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#60195 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So the main purpose of government is to protect individuals from others, why should government have the monopoly on that?
They don't. Ever hear of security companies.

But private companies have limited scope. If you are discriminated against or suffered through some other form of injustice, security companies aren't going to help you.

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#60196 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Pulled over on the side of the road demanding papers
Give me some more context. Why was it necessary for them to pull on gun on you? We're you being belligerent and posing a threat?

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#60197 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
If you dont pay them what do they do?
Garnish your wages, put a lien on your property, etc...
Voluntarist wrote:
Are you disagreeing that relationship with government is an involuntary one?
You were born into a world with governments. It's unrealistic if you think they'll ever disappear. Best to learn to work within the system and try improving the things you don't like rather than just complaining about them.

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#60198 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
High School Students Decide Who Lives, Dies Under Limited Healthcare
Assignment
School assignment places kids as heads of death panels
Adan Salazar
Infowars.com
Oct. 11, 2013
A high school assignment asking students to choose life or death for terminally-ill patients in a
real-world limited healthcare scenario has sparked outrage.
Freshmen and sophomore students
taking a social science class at the St.
Joseph-Ogden High School in St. Joseph,
Illinois, were provided a list of 10
fictional persons and asked to choose
six people who they felt deserved to
live. The other 4 would die.
“The following ten people have a
problem,” the lesson begins.“They are
all in desperate need of Kidney Dialysis
(the process that removes wastes from
the bloodstream). Unless they receive
this procedure, they will die. The local
hospital has enough machines to
support only six people. That means
four people are not going to live.”
The assignment asked students whether
a housewife, doctor, lawyer, disabled
person, cop, teacher, minister
(Luteran), college student, ex-convict or a prostitute ultimately deserved to meet their demise.
It listed the ten fictional terminal patients’ races, genders and ages, and asked pupils to score them
each with numerical values from 1 to 10, 1 being the person they would most like to survive.
The macabre nature of the assignment of course echoes what many believe Obamacare will
inevitably lead to, death panels which would have to be implemented in order to keep healthcare
premiums low.
Champion News writer Lennie Jarratt contacted the school and was told the lesson was not at all
about conditioning children to be indifferent to death panels, but was instead to teach students
about “social bias.”
“The teacher’s goal is to educate students on the fact that these social value biases exist, and that
hopefully students will see things from a different perspective after the activity is completed,” St.
Joseph-Ogden High School principal Brian Brooks told Jarratt.
Fox News radio host Todd Starnes says that explanation doesn’t hold water.
“No matter what how the school tries to explain it, a group of young kids was deciding who got to
live and who got a death sentence,” Starnes wrote.
“St. Joseph-Ogden High School’s social studies class sounds more like a recruitment center for the
Department of Health and Human Services.”
http://www.infowars.com/high-school-students-...
1. Organ waiting lists exist in today's system (without Obamacare) and base decisions on various factors such as age and overall health of the patient. The thinking is based on who will be most likely to survive after the transplant.

2. In a free market system, only one criteria will be used to decide who will receive organs and who won't - whoever has the most money.

Thanks, but I'll stick with the current system. Seems more fair and rational to me.
Voluntarist

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#60200 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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They don't. Ever hear of security companies.
But private companies have limited scope. If you are discriminated against or suffered through some other form of injustice, security companies aren't going to help you.
Limited scope because government has the monopoly on force.
Voluntarist

United States

#60202 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Garnish your wages, put a lien on your property, etc...
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You were born into a world with governments. It's unrealistic if you think they'll ever disappear. Best to learn to work within the system and try improving the things you don't like rather than just complaining about them.
Steal your money by force of a gun, that's aggression.

Sometimes people are born into a family of pedophiles , so its best to work within the rules of the pedophiles?

So you agree that relationship with government is not voluntary.
Voluntarist

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#60203 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Give me some more context. Why was it necessary for them to pull on gun on you? We're you being belligerent and posing a threat?
If someone pulls a gun in your face after you park your car which one poses a threat?

Who's rights are being protected?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60204 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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But government supports morality and ethics through laws , rules and regulation.
sometimes it does. sometimes not.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60205 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Really now, you are claiming that people accept government ruling over them by choice?
Reject the premise. I participate WITH government. Government is me (and you). It does not lord over me. At least in the way you perceive it lords over you. Wrong type of relationship.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#60206 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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1. Organ waiting lists exist in today's system (without Obamacare) and base decisions on various factors such as age and overall health of the patient. The thinking is based on who will be most likely to survive after the transplant.
2. In a free market system, only one criteria will be used to decide who will receive organs and who won't - whoever has the most money.
Thanks, but I'll stick with the current system. Seems more fair and rational to me.
Under the current system, private entities of which you have limited control and influence with, called insurance companies, often make the decisions regarding standard of care. Under Obama-care, this relationship continues, more or less, maybe tweaked a little, but essentially the same.

The concern about death panels is misdirected. Its already here. Why tea party people cant see that is beyond me.

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#60207 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Limited scope because government has the monopoly on force.
Yes, and for good reason. Forgot what happened in Iraq with Blackwater?

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#60208 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Steal your money by force of a gun, that's aggression.
Sometimes people are born into a family of pedophiles , so its best to work within the rules of the pedophiles?
So you agree that relationship with government is not voluntary.
Is that your idea of a valid metaphor? You are one sick puppy.

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#60209 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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If someone pulls a gun in your face after you park your car which one poses a threat?
Who's rights are being protected?

Why do I feel like you're holding back some crucial details leading up to the incident.
Voluntarist

United States

#60210 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Is that your idea of a valid metaphor? You are one sick puppy.
Yes

Theft is a crime as well as pedophilia.
Voluntarist

United States

#60211 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Why do I feel like you're holding back some crucial details leading up to the incident.
Doesn't matter that it was a case of mistaken identity, being belligerent isn't deserving of a gun to the face otherwise the dmv workers would have them in their faces daily.
Voluntarist

United States

#60212 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Yes, and for good reason. Forgot what happened in Iraq with Blackwater?
Black water was the because of government.
Voluntarist

United States

#60213 Oct 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Under the current system, private entities of which you have limited control and influence with, called insurance companies, often make the decisions regarding standard of care. Under Obama-care, this relationship continues, more or less, maybe tweaked a little, but essentially the same.
The concern about death panels is misdirected. Its already here. Why tea party people cant see that is beyond me.
So the only difference is that there are tweaked death panels?
Voluntarist

United States

#60214 Oct 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Reject the premise. I participate WITH government. Government is me (and you). It does not lord over me. At least in the way you perceive it lords over you. Wrong type of relationship.
Government isn't you, government tells you what you can't do.
Voluntarist

United States

#60216 Oct 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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sometimes it does. sometimes not.
So its not necessary for government to support ethics and morals?

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#60217 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Government isn't you, government tells you what you can't do.
Government of the people, by the people, for the people.

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