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Pumping Iron

Hemet, CA

#1 Nov 8, 2011
I was at the gym yesterday trying to workout before I went to work. I found myself waiting on two machines being used by firefighters who were on-duty. How do I know they were on-duty? Cause two of them had walkie talkies that kept going off very loud. As I stood to wait my turn I wondered why I was waiting. Let's see, they are at work getting paid and I'm waiting on the machine? WTF? Why does this happen? It really is a joke when you think about it. I don't care if they do pushups and situps in to stay in shape at their station but stop going to the gym and making the rest of us stand and wait.
brb

Los Angeles, CA

#3 Nov 8, 2011
I always wondered if the hfd was worth it.. they don't have paramedics so all they are good for is fighting fires.. do we normally lose a lot of buildings to fire every year? I wonder how many actual fire calls they go out to? its hard to tell because they pad their call logs with all those slip and falls but best I can tell its only like 2- 5 actual fires. I think it would be cheaper to just replace burnt down buildings after they burn opposed to paying all these salaries and operating cost
kat

Hemet, CA

#4 Nov 9, 2011
video tape them and send it to the news channels. that should stir up some great news. with so many people out of work, you would think the fire department would have its own weights....tax payer money put to good use!
NDK

Hemet, CA

#5 Nov 15, 2011
kat wrote:
video tape them and send it to the news channels. that should stir up some great news. with so many people out of work, you would think the fire department would have its own weights....tax payer money put to good use!
That's a good idea.
Wow

Ontario, CA

#7 Nov 20, 2012
I hope you all die in fires because the guys coming to rescue you are out of shape and can't lift you. I suppose the military shouldnt work out in duty either. As far as Cal Fire goes they are required to work out one hour a day on duty. That's to benefit you idiots in the event of an emergency.
pump it up

Hemet, CA

#8 Nov 20, 2012
Wow wrote:
I hope you all die in fires because the guys coming to rescue you are out of shape and can't lift you. I suppose the military shouldnt work out in duty either. As far as Cal Fire goes they are required to work out one hour a day on duty. That's to benefit you idiots in the event of an emergency.
Way to did up a year old thread retard.

As somebody already pointed out they should and most do have weights and machines in the their stations.

I remember being in the LA area and seeing the on duty fire heroes out playing volleyball on the beach. Do you really think the everyday hardworking citizen wants to see that?

Take your entitled attitude and shove it.
WTF

Van Nuys, CA

#9 Nov 21, 2012
I wish I had the vast knowledge and experience that pump it up and others do. That way I could sit back and judge people and their careers based on my own observations and conclusions. Is it all feasible that pump it up, NDK, and all the other Monday morning quarterbacks aren't exactly pleased about where they are in life so all they can do is get upset about what other people have. When the housing market was booming and every person in So. Cal was either a loan officer, realtor, or contractor making 20K a month on BS home sales, fraudulent loans, and obsurd construction costs people could give two sh*ts about what firefighters made or how they conducted their daily duties. Now that the easy money has come and gone the ones who chose long term steady employment are being ridiculed and demonized for jumping on board with the tortoise rather than screaming down the track with the hare. Just remember that the firefighters you despise so much may be one day responding to help and possibly save your life and the lives of your family. You, your wife, your husband, your kids, your parents, grandparents, friends, etc, etc. You'll never know if and when that day comes. Hopefully it never does. However if you find yourself having to use your local emergency services and it's too much to say thanks than I'm sure nothing at all will suffice.
pump it up

Hemet, CA

#10 Nov 21, 2012
Since you brought it up, I'm very happy with where I am in life. Thanks so much for caring.

And BTW, rocket scientist, I never made any mention of firefighter pay. I was referring to public perception. Two different things.

And don't worry, I won't worry about ever calling the fire department if my house is on fire. By the time they get here it will probably be burned beyond repair and if anyone was inside, they would mostly likely be dead. Oh and if I'm having a medical problem they can send an ambulance. From what I understand the local fire department doesn't have paramedics.

