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Does Ilion have the right Village attorney

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PEZ GOLF

Saranac Lake, NY

#1 Apr 14, 2009
Linda---thanks and I am reviewing the information tonight. Mitch Pezdek, Jr.

--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Linda Coffin <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Linda Coffin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: FOIL Request
To: "Mitch Pezdek" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 2:01 PM

Mitch Pezdek

This email is in response to the FOIL request made and later clarified concerning the budgeted amount for the Village Attorney for the current fiscal year. Please find attached that information broke down as requested according to departments.

In regards to the second request for a breakdown of court cases that Hage & Hage has represented the Village. Your clarification email as below asked for something a little different. However I am attaching an accounting spreadsheet that shows the expenses as paid to Hage & Hage which includes retainer as well as consulting and research work on behalf of the Village of Ilion.

Thank you for contacting the Village of Ilion with your request. Please acknowledge receipt of this email.

Have a great day.


Linda Coffin
RMO

WE WILL SOON KNOW IF THE ILION TAXPAYERS ARE REPRESENTED BY THE RIGHT ATTORNEY.
How Do You Know

Syracuse, NY

#2 Apr 14, 2009
Pez, you have gone on and on ad nauseum about all your purported qualifications and knowledge all over this forum for quite some time. You have never exhibited any knowledge or abilities that would qualify you to determine whether or not the Village of Ilion is represented by the "right" attorney. Since you have no knowledge or qualifications, what will be the objective standard that you use to make this determination oh lofty one?

Your expected lack of a sound determination will taint all future evaluations. Why don't you do the right thing and get this to a qualified person, and not one of your fantasy posters/imposters, such as Father Frank? Only the demented few will give your evaluation any credibility.
PoundNPez

United States

#3 Apr 14, 2009
Father Dr Pez Mitch DWI Charged Tax Avoider Story Teller Monitor DEC Disputer Legal Eagle-Maybe if you took the time to attend last night budget meeting you would have been able to ask JK Hage himself. But instead you you blog in caps, with your usual uniformed suspect comments.
PEZ GOLF

Saranac Lake, NY

#4 Apr 14, 2009
PoundNPez wrote:
Father Dr Pez Mitch DWI Charged Tax Avoider Story Teller Monitor DEC Disputer Legal Eagle-Maybe if you took the time to attend last night budget meeting you would have been able to ask JK Hage himself. But instead you you blog in caps, with your usual uniformed suspect comments.
What did JK Hage do about the original orders sent to the Village WARNING the Village officials that they had to comply or else? Did he read them? Did he advise the Village Board to comply and the Board refused to do so? What did he do and when did he do it? We will soon know.

Blame must be established for failure to comply over the past two years. Who is going to step forward and admit that he or they are to blame?
HOLICOW

Boonville, NY

#5 Apr 14, 2009
PEZ GOLF wrote:
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What did JK Hage do about the original orders sent to the Village WARNING the Village officials that they had to comply or else? Did he read them? Did he advise the Village Board to comply and the Board refused to do so? What did he do and when did he do it? We will soon know.
Blame must be established for failure to comply over the past two years. Who is going to step forward and admit that he or they are to blame?
You really should, since you are the one primarily responsible. It is a shame that the Village had to go out and hire more expensive legal people, but we can all thank self serving individuals like yourself for that. Give yourself a big pat on the back, no one else will. I see they really think a lot of in in Small Falls too.
Holicow

Syracuse, NY

#6 Apr 15, 2009
HOLICOW wrote:
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You really should, since you are the one primarily responsible. It is a shame that the Village had to go out and hire more expensive legal people, but we can all thank self serving individuals like yourself for that. Give yourself a big pat on the back, no one else will. I see they really think a lot of in in Small Falls too.
You again. Please get a job or go to bed
PEZ GOLF

Saranac Lake, NY

#7 Apr 15, 2009
Holicow wrote:
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You again. Please get a job or go to bed
I have 23 jobs, and work 117-122 hours a week. I have only 3 hours a day to spend sleeping. I work as much in ONE week as SOME people do in three weeks. When I fall into bed, I am asleep BEFORE my head hits the pillow. It is a tough life, but when you own your own business, this is PAR FOR THE COURSE. If YOU own your own business, YOU know what I am writing about.
Hey Pez

Syracuse, NY

#8 Apr 15, 2009
We all worship your work ethic. But it begs the question; "Why do you post here?" You don't have the time and we don't want to hear from you.
Hey Pez

Syracuse, NY

#9 Apr 15, 2009
You never responded to "How Do You Know". Good questions you need to address.
PEZ GOLF

Saranac Lake, NY

#10 Apr 15, 2009
How Do You Know wrote:
Pez, you have gone on and on ad nauseum about all your purported qualifications and knowledge all over this forum for quite some time. You have never exhibited any knowledge or abilities that would qualify you to determine whether or not the Village of Ilion is represented by the "right" attorney. Since you have no knowledge or qualifications, what will be the objective standard that you use to make this determination oh lofty one?
Your expected lack of a sound determination will taint all future evaluations. Why don't you do the right thing and get this to a qualified person, and not one of your fantasy posters/imposters, such as Father Frank? Only the demented few will give your evaluation any credibility.
Here are my qualifications:

1. I was the Head of the Municipal Department for Oneida National Bank from 1975 to 1987. In that position, I had to be knowledgeable about the Municipal Law (NY State), the State Constitution, the laws that apply specificially to school districts, villages, towns, counties, etc.

