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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#65787 Jan 13, 2014
Under the right-wing Hindu party's rule in India, superstitions started getting described as "science". Hindu nationalists started invoking science in just about every speech and policy statement. But while they uttered the word "science" - which in today's world is understood as modern science - they meant astrology, vastu, Vedic creationism, transcendental meditation or Ayurveda. This was not just talk: state universities and colleges got big grants from the government to offer post-graduate degrees, including PhDs in astrology; research in vastu shastra, faith-healing and cow-urine therapy and priest-craft was promoted with substantial injections of public money.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#65788 Jan 13, 2014
VEDIC PSEUDO SCIENCE:

The Hindu fundamentalist party that ruled over India used every ploy to make the Vedas sound scientific.

Nearly every important discovery of modern science was read back into Hindu sacred books:

1) explosion of nuclear energy became the awesome appearance of God in the Bhagvat Gita;

2) the indeterminacy at quantum level served as confirmation of Vedanta;

3) atomic charges became equivalent to negative, positive and neutral gunas, or moral qualities;

4) the reliance of experience and reason in science became the same thing as reliance on mystical experience, and so on.

Contemporary theories of physics, evolution and biology were wilfully distorted to make it look as if all of modern science was converging to affirm the New Age, mind-over-matter cosmology that follows from Vedantic monism.'Evidence' from fringe sciences was used to support all kinds of superstitions, from vastu, astrology,'quantum healing' to the latest theory of Vedic creationism.

Science and 'Vedas' were treated as just different names for the same thing.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65789 Jan 13, 2014
Former---I believe you like "bi-boys"

HughBe---- Certainly you are a strong subscriber to faith or belief. However, you are wrong in your belief.

Former--- I don't believe the "girls" part - unless that's
what you call your men friends.

HughBe--- First, an understanding of the difference between "bi-boys" and "girls" is important. Second, you are correct that I call SOME of my men friends "girls" and everyone on this forum knows this to be true. Are you forgetting that "girls" is a term of endearment that I use for YOU, Frijoles and Eric? YES you are forgetting. Never forget it anymore.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#65790 Jan 13, 2014
LAST WORD

Rather than encourage a critical spirit toward inherited traditions, many of which are authoritarian and patriarchal, postmodernist intellectuals have waged a battle against science. As the case of Vedic science in the service of Hindu nationalism demonstrates, this misguided attack on the Enlightenment has only aided the growth of pseudoscience, superstitions and tribalism.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65791 Jan 13, 2014
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
To make the distinction (given matthew 28:17-19 where jesus is revered as a god)
And some say it's a messianic custom, kind of acknowledging Ha-Shem and not jesus as god. Though i never got to understand the ratio behind that custom. Given that christians in general borrow verses willy-nilly to substantiate the gospel.
A form of respect. But that would in christian terms also be served by using the term 'father'.
Former res----If God is only a NICKNAME, then why can't it be spelled out in writing but it's ok to speak it?

Frijoles--- The nicknames CAN be spelled, and they CAN be spoken.

HughBe--- So why write G-d and not God?

Maat---To make the distinction (given matthew 28:17-19 where jesus is revered as a god)

HughBe--- I take it that Matthew 28 is still in existence when the word is spoken. So please tell me how the differentiation is made when the word is spoken.

Remember when writing the differentiation is G-d as opposed to God because of Matthew 28 so tell me the differentiation for the spoken form of the word.

Ignore the fact that Frijoles opinion differs from yours.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65792 Jan 13, 2014
Joel---Hugh, You're not as clever as you think you are.

Hugh--- By how many points would you lower it?

Joel---And, don't twist my words on sin, sinner and law out of context.

Hugh--- I reserve twisting for special occasions. You are getting me excited.

Joel---I'll reply to your post, later. Going shopping. Bye, Monny.(winks)

Hugh--- Remember to buy that sexy item, Frijoles like it. Much love, girlie.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#65793 Jan 13, 2014
Unlike modern science which constantly updates itself in the light of new evidence and leads us to a more accurate picture of the universe, Vedic knowledge, stuck in a black hole of reification and reverence, is horribly outdated, extremely limited and riddled with errors.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65794 Jan 13, 2014
HughBe--- I love being GAY and I would NEVER change my nationality.

Former---At least we have this out in the open !!

HughBe--- It was never in the closet.

