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#60172 Oct 11, 2013
A person is good when his genes are sound and are supported by lofty environmental impulses.
Voluntarist

United States

#60173 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Some can, some can't.
Those who would be moral and respectful of others will, under normal conditions, most likely be moral and respectful with or without religion and, most likely, with or without Government.
Those who would NOT be moral and respectful of others under normal conditions, will most likely still NOT be moral and respecful with religion or Government, BUT, with government, they will be physically dissuaded from causing harm to others.
Government should be there to prevent those who can't be moral or ethical from hurting those who can.
e.g.
When people line up outside of Walmart for a Black Friday deal, tell me what happens when rules and security are lax.
So people need government through force to be moral and ethical but people dont need religion.

Would you agree that some people need religion?

Isn't it a religios principle in general to not harm others?

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#60174 Oct 11, 2013
India's coastal south-eastern states, Odisha and Andhra Pradesh, brace for a super-cyclone named Phailin that's presently centered some 300 km off the coast in the Bay of Bengal with wind speeds reaching 315 kmph. Landfall expected by Saturday evening. If the intensity doesn't weaken, it's gonna be a major disaster in terms of mass destruction of life and property. It's raining in Mumbai.

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#60175 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>

Isn't it a religious principle in general to not harm others?
Most religions except Buddhism and Jainism teach their followers to deride, fight and harm the followers of other faiths.
Voluntarist

United States

#60176 Oct 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
straw position
No one here has stated that government is necessary to provide morality or ethics.
But government supports morality and ethics through laws , rules and regulation.
Voluntarist

United States

#60177 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct. At a minimum, they are there to provide protection "from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Minarchism]. That is indisputable to any sane person.
All of the rest of the services that Government offers is up for fair discussion. As a progressive, I happen to think there is more they can offer. Libertarians, naturally, feel differently.
I dont have a problem with what they offer but how they offer it, they wouldn't have to point a gun if people willingly accepted their services.

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#60178 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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But government supports morality and ethics through laws , rules and regulation.
provided the laws, rules and regulations are moral and ethical and provided they are implemented.

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#60179 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist needs a brain transplant - and he needs it fast. LOL.

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#60180 Oct 11, 2013
Hugh,

Would you like to visit a BREASTAURANT where voluptuous young waitresses serve a lot of steaks and mashed potatoes with a generous view of their exposed breasts?

(grins)
Voluntarist

United States

#60182 Oct 11, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Voluntarist needs a brain transplant - and he needs it fast. LOL.
Since you have been seeing medical doctors lately ill take yours after they end up killing you, like they do in the US after they empty your bank account.

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#60183 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
So people need government through force to be moral and ethical but people dont need religion.
Complete opposite of what I said. I said moral people will be moral with or without religion and government, and immoral people will be immoral with or without religion and government, but Government is necessary to prevent the immoral from hurting others.
Voluntarist wrote:
Would you agree that some people need religion?
Some people are comforted by it, but they certainly don't need it to be moral.
Voluntarist wrote:
Isn't it a religios principle in general to not harm others?
Not every religion. Some actively preach violence against others, particularly non-believers. I would say its a fundamental human principle, and since religion is a human construct, it sometimes carries that principle forward. But again, religion is not required. You should also note that there are many concepts preached in the Bible that any sane person today would consider immoral.

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#60184 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Since you have been seeing medical doctors lately ill take yours after they end up killing you, like they do in the US after they empty your bank account.
Please, don't jump to rash conclusions and never generalize.

My case is very different and cannot be understood by the ordinary mind who sees disease and deficiency in everything.

My doctors will kill me? LOL.

Why this hatred of the medical fraternity?

My doctors know me since I was born and are highly respected and famous medical experts. They love me and want the best for me.

BTW, I "know" through the yogic consciousness that I'll leave my body (die) at age 79 provided a violent adverse force attack does not shorten my life.

So, if everything works out well for me, I'll live till 79. That's a long way off.

If tomorrow you need a blood transfusion, where will you go? To your naturopath? LOL.

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#60185 Oct 11, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont have a problem with what they offer but how they offer it, they wouldn't have to point a gun if people willingly accepted their services.
Lay off the hyperbole. When was the last time a government agent pointed a gun to your head, and why?
Voluntarist

United States

#60186 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Complete opposite of what I said. I said moral people will be moral with or without religion and government, and immoral people will be immoral with or without religion and government, but Government is necessary to prevent the immoral from hurting others.
<quoted text>
Some people are comforted by it, but they certainly don't need it to be moral.
<quoted text>
Not every religion. Some actively preach violence against others, particularly non-believers. I would say its a fundamental human principle, and since religion is a human construct, it sometimes carries that principle forward. But again, religion is not required. You should also note that there are many concepts preached in the Bible that any sane person today would consider immoral.
So the main purpose of government is to protect individuals from others, why should government have the monopoly on that?
Voluntarist

United States

#60187 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Lay off the hyperbole. When was the last time a government agent pointed a gun to your head, and why?
Pulled over on the side of the road demanding papers
Voluntarist

United States

#60188 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Lay off the hyperbole. When was the last time a government agent pointed a gun to your head, and why?
If you dont pay them what do they do?

