Prayer supporters flock to Pittsylvania meeting

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More than 200 community members gathered in the pouring rain at Pittsylvania County General Distict Court, on Sept.

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oneness preacher II

Danville, VA

#1 Sep 7, 2011
Way to go Pitts. Co. Bd. of Supv. Great use of taxpayers money in these difficult times, wasting everyones time and money ranting over whether or not you all can pray. No-one is saying you "cannot" pray, only that you should do so in-line with the 1st amendment of the constitution which says the government shall not respect one religion over another and you all have done exactly that with the "church of denominationalism" The USA is NOT a "Christian nation" everyone in the USA is NOT "Christian" nor is that a criteria of being an American. The ACLU has a great case. You guys need to wake up and stop wasting taxpayers dollars on a frevilous lawsuit that will end up costing plenty.
Tamerlane

Tallahassee, FL

#2 Sep 8, 2011
oneness preacher II wrote:
Way to go Pitts. Co. Bd. of Supv. Great use of taxpayers money in these difficult times, wasting everyones time and money ranting over whether or not you all can pray. No-one is saying you "cannot" pray, only that you should do so in-line with the 1st amendment of the constitution which says the government shall not respect one religion over another and you all have done exactly that with the "church of denominationalism" The USA is NOT a "Christian nation" everyone in the USA is NOT "Christian" nor is that a criteria of being an American. The ACLU has a great case. You guys need to wake up and stop wasting taxpayers dollars on a frevilous lawsuit that will end up costing plenty.
Just hope and pray (!) that people remember all this come election day.

Local politics = LOL.
Sue

Knoxville, TN

#3 Sep 22, 2011
oneness preacher II wrote:
Way to go Pitts. Co. Bd. of Supv. Great use of taxpayers money in these difficult times, wasting everyones time and money ranting over whether or not you all can pray. No-one is saying you "cannot" pray, only that you should do so in-line with the 1st amendment of the constitution which says the government shall not respect one religion over another and you all have done exactly that with the "church of denominationalism" The USA is NOT a "Christian nation" everyone in the USA is NOT "Christian" nor is that a criteria of being an American. The ACLU has a great case. You guys need to wake up and stop wasting taxpayers dollars on a frevilous lawsuit that will end up costing plenty.
What exactly is on the american emblem, on the dollar...IN GOD WE TRUST........this corruption we call government does not exactly go along with what our forefathers would have agreed to..the say anything against prayer, anywhere anytime when the constitution ws written, they would've whooped you and put you in stocks in public view as an example of an athiest. "Tom and George" wouldn't have put up with antichristains.....

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Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#4 Sep 22, 2011
Sue wrote:
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What exactly is on the american emblem, on the dollar...IN GOD WE TRUST........this corruption we call government does not exactly go along with what our forefathers would have agreed to..the say anything against prayer, anywhere anytime when the constitution ws written, they would've whooped you and put you in stocks in public view as an example of an athiest. "Tom and George" wouldn't have put up with antichristains.....
Jefferson didn't believe in the deification of Jesus Christ. He also said that separation of church and state also meant that infidels, jews, and muslims were all protected. In God We Trust was not always on our currency either.

A little research can help you not look like an ignorant, ranting asshole. Hint hint.
Tamerlane

Tallahassee, FL

#5 Sep 26, 2011
Sue wrote:
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What exactly is on the american emblem, on the dollar...IN GOD WE TRUST........this corruption we call government does not exactly go along with what our forefathers would have agreed to..the say anything against prayer, anywhere anytime when the constitution ws written, they would've whooped you and put you in stocks in public view as an example of an athiest. "Tom and George" wouldn't have put up with antichristains.....
"In God We Trust" on our currency falls under tne "ceremonial deism" exception to the Establishment Clause.

There are plenty of times and places where you can pray your head off. In fact, you can do it anywhere and anytime as long as you aren't acting as an agent of the state, in which case the Establishment clause applies.

Your "whooped you and put you in stocks" statement really underscores the problem the founders were trying to stop. Your view of the founder's intentions are actually the exact opposite of what they wanted.

Congratulations on being a total failure as an American.

As another has already pointed out,
whatha

Knoxville, TN

#6 Oct 28, 2011
Tamerlane wrote:
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"In God We Trust" on our currency falls under tne "ceremonial deism" exception to the Establishment Clause.
There are plenty of times and places where you can pray your head off. In fact, you can do it anywhere and anytime as long as you aren't acting as an agent of the state, in which case the Establishment clause applies.
Your "whooped you and put you in stocks" statement really underscores the problem the founders were trying to stop. Your view of the founder's intentions are actually the exact opposite of what they wanted.
Congratulations on being a total failure as an American.
As another has already pointed out,
Have you read the anals of the early churches and of the lives of your forefathers? They dished out punishment to disobedient people.
It was noted that at the time the church and the state were in the same house, the separation of church and state was that the church could not control the government, it had nothing to do with prayer or where you could pray. The founders had more than one intention if you would like to read the Constitution and the bill of rights.
whatha

Knoxville, TN

#7 Oct 28, 2011
llDayo wrote:
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Jefferson didn't believe in the deification of Jesus Christ. He also said that separation of church and state also meant that infidels, jews, and muslims were all protected. In God We Trust was not always on our currency either.
A little research can help you not look like an ignorant, ranting asshole. Hint hint.
An example of the need to break away from the church of England and the control of the church over the colonists prompted the separation of church and state, was the witch trials of Salem.The control over the government and the people by the church.After the civil war, we had a great war debt by the Federal Government, from the lenders in other countries, that debt has never been completely satisfied, and after the civil war, In God we trust became an emblem on the new currency.
It's doubtful you will win the law suit. However it would be interestin to know how it turned out.
In researching old records, it was common practice for the church to issue punishment. In the early 1900's, one case in the court records, a man got a year in jail,on the rock road, for farting in church. In the early 1800's, a young woman got dechurched and put in stocks for frollicking in church with the men. Where exactly does the church stop, and the state begin?? The church took the farting and the frollicking, and the state took it into regard and punished the people. It's sort of like what come first the chicken or the egg. A hand and glove deal.
whatha

Knoxville, TN

#8 Oct 29, 2011
llDayo wrote:
<quoted text>
Jefferson didn't believe in the deification of Jesus Christ. He also said that separation of church and state also meant that infidels, jews, and muslims were all protected. In God We Trust was not always on our currency either.
A little research can help you not look like an ignorant, ranting asshole. Hint hint.
When did they pledge allegiance to the flag?( One nation under God.) I may not agree with what you say, but I agree you have a right to say it.
Tamerlane

Tallahassee, FL

#9 Oct 31, 2011
whatha wrote:
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Have you read the anals of the early churches and of the lives of your forefathers? They dished out punishment to disobedient people.
It was noted that at the time the church and the state were in the same house, the separation of church and state was that the church could not control the government, it had nothing to do with prayer or where you could pray. The founders had more than one intention if you would like to read the Constitution and the bill of rights.
I've read the annals. Anals is more of a smell experience.

Either way, it doesn't matter.

Your history is inaccurate and skewed, you also ignore the existence of the Establishment Clause which was authored by the very people you cite to you in your post.

Not only have I read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, I've studied it, taught it, and handled cases involving it.

Have you read the two centuries worth of case law interpreting it?

I have.

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