you did a lot of reading, I'll take your word for it. But I'd like to ask you to read a little bit more. In Adam's post that you replied to, can you tell us what the date is? It's that thing in (....) right after the word 'today' in Adam's post. It's not the stuff in (....) you wrote in your post right after the word 'company'. What is that date? Take your time.

I was also tracking the ratings during that period. I can promise you FHTM's BBB rating was as shown for that date.

You've met Paul? Really? That's great. The next time you chat with Paul can you ask him if FHTM will agree to withhold the new rep's fees from their first couple paychecks instead of collecting all the fees up front? Thank you.
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Oh, if you're still looking for that rating date, it was Friday, June 12.
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And Chris still knows enough to stay away from FHTM.

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Boob factory

Springfield, MO

#15 Oct 2, 2009
Tim wrote:
<quoted text>
It is now a "B", why would you say it is an "F"? I read everything I could find on this company (including a lot of lies like this). I met the owner, and I am now totally convinced it is a legitimate company that is bringing a lot of income to people I know. I have SEEN their checks. It is real.
You are a liar Tim. Go write some more tickets.
big daddy

Portland, OR

#16 Oct 7, 2009
I am looking at joining FHTM. It seems to me all of the money is being made by enrolling reps. I keep asking big earners to tell me how much of their check is from product monthly residual income.

The annual $200 "renewal fee" and "coaching fees" do not get paid to the enroller. Supposedly FHTM has 100,000 reps now:$200 x 100,000 =$20,000,000/year in renewal fees alone that are not paid back to the enrollers. Plus there is a coaching training camp that costs an additional $200 and this after one pays $300 to become a training coach.

Would someone who is a marketing rep please address these concerns.

Thank you.

“U never saw a cat in a hat B4?”

Since: Jan 09

What's Not to Love?

#17 Oct 7, 2009
big daddy wrote:
I am looking at joining FHTM. It seems to me all of the money is being made by enrolling reps. I keep asking big earners to tell me how much of their check is from product monthly residual income.
The annual $200 "renewal fee" and "coaching fees" do not get paid to the enroller. Supposedly FHTM has 100,000 reps now:$200 x 100,000 =$20,000,000/year in renewal fees alone that are not paid back to the enrollers. Plus there is a coaching training camp that costs an additional $200 and this after one pays $300 to become a training coach.
Would someone who is a marketing rep please address these concerns.
Thank you.
I'd heard there were a lot of 'surprise' fees, but I hadn't heard about the $200 training camp or the $200 'renewal' fee. I'm beginning to think these people have more fees than a bank.

I'm curious about something you may have heard at the meetings. Did you ever hear these or similar lines:

‘We don’t know how much longer they will let us make this special offer.’

‘You can wait and think about it for a couple weeks, but everyone that joins tonight will be ahead of you. They will already be up here, and you will just be starting down here.’

‘We don’t know when they will let us come back in this area again.’
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If you heard these or similar lines, what did you think about them?

No trick question here, I'm just curious if you heard the same stuff I did.

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Moral values

Columbus, OH

#18 Oct 8, 2009
AdamTh wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd heard there were a lot of 'surprise' fees, but I hadn't heard about the $200 training camp or the $200 'renewal' fee. I'm beginning to think these people have more fees than a bank.
I'm curious about something you may have heard at the meetings. Did you ever hear these or similar lines:
‘We don’t know how much longer they will let us make this special offer.’
‘You can wait and think about it for a couple weeks, but everyone that joins tonight will be ahead of you. They will already be up here, and you will just be starting down here.’
‘We don’t know when they will let us come back in this area again.’
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If you heard these or similar lines, what did you think about them?
No trick question here, I'm just curious if you heard the same stuff I did.
It sounds like a fear-of-lose tactic. Just more tricks for a con to swindle the desperate and wary.

FHTM is following history, The Great Depression, taking advantage of unemployed people. Back then door-to-door sales was huge. Now-a-days with more stability in the economy people turn to MLM schemes like FHTM. They are tricked into thinking they will lose a huge opportunity if they don't join that day. Red Flag!

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#19 Oct 8, 2009
Moral values wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds like a fear-of-lose tactic. Just more tricks for a con to swindle the desperate and wary.
FHTM is following history, The Great Depression, taking advantage of unemployed people. Back then door-to-door sales was huge. Now-a-days with more stability in the economy people turn to MLM schemes like FHTM. They are tricked into thinking they will lose a huge opportunity if they don't join that day. Red Flag!
BINGO! That’s it.‘Confuse them, then scare them’.

A friend of mine posted those same lines a little later but added more info including a paragraph from the AR AG website.

Chris’s post in the West Plains group:
Chris wrote:
Lines you may hear at a recruiting meeting

‘We don’t know how much longer they will let us make this special offer.’

‘You can wait and think about it for a couple weeks, but everyone that joins tonight will be ahead of you. They will already be up here, and you will just be getting started down here.’