As I said before, take your entitled attitude and shove it.
WTF

Van Nuys, CA

#11 Nov 22, 2012
Is bitterness and sarcasm the only way to express a point of view? Perception is one thing. Actual knowledge is a whole new concept for most. You can hide behind public perception and anything else you want but it's pretty clear that these topics do concern you as they concern me and and anybody else reading these posts.
It's obvious you don't understand much because if you did then you know that the local fire department DOES have paramedics. 10 of them in fact. Public information that can be learned at city council meetings. However, the city council has decided not to use them even though the fire department has put forth several options to use their own paramedics on fire engines. This of course would be the same council that complains about the fire department not having paramedics. Strange....... or is it just political back scratching? I don't know but since you're the public perception expert I'm sure you could tell me. There's some of your sarcasm right back at ya.
Also, please tell me what the entitlement is?
Ignorance

Ontario, CA

#12 Nov 22, 2012
Entilted is a word people use a lot these days...mostly to attack things they don't understand. A good use of the concept though would be, I am angry because I had to wait to work out cause firefighters were on the machine. I am entitled to not have to wait for them because they are worthless government workers who are destroying America.

My invitation to "pump it up" is this. Go to a fire station and do a ride along. Learn what it is you're actually attacking. Maybe you will get lucky and have the honor of holding the hand of a child as the life slips from there eyes and they take their last gargling breath. Then maybe you won't be such a self important small minded fool the next time there is a fireman using the eleptical.....
Duarte

Hemet, CA

#13 Nov 22, 2012
I've gone to council meetings WTF and Ignorance and those same firefighters had the option of saving themselves with the EMD with AMR a leaner and meaner dept. In stead they chose to fight it and now look....
Ignorance

Ontario, CA

#14 Nov 22, 2012
Duarte wrote:
I've gone to council meetings WTF and Ignorance and those same firefighters had the option of saving themselves with the EMD with AMR a leaner and meaner dept. In stead they chose to fight it and now look....
Oh no I'm all in favor of the county coming in and taking over the HEMET contact. I think that will be much much better for the city. I was merely responding to the attacks on the fire service in general.
Harley Rider

Hemet, CA

#15 Nov 22, 2012
Ignorance wrote:
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Oh no I'm all in favor of the county coming in and taking over the HEMET contact. I think that will be much much better for the city.
No thanks.

Cal Fire Sucks.
Blow by blow

Ontario, CA

#16 Nov 22, 2012
Hemet- 3 engines 1 truck
Cal Fire Riverside - 90 engines 7 trucks

HEMET- 0 advanced life support engines
Cal Fire Riverside- 87 advanced life support engines 2 advanced life support trucks 3 advanced life support squads 9 advanced life support ambulances

Cal Fire Riverside sends more equipment to a house fire as a standard response than the city of Hemet owns.

Right now if you call because your house is on fire in HEMET you get 3 engines and 1 truck...and the city calls cal fire to cover the city. If you call on a medical aid you don't get a functioning paramedic until the arrival of AMR, a which point you will still only have one functioning paramedic.

If your house is on fire in a county area you get six engines and an incident support. Or five engines and a truck and incident support. This doesn't even touch the counties resource base. If you call for a medical reason you get a FUNCTIONING paramedic on the engine and a second with the arrival of AMR.

So yes I suppose Cal Fire may suck....but please explain why HEMET Fire is better for the tax payers....especially when Cal Fire costs less in addition to all that they offer.
della Parker

Hemet, CA

#17 Nov 22, 2012
Firefighters are required to maintain a certain level of f physical fitness . many departments have gyms within firehouses. those complaining about "havi ng to wait" for gym equipment are obviously ignorant To laws pertaining to employment. If your employer required you to maintain a high-level of physical fitness, I'm sure youd want your employer to provide what's necessary to do such.
face it, some have it better then others. But most of them worked harder to get there too. The guy who started this thread needs to concentrate on getting a real job instead of being jealous of those who already have one.
WTF