2. Because of the number of bond, BAN, RAN, TAN, and Capital Note issues that I handled, totaling over $300 million, I dealt extensively with bond counsels in New York City, Syracuse, etc. and with the lawyers for NYCOM, and with the State Comptroller's office.

3. When Robert J. Bennison the Village Attorney for Frankfort was convicted of theft of funds from the Village, the Marina Commission, estates, trusts, etc., I had to represent Oneida National Bank and had discussions and meetings with the new Village Attorney, John Bono, our attorneys, and had to talk to counsel for the Assemby and Senate in Albany as the Legislature had to pass SPECIAL remedial legislation to authorize a bond issue for the Village.

If you want more specific examples, involving the Village of Ilion, and its attornyes, including George Getman, Bob Applegate, etc. and other municipalities, I will be happy to list them.
HOLICOW

Boonville, NY

#11 Apr 15, 2009
You are comparing the issues of the Ilion Village attorney to issues in FRANKFORT in 1987? Pez-get over yourself and fast forward to 2009 and the day of the Attorney for everything. It is for our own good.
PEZ GOLF

Saranac Lake, NY

#12 Apr 15, 2009
HOLICOW wrote:
You are comparing the issues of the Ilion Village attorney to issues in FRANKFORT in 1987? Pez-get over yourself and fast forward to 2009 and the day of the Attorney for everything. It is for our own good.
Then, the Village Board and JK Hage should welcome any research into what he does and whether he has a winning record in court when he represents the taxpayers. One of the questions is whether he is paid too much or not. Another question is whether HE is the best attorney this Village could use. When I hire an attorney for business or personal needs, I make sure that I choose the best I can get.

Also, let me ask you this---- Hage does have an office here in Ilion, and he practices law here, right? Please do not tell me that his office is out-of-town, when we have attorneys right here in Ilion. In the past, did the Village not use Bob Applegate, Jack Manley, George Getman, etc.----all of whom were Ilion attorneys?
Hey Pez

Syracuse, NY

#14 Apr 16, 2009
PEZ GOLF wrote:
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Here are my qualifications:
1. I was the Head of the Municipal Department for Oneida National Bank from 1975 to 1987. In that position, I had to be knowledgeable about the Municipal Law (NY State), the State Constitution, the laws that apply specificially to school districts, villages, towns, counties, etc.
2. Because of the number of bond, BAN, RAN, TAN, and Capital Note issues that I handled, totaling over $300 million, I dealt extensively with bond counsels in New York City, Syracuse, etc. and with the lawyers for NYCOM, and with the State Comptroller's office.
3. When Robert J. Bennison the Village Attorney for Frankfort was convicted of theft of funds from the Village, the Marina Commission, estates, trusts, etc., I had to represent Oneida National Bank and had discussions and meetings with the new Village Attorney, John Bono, our attorneys, and had to talk to counsel for the Assemby and Senate in Albany as the Legislature had to pass SPECIAL remedial legislation to authorize a bond issue for the Village.
If you want more specific examples, involving the Village of Ilion, and its attornyes, including George Getman, Bob Applegate, etc. and other municipalities, I will be happy to list them.
Okay, Pez, I'll accept your historical record. It still does not prove that you have any ability to determine who is the "best" attorney for the Village. You need to be clear about the standards that you will use to determine what "best" means.

Win/Loss rate - most cases are settled out of court.

Fees - Fee per case or fees in total? Will you relate the fees to the case with which the fees are associated?

Location - you indicate that an office in Ilion is one of the standards for determining "best". Is there some sort of qualifying exam for opening a legal practice office in Ilion or is an Ilion office simply a requirement to qualify as "best"?
Perception

Oneida, NY

#16 Apr 16, 2009
Hey Pez wrote:
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Okay, Pez, I'll accept your historical record. It still does not prove that you have any ability to determine who is the "best" attorney for the Village. You need to be clear about the standards that you will use to determine what "best" means.
Win/Loss rate - most cases are settled out of court.
Fees - Fee per case or fees in total? Will you relate the fees to the case with which the fees are associated?
Location - you indicate that an office in Ilion is one of the standards for determining "best". Is there some sort of qualifying exam for opening a legal practice office in Ilion or is an Ilion office simply a requirement to qualify as "best"?
Pez;