‘We don’t know when they will let us come back in this area again.’

If you are at a meeting and you hear any of these lines or similar lines, GET UP AND LEAVE IMMEDIATELY! Lines like these are designed to scare you into making a rushed decision right then. DON’T DO IT!

From the Arkansas Attorney General about 'Rushed' or 'Ground-Floor Opportunity' pressure tactics:

GROUND-FLOOR OPPORTUNITY - If the promoter urges you to join now because the program offers a "ground-floor opportunity" and it is urgent that you enter immediately to take advantage of this opportunity, BEWARE! Any program that offers substantial income opportunities only to those persons who become involved early in the promotion is, by its nature, an illegal pyramid scheme. Any legitimate marketing program will provide the same income opportunities to all participants, no matter when the participant joins.

The complete advisory list on network marketing programs.

http://www.ag.arkansas.gov/consumers_consumer...

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Scott

Myrtle Beach, SC

#20 Oct 13, 2009
I've been with FHTM for 2 years, my last residual check was $5100,$5050, and $5250. My bonus check last week was $900.

Let me ask you something, if FHTM is so "illegal" then why did Charles Ergen, the owner of Dish Network fly himself to the headquarters to sign the contract with FHTM. Why is General Electric, or Verizon, or Travelocity, or T-Mobile or Dupont partnered with them? Why would they take the headaches?

Why is the Attorney General of Virginia, now running for governor holding meetings in his house for FHTM? Why is Jim Miles, former Secretary of State for SC, and legal counsel for the Lieutenant Governor for SC a member of FHTM? Why is Patrick Gotschalk, Virginia Secretary of Commerce working with FHTM. Other notable people who have joined FHTM are Evander Holyfield, Miss Universe 2009 (she was at the past convention last month) Chris Rock, Ned Jarret, Jeff Gordon, Jerry Fallwell, Jr and Wendell Murphy. Wendell owns Murphy Farms, he is a BILLIONAIRE, and I was just on his yacht 3 weeks ago doing a busienss presentation in Wilmington, NC. Jack Cotten, worth over $700 million(owned Blimpis, Scotchman's and Dairy Queens throughout the south). Why is he now working with FHTM? How about Brain Sexton, radio voice for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Gave up a 6 figure year job to do FHTM fulltime.

You idiots say any network marketing company is illegal. Donald Trump just started his own MLM company. Amway has been in business for 50 years and is MLM. Just becuase its MLM, or pyramid setup, you guys call it illegal. Amway, Quixstar, Avon, Mary Kay, Tupperware and several vacuum companies and even more nutritional companies are doing just fine, and are far from illegal. FHTM is just like Amway, people buy their products and make a commission.

A pyramid scheme doesn't have products. FHTM does, aligned with top nationally known Fortune 100 companies. In a pyramid scheme you can't make more money than the person above you. Or make more money than someone you came in before you. That isn't true with FHTM. You are paid for the work you do, and it breaks off after regional manager.

Who are we to believe, 19th richest man in the US, who owns Dish Network, who obviously saw that it was a good company, or some geek living in his mothers basement?

Get you facts straight before you call something "illegal" when you don't even know what you're talking about.

I have never missed a paycheck. The 8 years they've been open they never missed a paycheck. They charge $299 to weedout the idiots that will waist their time. If they just let anyone in, every idiot in the world would try and do it. They charge $299 because they only want people who have a brain, and want to make something of themselves. As for me, anyone in my downline, its an interview process. If you aren't smart enough to be able to come up with a lousy $299, then I don't want you working for me anyway. You aren't worth the trouble. You would quit, because your lazy.
Scott

Myrtle Beach, SC

#21 Oct 13, 2009
By the way, the reason you get an F rating with the BBB is if you don't answer the BBB when they mail you a letter. I run a real estate firm in Myrtle Beach, SC, and we get about 20 BBB letters a year, and we're just a small company. FHTM has about the same number of complaints, considering they have several hundred thousand reps, 30 ain't bad.

FHTM doesn't answer the BBB letters probably for the same reason I don't with my company. It isn't worth my time. You can't make those people happy, so why bother? They know the ones who complain, are the ones who were dumb enough to think that all they had to do was "sign up" and they'd be rich. No, if it was easy, everyone would do it. When I first got started I worked 20 hours a week, after I worked my regular job. It takes work. But where else can you spend $299 and have the opportunity to make a lot of money? If you don't like it, go buy a Wendy's or McDonalds franchise.

And you guys think $299 is bad, look up Donald Trumps new MLM. Its over $500. So yeah, I'll pay $299 and $200 a year to make $80,000 a year. Like I said, if I call on someone to be in my downline, and they don't have $299, they obviously aren't very smart, because that isn't a lot of money. All of the people in my downline were successful before starting FHTM, and thats why about 99% of them are still with the company, making money.

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