Former---While you may enjoy and celebrate your own gayness, you do not tolerate it in others.

HughBe--- My "gayness" is traditional in meaning and otherwise whereas your gayness is contemporary and I do tolerate you and like you but I DISAGREE with your practice.

Former---You also deny the spoken language of your own people.

HughBe--- Please read with understanding. I would never say that no one says Mon. I have said that I do NOT KNOW any such person. Moreover, it is possible that because people like you believe and expect people in the resort areas to say MON they oblige.

Former---You wrote "mon" on this forum, yet you deny it is said by your fellow Jamaicans.
This makes no sense.

HughBe--- Never did it FIRST. It is NOT a word that I use except on this forum.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#65795 Jan 13, 2014
English translations of the Vedas have been undertaken with the intention to show the beauty of the scriptures but ironically it also serves the opposite purpose - to show to rationalists how primitive the knowledge in them is.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#65796 Jan 13, 2014
It has been wisely said of the Bible that a person who has read it completely cannot help but be repulsed by it.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#65797 Jan 13, 2014
Religious scriptures when fully understood by a person who hasn’t been brainwashed into being servile to authority figures, makes it easy for them to see religions for what they really are - ignorance masquerading as knowledge!
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65798 Jan 13, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE--- HUGH,Since you're so hooked on the words "sin", "sinners" and "divine retribution" (whatever these meaningless terms may mean to you), kindly answer the following question.

Hugh---Meaningless terms with meanings. Interesting.

Joel---Why is it that nothing visibly bad happens to big-time criminals like corrupt politicians, autocratic kings, religious figureheads preaching intolerance and hatred, blood and scam billionaires, terrorist masterminds, intel chiefs, drug lords, human traffickers, human sacrificers and other perverts?

Hugh--- Time is longer than rope meaning in time their rewards will be given to them.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#65799 Jan 13, 2014
Good night.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65800 Jan 13, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
HUGH,
Why is it that the poor people suffer the most during natural calamities, wars, economic crash, riots and epidemics?
Lack of resources which lead to poor housing etc. It has NOTHING to do with any divine entity.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65802 Jan 13, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE---HUGH, In most religious scriptures poverty is glorified while harsh criticism is heaped on the accumulation of great wealth and the leading of a lavish lifestyle - why is this so?

HughBe---- I cannot speak for such religions.

Joel---Is it a "sin" to be rich and to spend lavishly on material comforts?

Hugh--- NO. It is a sin to TRANSGRESS the laws of the Eternal.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65803 Jan 13, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE---Shouldn't this creature called G-d be wisely governing his creation that he supposedly created from nothing...

Hugh--- No as G-d is a creature himself.

Joel--- why isn't there "divine intervention" in world affairs that are so unjust, violent, cruel, manipulative, damaging to the ecosystem and harmful to the poor sections of the population who constitute the vast majority of people in the world?

Hugh--- I shall answer you if you tell me the answer to this question. In your belief-system you have a UNIFIED FIELD. Why does this FIELD allow all of what you have spoken of?

Later, I must go.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#65804 Jan 13, 2014
HughBe wrote:

..... Second, you are correct that I call SOME of my men friends "girls" and everyone on this forum knows this to be true. Are you forgetting that "girls" is a term of endearment that I use for YOU, Frijoles and Eric? YES you are forgetting. Never forget it anymore.
This is common terminology among your fellow homosexuals as well.

Do not be ashamed of what is in your heart. Spread your wings and fly
like free-spirited fairy.

All is good with the world, my friend.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#65805 Jan 13, 2014
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- Please read with understanding. I would never say that no one says Mon. I have said that I do NOT KNOW any such person. Moreover, it is possible that because people like you believe and expect people in the resort areas to say MON they oblige.
.
Yes that's probably true.

And because we also expect people in France to speak French,
they do so when we go there.

Very smart of them to please the tourists.

Otherwise we would withhold our dollars.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#65806 Jan 13, 2014
Former----This is common terminology among your fellow homosexuals as well.

HughBe--- You have a perverted definition of FELLOW.

Consistent.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#65807 Jan 13, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
This is common terminology among your fellow homosexuals as well.
Do not be ashamed of what is in your heart. Spread your wings and fly
like free-spirited fairy.
All is good with the world, my friend.
A Jamaican Peter Pan!

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