Is the Best Attorney in your eye's, the one who allowed an indicted Felon to continue as Police Chief,or the one who represented the village in Alleged sexual discrimination lawsuit, by a former Mayor of a female officer; or is it the one who left this village in legal limbo, to this day, in a Million dollar Workers Compensation lawsuit with Herkimer County? The list is endless.
The problem is not with the Attorney's, but with the Mayor's and Village Boards, who create legal situations that are unethical, and frankly unnecssary!
Mr. Hage's expertise in the Municpal Utilities field has proven successful in obtaining Franchise Fees from Time Warner, paid annually to the Village, as well as electric pole utilization fees by Time Warner and Verizon.
He also serves the Village of Ilion by sitting on the governing board of advisor's on NYMPA'( New York Municapl PowerAssociation),allocating and working with other communities in representing publically owned Utilities, helping to draft legal language and policies that will help keep public electric rates low, and in the jurisdiction of local municipalities, and resdidents.
Mr. Hage has also been beneficial in assiting this village with Go Green Techologies, LED lighting,and in joining with NYCOM,( New York Conferance of Mayors, in drafting letters of Protest to the Govenor's office over unfunded mandates.
The epenses are about the same with Mr. Hage as they were in the past for one village attorney, several consultants, and other law firms that have represented the village in the past.
The criteria for well invested tax payer funds, is like you say in the results.
Please as you advise others, do your home work first, before passing judgement.
PEZ GOLF

Saranac Lake, NY

#17 Apr 16, 2009
Perception wrote:
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Pez;
Is the Best Attorney in your eye's, the one who allowed an indicted Felon to continue as Police Chief,or the one who represented the village in Alleged sexual discrimination lawsuit, by a former Mayor of a female officer; or is it the one who left this village in legal limbo, to this day, in a Million dollar Workers Compensation lawsuit with Herkimer County? The list is endless.
The problem is not with the Attorney's, but with the Mayor's and Village Boards, who create legal situations that are unethical, and frankly unnecssary!
Mr. Hage's expertise in the Municpal Utilities field has proven successful in obtaining Franchise Fees from Time Warner, paid annually to the Village, as well as electric pole utilization fees by Time Warner and Verizon.
He also serves the Village of Ilion by sitting on the governing board of advisor's on NYMPA'( New York Municapl PowerAssociation),allocating and working with other communities in representing publically owned Utilities, helping to draft legal language and policies that will help keep public electric rates low, and in the jurisdiction of local municipalities, and resdidents.
Mr. Hage has also been beneficial in assiting this village with Go Green Techologies, LED lighting,and in joining with NYCOM,( New York Conferance of Mayors, in drafting letters of Protest to the Govenor's office over unfunded mandates.
The epenses are about the same with Mr. Hage as they were in the past for one village attorney, several consultants, and other law firms that have represented the village in the past.
The criteria for well invested tax payer funds, is like you say in the results.
Please as you advise others, do your home work first, before passing judgement.
Here are my responses:

1. I have filed my FOIL, and Linda Coffin has emailed it to me. I am in the process of examining that information.

2. JK Hage and the Village Board, including the Mayor, should welcome questions and research by any taxpayer. They should believe those questions will be answered and that information will back up their decision to appoint Mr. Hage as the Village Attorney. They should be very happy that I am doing this.
MEE

Syracuse, NY

#18 Apr 17, 2009
PEZ GOLF wrote:
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Here are my responses:
1. I have filed my FOIL, and Linda Coffin has emailed it to me. I am in the process of examining that information.
2. JK Hage and the Village Board, including the Mayor, should welcome questions and research by any taxpayer. They should believe those questions will be answered and that information will back up their decision to appoint Mr. Hage as the Village Attorney. They should be very happy that I am doing this.
Pez;
Who you Bull****ing!
You mind is already made up, and you are seeking facts to support your perception!
HOLICOW

Boonville, NY

#19 Apr 17, 2009
not that it really matters, he will twist the information the way he chooses to anyway, depending on who he is trying to make look bad today. He fails to realize that he is the one who looks bad.
PEZ GOLF

Lake Placid, NY

#20 Apr 17, 2009
MEE wrote:
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Pez;
Who you Bull****ing!
You mind is already made up, and you are seeking facts to support your perception!
You are WRONG. Some day, maybe, just maybe, you will be RIGHT!!
PEZ GOLF

Lake Placid, NY

#21 Apr 17, 2009
Please notice that I wrote that I am researching the response from Linda Coffin, Village Clerk, BEFORE I form conclusions.
Sherlock Holms

Oneida, NY

#22 Apr 17, 2009
PEZ GOLF wrote:
Please notice that I wrote that I am researching the response from Linda Coffin, Village Clerk, BEFORE I form conclusions.
What response are you trying to solicit?
Foil requests are for information only, dealing with the submission of public documents, NOT in Soliciting respones!
You will be given certain Material, that you can judge and spin in any particular fashion.
The interpetation of the information is relative and debateable; of course NOT in Your "perfect mind".
The "intangiables" of MR. Hage serving on the NYMPA Board is not going to be found in your foil requests,neithier is the fact that his legal knowledge and expertise was beneficial in the LED technology, and in obtaining annual payments fromm Time Warner and Verizon.
You would only find this out PEZ, if you maitained an open mind, attended Meetings, and a didn't taint your own investigation.
Like a bad detective, you are going into this with preconcieved notions. They way you conduct your self, and they way you will interpet the evidence, will be twisted to fit your thoughts.
This is what the dillusional do!

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