Van Nuys, CA

#18 Nov 22, 2012
Sounds like Blow by Blow works for Cal Fire.
Yes Cal Fire has more equipment but they are also a much larger department so go figure. I think you've also failed to mention the fact that Hemet Fire goes into the county to assist Cal Fire on a VERY regular basis because of Cal Fire's "staffing patterns" that takes their "committed" city contract fire units and sends them to who knows where. This is definitely the best thing for those tax payers that are forking up the bill for their Cal Fire contract while the "committed" resources are somewhere else besides the city their supposed to be covering.
However, we should also mention that mutual aid contracts between cities and counties allow for neighboring departments to help each other out when they are stretched on resources. I guess Blow by Blow forgot about that small detail.
Also, Cal Fire actually costs more than Hemet Fire when you compare apples for apples. Cal Fire only costs less when they provide less which is exactly what they will do. Then when the honeymoon phase of the city contract is over the price goes up in the form of "administrative" costs. I wonder how the city of San Jacinto is enjoying their outrageous price hike Cal Fire just dumped in their lap.
Keep in mind that Cal Fire is really and truly the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. They're primary mission is to fight forest fires. Municipal fire protection is and will always be second and has become a good way for them to generate revenue and fill the voids in the county that are hurting for $$$.
The costs that cities pay for their Forestry/Fire contracts don't all go to protect that particular city. Those dollars get spread out all over the county and who gets short changed?? That's right, the citizens who are paying the tax dollars to foot the bill.
Then if the city decides they don't like a portion of their forestry/fire contract and they wanna change it......... Too bad!! There's no negotiating with the local firefighters to reduce costs, change staffing, etc. The city is now dealing with a state wide firefighters union and the State of California which is..........BROKE!! It's no wonder the state's forestry/fire agncy preys on small cities and tries to gobble up their city fire services. They need money. In city council meetings and news articles over the past 2 years it is well known that Hemet Firefighters have taken pay cuts, contributed more to pension costs, and changed staffing levels to help the city reduce costs and meet their budget needs. You don't see Temecula Firefighters, Moreno Valley Firefighters, Menifee Firefighters, Norco Firefighters, or San Jacinto Firefighters making any of those changes to help the cities they work in. That's because there is no negotiating. The price is the price and the city must pay that price.
Cal Fire is no bargain and no more than a political move for a handful of people to get what they want. Hemet City Firefighters have and will always do a better job at protecting their own city which they are committed to.
Lets also not forget that Cal Fire/Forestry-Fire employs ex convicts and felons.
On the bright side it would be super convenient for the high number of Cal Fire Administrative personnel and Firefighters to work in Hemet. They could definitely have a shorter commute.
poster

