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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75061 Jul 9, 2014
Of course, the extra-cosmic, personal and creationist god which forms the god of most religions is pure fiction and this erroneous notion should be soundly thrashed at every given opportunity.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75062 Jul 9, 2014
2 EPOCHAL DISCOVERIES THAT DEBUNK CREATIONISM & SCIENCE:

2 epochal discoveries about the laws of nature have soundly debunked the belief in the personal and extra-cosmic god who creates from nothing and who despite not being causally connected with the cosmos yet somehow manages to rule over it, judge its inhabitants and guide it.

All this is bronze age rubbish attributed to illiterate peasants.

At the same time, science stands exposed as a hollow discipline by basing itself on pure insentience, flawed reductionism and mechanistic explanations that can neither explain the origin of life from insentient matter nor the origin nor the nature of consciousness nor the fine tuning of the universe at the macro/micro scales nor mysteries like personality, intentionality, self-transcendence, verified past life memories.

The 2 epochal discoveries are:

1) The 1st Law of Thermodynamics that explains how the principle of conservation, where the sum total of energy/matter in isolated system is concerned, cannot be violated as energy/matter can neither be created nor destroyed - this discovery debunks religious beliefs of an extracosmic god who creates from nothing.

2) Dr J C Bose's crescographic experiment cogently demonstrates the natural presence of sentience in energy/matter - this finding debunks creationism and the scientific superstition of insentience forming the basis of existence.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75063 Jul 9, 2014
former res wrote:
A formal definition of religion is notoriously difficult to formulate, but it must surely involve reference to a particular way of life, practices oriented toward a conception of how one should live.
How absurd can this guy Spencer get!

The aim of religion is encapsulated in the etymology of the word "religion" itself - religion from the Latin "religare" means to yoke, to bind or to unite the individual consciousness with its source which is the absolute consciousness with its inherent energy concentrate.

So, from a strictly religious perspective, to retrace one's steps back in consciousness through all the gradations of existence to its transcendent source, or to reclaim one's transcendental nature which is the same as that of the transcendent source, is the aim of religion in its highest or most refined form, whereas on the crude levels of thought and practice religion means genuflecting before a monstrous formation who judges, threatens, kills, curses, abuses and demands blood sacrifices from its benighted followers or it could mean obeying the ritualistic commandments of some being calling itself god.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#75064 Jul 9, 2014
former res wrote:
Hi folks – Hot enough for everyone? Good article and relevant to many of our discussions:Nick
Spencer begins his spirited history of atheism with a fairy tale. Once upon a time, people lived in ignorant superstition, offering sacrifices to monsters in the sky. Then some clever folks used special weapons called “science” and “reason” to show that the monsters had never really existed in the first place. Some of these clever folks were killed for daring to say this, but they persevered, and now only really stupid people believe in the monsters.
Shocked to agree for once with our Apu on this, but you are posing a straw argument.

What your verbiage is describing is pre-scientific thinking, not religion.

Religion starts with a certainty, but it doesnt prove that certainty. It simply declares it. Its theological process is not scientific in any way, nor does it ever claim to be. "God" calls out. Man's organized response to that calling is what religion is.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#75065 Jul 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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....whereas on the crude levels of thought and practice religion means genuflecting before a monstrous formation who judges, threatens, kills, curses, abuses and demands blood sacrifices from its benighted followers or it could mean obeying the ritualistic commandments of some being calling itself god.
Projecting again

Many religions do not share these traits

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75066 Jul 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Religion starts with a certainty, but it doesn't prove that certainty.

It simply declares it.

Its theological process is not scientific in any way, nor does it ever claim to be.

"God" calls out. Man's organized response to that calling is what religion is.
Nonsense.

Idiot.

What's your IQ? 2 or 3?

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75067 Jul 9, 2014
RELIGION IS A SCIENCE OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND NOT A GENUFLECTION TO SOME PETTY PERSONAL GOD:

1) Yes, religion, which originates from the Latin word "religare" means to unite in consciousness and energy with the absolute consciousness with its inherent energy concentrate, or, in other words, religion is a recovery of one's forgotten absolute status which can only come about by the process of a re-scaling of the intervening gradations of cosmic existence until the individualized consciousness-force re-unites with its absolute source.

2) The spiritual process is not a blind belief but an exact practice with well-laid out steps on how to concentrate the mind on which force center either within the body or above the head, the correct breathing pattern to be adopted, the correct spinal posture to be adopted, the appropriate primal sounds to be meditated upon, the phenomena that one can expect to perceive at each stage of the ascent, the dangers of the path, the exact sequence of the manifestation of the degrees of light, sound, power and bliss, the manner one should enter the state of complete absorption, the different kinds of the state of absorption, the emergence of various subjective states in the body that can be seen or felt by onlookers and so on......

