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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#67241 Feb 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I think I already stated it. I dont believe in the God you dont believe in.
And its no more unknowable than you.
So you can't agree with the statement I put forth?

Specifically why?

You and I can meet for a beer this weekend at Mackenzie's.

You know that.

And you put the question of my existence the same as god's?

Color me confused.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#67243 Feb 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Considering you have yet to understand normative Judaism,. why would you waste you time bungling explanations of Hasidim thought?
Your understanding of nondualism is wrong and you made a wild statement like Zen and Hasidim are similar or the same which is misleading.

You know nothing.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67244 Feb 9, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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And the bizarre rant continues.
Go educate yourself on what the 'x' represents, foolish xtian.
COR---Tell me, Hugh, what is a Labarum. Which letterS does it consist of?

HughBe--- Please be kind and tell me the labarum LETTERS in your words (xtian and xtianity).

Cunti---Go educate yourself on what the 'x' represents, foolish xtian.

HughBe---Thank you for telling me the labarum letterS i.e. "x'. Indeed, when I was in primary school my teachers would tell me that people at your level would see ALL the letters in "x".
In addition, your answer is in keeping with what I expect from someone who is regarded as being BRIGHT in your state.

Now before I move on to your lesson for the day please do as you were instructed to do i.e. ask ANY Christian if they regard "xtianity" as DISRESPECTFUL etc and do the same to an atheists that is in her right mind.

Lesson for the day, Cunti.

Lesson: The labarum symbol that you are talking about is virtually NOT known by the general membership of the over 30,000 Christian denominations. Let me explain it for you the simple, it means it is NOT a Christian symbol for them.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#67245 Feb 9, 2014
FORMER,

You're dumb but funny and lovable.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#67246 Feb 9, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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No more than any other position.
While arriving at the atheist position (particularly when one is coming from the polar opposite position), does require some thinking and introspection, once that position has been achieved, there really isn't much "active" disbelieving going on. Like Former said, I spend no more time actively disbelieving in a god than I do in actively disbelieving in the Easter Bunny.
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No time, unless you're so inclined to reexamine your position periodically - which is not necessarily required.
There are no time constraints on labels. You either believe or you don't (or you haven't made up your mind yet). The time one spends thinking about their position it is a personal matter. Perhaps one could argue that if you are spending an extreme amount of time thinking about it, then perhaps you haven't selected a position yet, which is perfectly fine as well.
You asked previously what "baggage" I thought atheism carried - i.e. how I saw it different than agnosticism.

My answer would be that atheists have their mind made up, while agnostics acknowledge that they are limited by normal cognition and therefore can not make their mind up (i.e. open mind either way).

Maybe I am being too simplistic, but it is open mind vs close mind.

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Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>Pet peeve alert. The word "militant" is often thrown about in a derogatory fashion by people uncomfortable with those attempting to change the status quo - militant atheists, militant feminists, militant gays. Every group has a subset of vocal participants whom I prefer to refer to as activists. I can assure you, for every activist atheist, there are hundreds of atheists that belong to the silent majority. Outside of this forum, my atheism comes up extremely rarely, and when it does, it's not initiated by me.ll.
Point taken.

What I meant was that you have reached a conclusion, while I dont see the sense of applying logic to an issue that BY DEFINITION is illogical. I am fine with that. But some people really do need to "figure things out" which is an active behavior.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>I'm no more obsessed with God than I am with the Easter Bunny. What I do concern myself with is the effects that a belief in a god does have - particularly when it affects others.
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No one is forcing the atheist label on you (at least I don't think so). Only you know what your thinking or what you believe, and how strong those beliefs are. In the same respect, don't assume everyone who does prefer to use a label such as atheist is necessarily of the activist variety.
Point taken, but I dont see it as vocal activism. Maybe intellectual activism is a better word. Thats how I see anyone who embraces the atheist position.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#67247 Feb 9, 2014
former res wrote:
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So you can't agree with the statement I put forth?
Specifically why?
You and I can meet for a beer this weekend at Mackenzie's.
You know that.
And you put the question of my existence the same as god's?
Color me confused.
LOL, I feel like we are going round and round again. We spent countless posts last week on this very topic.

I dont know the real you. I have ideas, based on interactions with like minded, like formed beings. But what I really "know" is my experience of you, my relation to you. What you have chosen to disclose to me. And to make it even more muddy, even if you expressed to me what you thought was the real you, it would be incomplete, since it would still be filtered by both of us.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67248 Feb 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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You get ONE more opportunity to answer the followup question to your statement
If you choose not to answer, I will have no choice but to have you re-installed on the ignore list
You stated you share many of the beliefs of the Christian Hebrews in that article - What beliefs of them don't you share?
Don't be a coward, share your perspective.
What your nonsensical posts are telling me is that you do not know which doctrines are in the scriptures and which came out of your rabbis orifices.

I shall AGAIN repeat my ANSWER for you.

ANSWER----I agree with the teachings that are found in the SCRIPTURES. When I say agree I mean that I deem them as a must.

On another note, avoid me if that is what you want to do. As far as I know you still have certain freedoms where you live, at least for now,.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#67250 Feb 9, 2014
FRIJOLES: Better tell that to the Sufi Muslims, not me.

JOEL: You've got almost zero knowledge of Sufism, nondualism, science, math, logic or mysticism. Expected.

Sufism is "shirk" under Islamic law and punishable with the death penalty.

Are you even aware of the planes of consciousness taught by Sufism and how they say one can unite with them in trance states?

Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi is one of the great Sufi saints who was a mystic.

Sufis venerate Kabir and Guru Nanak as well.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#67251 Feb 9, 2014
I just figured out that you cant judge someone as BOTH touching and mean. Has to be one or the other. One erases the other.

Nor can you both agree and disagree.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67252 Feb 9, 2014
Former---Huggy We're in the same time zone.
That is you, me and at least 2 other of your mentors.
Just want to arm you with all the facts.

HughBe--- Thanks for the information, Former.
The mentors that you speak of were specialists in rear-ology and so I declined their offer of mentorship. Memory tells me that you are one such mentor.

Former---XO

HughBe--- Please give me the opportunity to wash before you kiss there.

Much love, Mon.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#67253 Feb 9, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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What your nonsensical posts are telling me is that you do not know which doctrines are in the scriptures and which came out of your rabbis orifices.
I shall AGAIN repeat my ANSWER for you.
ANSWER----I agree with the teachings that are found in the SCRIPTURES. When I say agree I mean that I deem them as a must.
On another note, avoid me if that is what you want to do. As far as I know you still have certain freedoms where you live, at least for now,.
But your answer is SO broad as to be meaningless.

Which TEACHINGS do you disagree with? It seems to me that the who article was how the Christian Hebrews voluntarily decided to accept biblical "teachings" (to use your word) and therefore started to wear tefillin, tallis, peyot, etc etc.

JOEL

Mumbai, India

#67254 Feb 9, 2014
FORMER: Another path would be to give up yoga and just enjoy a nice cold Indian beer instead.

JOEL - I can't give up Yoga until the Higher Force leaves me or the excited brain state with its concomitant EM frequency subsides.

It's not that I am in a state of deep aspiration or into meditation or the like.

The Higher Force is established in my brain since years and it descends into my body at times.

Even now that I am typing, the Higher Force sits like a huge block on and in my brain and its heat and vibration have spread to my entire face and a little into the nape of my neck.

This is the way it is since years.

During an excited state (yogic experience), the Higher Force descends into my spine, arms, legs and then I am in trance with all the attendant manifestations of heightened consciousness, heat, light radiating from the body, opening up of the sensory nerves and so on.

So, this is my natural state.

I can booze, screw and eat meat only if the Higher Force subsides or leaves my system of its own accord.

If I do so now, I'll be in serious trouble and it may turn life threatening for me, or damage my organs at the least...
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67255 Feb 9, 2014
former res wrote:
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Unintelligent? Crass? Crude? Riff raff?
How did I get dragged into this?
And BTW, "Hugh" (aka Huggy) actually likes me!
We have warm and fuzzy feeling for one another, but no long not showers.
Now tell me who I "don't like" and whom I have ignored or told not to talk to someone else?
This feels like junior high school.
Former---And BTW, "Hugh" (aka Huggy) actually likes me!

HughBe--- A factual statement, Former. What is also factual is that I do NOT harbour dislikes for people not even a lowlife like Ricky.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#67256 Feb 9, 2014
JOEL wrote:
FRIJOLES: Better tell that to the Sufi Muslims, not me.
JOEL: You've got almost zero knowledge of Sufism, nondualism, science, math, logic or mysticism. Expected.
Sufism is "shirk" under Islamic law and punishable with the death penalty.
Are you even aware of the planes of consciousness taught by Sufism and how they say one can unite with them in trance states?
Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi is one of the great Sufi saints who was a mystic.
Sufis venerate Kabir and Guru Nanak as well.
Whatever.

I am a mere mortal, with mere mortal Muslim friends, and a mere mortal access to Wikipedia. And these mere mortals tell me that Sufi is branch of Islam.(In the same way Hasidim, a newer movement, is a type of Judaism)

Since you are neither Muslim, nor have you ever even got it right on my religion, I have no choice, as a mere mortal, other than question your credibility.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67257 Feb 9, 2014
HughBe--- Your wife is flattering you. Lovely woman. If there is no objection, what is your wife's name or pet name?......

former res---Her name is Mrs. former res.Her pet name is Shnookums.
You may call her that if you wish.

HughBe---- Thank you, Former. I take it that the true name of your wife is John. It is my hope that these exchanges have exposed you to new words e.g. pet name.

Since: Feb 14

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#67258 Feb 9, 2014
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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67259 Feb 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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But your answer is SO broad as to be meaningless.
Which TEACHINGS do you disagree with? It seems to me that the who article was how the Christian Hebrews voluntarily decided to accept biblical "teachings" (to use your word) and therefore started to wear tefillin, tallis, peyot, etc etc.
Frijoles---But your answer is SO broad as to be meaningless.

HughBe--- How can that be when certain beliefs were SPECIFIED by YOU? Your problem is that you do NOT know what comes from the scriptures.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#67260 Feb 9, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Whatever.

I am a mere mortal, with mere mortal Muslim friends, and a mere mortal access to Wikipedia. And these mere mortals tell me that Sufi is branch of Islam.(In the same way Hasidim, a newer movement, is a type of Judaism)

Since you are neither Muslim, nor have you ever even got it right on my religion, I have no choice, as a mere mortal, other than question your credibility.
Fool,

I am a Yogi and have direct access to the higher states of consciousness in many ways and so I know what I am talking about when I said that about Sufism.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67261 Feb 9, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE------FORMER,You're dumb but funny and lovable.

Hugh--- Certainly, I am in agreement with your assessment of "funny" and lovable.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#67262 Feb 9, 2014
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