Hemet, CA

#19 Nov 23, 2012
WTF wrote:
Sounds like Blow by Blow works for Cal Fire.
Yes Cal Fire has more equipment but they are also a much larger department so go figure. I think you've also failed to mention the fact that Hemet Fire goes into the county to assist Cal Fire on a VERY regular basis because of Cal Fire's "staffing patterns" that takes their "committed" city contract fire units and sends them to who knows where. This is definitely the best thing for those tax payers that are forking up the bill for their Cal Fire contract while the "committed" resources are somewhere else besides the city their supposed to be covering.
However, we should also mention that mutual aid contracts between cities and counties allow for neighboring departments to help each other out when they are stretched on resources. I guess Blow by Blow forgot about that small detail.
Also, Cal Fire actually costs more than Hemet Fire when you compare apples for apples. Cal Fire only costs less when they provide less which is exactly what they will do. Then when the honeymoon phase of the city contract is over the price goes up in the form of "administrative" costs. I wonder how the city of San Jacinto is enjoying their outrageous price hike Cal Fire just dumped in their lap.
Keep in mind that Cal Fire is really and truly the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. They're primary mission is to fight forest fires. Municipal fire protection is and will always be second and has become a good way for them to generate revenue and fill the voids in the county that are hurting for $$$.
The costs that cities pay for their Forestry/Fire contracts don't all go to protect that particular city. Those dollars get spread out all over the county and who gets short changed?? That's right, the citizens who are paying the tax dollars to foot the bill.
Then if the city decides they don't like a portion of their forestry/fire contract and they wanna change it......... Too bad!! There's no negotiating with the local firefighters to reduce costs, change staffing, etc. The city is now dealing with a state wide firefighters union and the State of California which is..........BROKE!! It's no wonder the state's forestry/fire agncy preys on small cities and tries to gobble up their city fire services. They need money. In city council meetings and news articles over the past 2 years it is well known that Hemet Firefighters have taken pay cuts, contributed more to pension costs, and changed staffing levels to help the city reduce costs and meet their budget needs. You don't see Temecula Firefighters, Moreno Valley Firefighters, Menifee Firefighters, Norco Firefighters, or San Jacinto Firefighters making any of those changes to help the cities they work in. That's because there is no negotiating. The price is the price and the city must pay that price.
Cal Fire is no bargain and no more than a political move for a handful of people to get what they want. Hemet City Firefighters have and will always do a better job at protecting their own city which they are committed to.
Lets also not forget that Cal Fire/Forestry-Fire employs ex convicts and felons.
On the bright side it would be super convenient for the high number of Cal Fire Administrative personnel and Firefighters to work in Hemet. They could definitely have a shorter commute.
Precisely spot-on! Could not have said it better myself! HFD has been lower-priced every time a bid has been sought. The ONLY way to do it "cheaper" is to have less service, like Calfire would provide to Hemet for the first year...then watch out for the price spike!(Or even LESSER service!) Just like what would happen if RSO took over HPD. Just ask San Jacinto or Temecula (or look for yourself, as the politicians will spin it their way!) how much MORE it costs them every year to retain "current service/staffing levels".
Joe T

Hemet, CA

#20 Nov 23, 2012
Gee Blowhard, care to explain what happened last night over on The Willows Road in San Jacinto? Your little diatribe about HFD leaving the city without any resources when a structure fire holds little weight now.

Cal Fire sent their first alarm response and guess what, it left them with ZERO valley resources. Oh and guess what else, a Hemet City engine was sent as part of that response. And no, Cal Fire wasn't tied up with other calls at the same time as the fire. And to add, it took the "first in" engine about 8 minutes to arrive on-scene.

So who had to pick up the slack? Hmm, I don't know.
WTF

Palm Springs, CA

#21 Nov 25, 2012
Well Joe, once again the professionalism of Cal Fire personnel both on and off the job is second to one. By the way I couldn't find a definition for "blowhard".
What I've gathered from your post that is that Hemet took one Engine from the city and responded to San Jacinto to assist Cal Fire with an incident. Once again this would be Hemet City agreeing to assist Cal Fire with a mutual aid request that was submitted by Cal Fire. Even though Cal Fire has 87 engines, 2 trucks, 3 squads, and 9 ambulances they still called for assistance Hemet City Fire. Hmmmm, I guess no matter how big and bad you are everybody still needs help. Also, with one engine out of Hemet City there are still 3 engines, 1 squad, and 1 truck to respond to emergency calls while they assist CDF.
Secondly, if all Call Fire's San Jacinto untis were in service and ready to respond why would it take 8 minutes for the first Cal Fire unit to arrive on scene? 5 minutes is the standard for emergency response time! Why don't you tell me what happened?? Sounds like you we're there..........
Joe T

Hemet, CA

#22 Nov 25, 2012
WTF,

My original comment was directed at "Blow by blow."
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"Even though Cal Fire has 87 engines, 2 trucks, 3 squads, and 9 ambulances they still called for assistance Hemet City Fire. Hmmmm, I guess no matter how big and bad you are everybody still needs help."

That was the point of my original post.
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All fire apparatus in the San Jacinto Valley should be equipped with AVL (Automatic Vehicle Locator/Location) and the closest unit should be dispatched to an emergency. But that would make too much sense.

Jeff Stone has thrown his money and weight into the Hemet City Council majority, so there will not be any cooperation between HFD & RVC/CalFire. He wants the valley to be completely contracted out.

I'm sure there are some members of HFD who don't even care. They just want the decisions to be made, so they can move on with their lives.

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