3) Each stage is thoroughly mapped out by the earlier adepts who've discovered the entire process back to the absolute source and have codified the whole process for future aspirants to undertake and VERIFY via direct experiences in consciousness/energy field and so beliefs form no part of the mystical discipline which is based completely on practice and verification of the stages of the union of the individual consciousness with the intervening planes and ultimately with the supreme state itself and in this cosmic discipline there's no mention of abominations like the personal or tribal god, ritualistic rules, blood sacrifices, prayers and the like.

4) True Religion - to bind or to unite the individual consciousness with its absolute source - is DIRECT REALIZATION of the SELF and is not talk nor scripture reading nor logic nor head bowing nor tribal affiliation nor abstaining from work on a particular day of the week nor genital mutilation nor genuflection to some abomination calling itself g-d or whatever.

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#75068 Jul 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Nonsense.
Idiot.
What's your IQ? 2 or 3?
considering I agreed with you, who is the idiot?

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#75069 Jul 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
RELIGION IS A SCIENCE OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND NOT A GENUFLECTION TO SOME PETTY PERSONAL GOD:
1) Yes, religion, which originates from the Latin word "religare" means to unite in consciousness and energy with the absolute consciousness with its inherent energy concentrate, or, in other words, religion is a recovery of one's forgotten absolute status which can only come about by the process of a re-scaling of the intervening gradations of cosmic existence until the individualized consciousness-force re-unites with its absolute source.
2) The spiritual process is not a blind belief but an exact practice with well-laid out steps on how to concentrate the mind on which force center either within the body or above the head, the correct breathing pattern to be adopted, the correct spinal posture to be adopted, the appropriate primal sounds to be meditated upon, the phenomena that one can expect to perceive at each stage of the ascent, the dangers of the path, the exact sequence of the manifestation of the degrees of light, sound, power and bliss, the manner one should enter the state of complete absorption, the different kinds of the state of absorption, the emergence of various subjective states in the body that can be seen or felt by onlookers and so on......
3) Each stage is thoroughly mapped out by the earlier adepts who've discovered the entire process back to the absolute source and have codified the whole process for future aspirants to undertake and VERIFY via direct experiences in consciousness/energy field and so beliefs form no part of the mystical discipline which is based completely on practice and verification of the stages of the union of the individual consciousness with the intervening planes and ultimately with the supreme state itself and in this cosmic discipline there's no mention of abominations like the personal or tribal god, ritualistic rules, blood sacrifices, prayers and the like.
4) True Religion - to bind or to unite the individual consciousness with its absolute source - is DIRECT REALIZATION of the SELF and is not talk nor scripture reading nor logic nor head bowing nor tribal affiliation nor abstaining from work on a particular day of the week nor genital mutilation nor genuflection to some abomination calling itself g-d or whatever.
I agree with some of that, however there is no way it is a science.

A path, yes. But science, no. That would require proof - which is impossible by definition

You are too self impressed with yourself. Maybe you need more meditation. Work on dissolving that ego a bit.

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#75070 Jul 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
4) True Religion - to bind or to unite the individual consciousness with its absolute source - is DIRECT REALIZATION of the SELF and is not talk nor scripture reading nor logic nor head bowing nor tribal affiliation nor abstaining from work on a particular day of the week nor genital mutilation nor genuflection to some abomination calling itself g-d or whatever.
What you are describing is an endpoint, not religion. Religion is more akin to a description of the tasks that lead towards that endpoint.

For someone supposedly "educated" I am a bit amused at your befuddlement of grammar and syntax.

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#75071 Jul 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
RELIGION IS A SCIENCE OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND NOT A GENUFLECTION TO SOME PETTY PERSONAL GOD:

2) The spiritual process is not a blind belief but an exact practice with well-laid out steps on how to concentrate the mind on which force center either within the body or above the head, the correct breathing pattern to be adopted, the correct spinal posture to be adopted, the appropriate primal sounds to be meditated upon, the phenomena that one can expect to perceive at each stage of the ascent, the dangers of the path, the exact sequence of the manifestation of the degrees of light, sound, power and bliss, the manner one should enter the state of complete absorption, the different kinds of the state of absorption, the emergence of various subjective states in the body that can be seen or felt by onlookers and so on......
I would edit that to read "A spiritual process....."

There are more than one.

Not that you would know, being that I doubt you have mastered even the one you wax and wane prosaically on.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#75072 Jul 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
RELIGION IS A SCIENCE OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND NOT A GENUFLECTION TO SOME PETTY PERSONAL GOD:
1) Yes, religion, which originates from the Latin word "religare" means to unite in consciousness and energy with the absolute consciousness with its inherent energy concentrate, or, in other words, religion is a recovery of one's forgotten absolute status which can only come about by the process of a re-scaling of the intervening gradations of cosmic existence until the individualized consciousness-force re-unites with its absolute source.
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Webster is my god on this and Webster does not share this definition

Religion:
: the belief in a god or in a group of gods

: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#75073 Jul 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
3) Each stage is thoroughly mapped out by the earlier adepts who've discovered the entire process back to the absolute source and have codified the whole process for future aspirants to undertake and VERIFY via direct experiences in consciousness/energy field and so beliefs form no part of the mystical discipline which is based completely on practice and verification of the stages of the union of the individual consciousness with the intervening planes and ultimately with the supreme state itself and in this cosmic discipline there's no mention of abominations like the personal or tribal god, ritualistic rules, blood sacrifices, prayers and the like.
Many religions do not share blood sacrfices, and most religions do have a meditative path

As far as the mapping - it is a bit subjective - not that there is anything wrong with that - but that hardly represents "proof". The proof is in the pudding, and there are more than one recipes available.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75074 Jul 9, 2014
Yawn. Fool. LOL.

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#75075 Jul 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Yawn. Fool. LOL.
if you have something intelligent to say, say it

if not, don't waste our time

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75076 Jul 9, 2014
SELF-REALIZATION FULFILS THE REQUIREMENTS OF A SCIENCE

A) SELF-REALIZATION is a science of consciousness and follows all the stages of any science which are: 1) theory, 2) practice, 3) reproducibility, 4) verifiability, 5) description of the different experimental stages, 6) known end-results and 6) applications.

B) SELF-REALIZATION is a science since it has a theoretical/logical framework; a well-defined practical method of meditation on the different force centers and a detailed mapped out path of the various effects of meditation, trance states and absorption and detailed descriptions of the visible manifestations of the results of the prescribed process; it is reproducible at will on adoption of the correct techniques; it can be verified by anyone who follows its prescribed methods and it has scores of real-life applications.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75077 Jul 9, 2014
RELIGION is RELIGARE - the act of uniting in consciousness with the source (the supreme consciousness). Religion is realization of the self through direct experiences in consciousness which leads to the re-union of the manifested individualized self with its absolute source which is the supreme self. The rest is mumbo jumbo.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75078 Jul 9, 2014
BOTTOM LINE:

The word "religion", which originates from the Latin word "religare", means to bind, to yoke or to unite - to unite in consciousness and energy with the absolute consciousness with its inherent energy concentrate, or, in other words, religion is a recovery of one's forgotten absolute status which can only come about by the process of a re-scaling of the intervening gradations of cosmic existence until the individualized consciousness-force re-unites with its absolute source.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#75079 Jul 9, 2014
Where's HUGH? Applying make-up to whiten his jet black cheeks? LOL.
JOEL

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#75080 Jul 9, 2014
IS THERE MORE THAN ONE WAY OF ASCENDING TO & MERGING WITH A SPECIFIC COSMIC PLANE?

1) NO.

2) If one has to ascend to say the overmental planes (9th to 12th planes in the cosmic hierarchy) how does one do it?

3) Is there more than one path or process leading to the overmind?

No.

4) The only way of ascending in consciousness to the overmental planes is to know in activated form the root vibratory sounds of the planes of the overmind.

5) The overmental is defined by a set of well-defined primal sound vibrations.

6) In addition to knowing the primal sounds/mantras corresponding to the overmental consciousness, one has to know on which force center in the body or above the head to concentrate on or to meditate on while pinning the root vibration of the specific overmental plane in that particular force center so that with intense meditation on that primal sound fixed in that particular force center the indwelling overmental consciousness-force waves gradually gets activated with its attendant effects and manifests in the individual's consciousness-force field where it connects with his awakened psychic during trance state. Ascending to and merging with the overmental planes is one part of the process, the most difficult part is to cause the power and phenomena of the overmind planes to descend from their native stations and to penetrate the force fields of the lower planes thereby bringing about a unification of various planes of consciousness and a subsequent evolution in the innate consciousness of the person....

7) The specific force centers for ascending to the overmental planes are not in the body along the nervous centers of the spine but they are stationed above the head in the superior force dimensions .

and so on.....

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