Are you disagreeing that relationship with government is an involuntary one?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60191 Oct 11, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Hugh,
Would you like to visit a BREASTAURANT where voluptuous young waitresses serve a lot of steaks and mashed potatoes with a generous view of their exposed breasts?
(grins)
Joel---Would you like to visit a BREASTAURANT where voluptuous young waitresses serve a lot of steaks and mashed potatoes with a generous view of their exposed breasts?

Hugh--- Hands down, I would want them to serve FISH with the mashed potatoes. So YES to your question.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60192 Oct 11, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
Eric is very low down the intelligence scale and lacks class and has very little decency.
He's also a born fanatic and a rabid Zionist - a foul subhuman type.
But, what Eric fails to understand is that in an open debate his arguments will easily be blown to bits and all his cult beliefs exposed as sheer nonsense and his talk about future Messiah shown as bullshit in view of the evolutionary movement of nature and being.
Yes, one should interact with all kinds of people - refined, unclassy, genetically normal, eugenically abnormal, possessed, un-possessed, straight, gay, bisexual, intelligent, pseudo-intellectual, theistic, atheistic, mystical, wealthy, poor, educated, illiterate, moral, immoral, fanatical, sensual, decent, tribal and crass.
Though unity in variety is the universal law, it does not mean that everyone and/or everything is on an equal footing.
It's a hierarchy with each element occupying a place on the ladder depending on its worth.
Talk to Eric more on secular matters but don't encourage talk on his observant Jewish bull shit.
Treat him like an out-caste fit to be derided and laughed at considering what he is - a filthy, brainless, fanatical rat of perverse genetic makeup.
To put it bluntly - Eric is not fit to polish my shoes.
Anyway, let the riff raff do as he pleases since nothing is gonna change him....he's in self-destructive mode. LOL.
Joel---Eric ... lacks class and has very little decency.

Hugh--- Perfectly correct

Joel---He's also a born fanatic and a rabid Zionist - a foul subhuman type.

Hugh--- Disagree with the BORN and SUBHUMAN. Everything else seems correct

Joel--But, what Eric fails to understand is that in an open debate his arguments will easily be blown to bits and all his cult beliefs exposed as sheer nonsense and his talk about future Messiah shown as bullshit in view of the evolutionary movement of nature and being.

Hugh--- Blown to bits because he lacks intelligence plus many of his beliefs are FALSE.

Joel--Talk to Eric more on secular matters but don't encourage talk on his observant Jewish bull shit.

Hugh--- Is he capable?

Joel---Treat him like.. a filthy, brainless, fanatical rat of perverse ...makeup.

Hugh---I have no objection to those observations.

Joel---Anyway, let the riff raff do as he pleases since nothing is gonna change him....he's in self-destructive mode. LOL.

Hugh--- Nothing will change him because he embraces DARKNESS and filth.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60193 Oct 11, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Humo,
Where are you, Mon?
(smiles)
I feel that you want to Humo-r me.
Voluntarist

United States

#60194 Oct 11, 2013
High School Students Decide Who Lives, Dies Under Limited Healthcare
Assignment
School assignment places kids as heads of death panels
Adan Salazar
Infowars.com
Oct. 11, 2013
A high school assignment asking students to choose life or death for terminally-ill patients in a
real-world limited healthcare scenario has sparked outrage.
Freshmen and sophomore students
taking a social science class at the St.
Joseph-Ogden High School in St. Joseph,
Illinois, were provided a list of 10
fictional persons and asked to choose
six people who they felt deserved to
live. The other 4 would die.
“The following ten people have a
problem,” the lesson begins.“They are
all in desperate need of Kidney Dialysis
(the process that removes wastes from
the bloodstream). Unless they receive
this procedure, they will die. The local
hospital has enough machines to
support only six people. That means
four people are not going to live.”
The assignment asked students whether
a housewife, doctor, lawyer, disabled
person, cop, teacher, minister
(Luteran), college student, ex-convict or a prostitute ultimately deserved to meet their demise.
It listed the ten fictional terminal patients’ races, genders and ages, and asked pupils to score them
each with numerical values from 1 to 10, 1 being the person they would most like to survive.
The macabre nature of the assignment of course echoes what many believe Obamacare will
inevitably lead to, death panels which would have to be implemented in order to keep healthcare
premiums low.
Champion News writer Lennie Jarratt contacted the school and was told the lesson was not at all
about conditioning children to be indifferent to death panels, but was instead to teach students
about “social bias.”
“The teacher’s goal is to educate students on the fact that these social value biases exist, and that
hopefully students will see things from a different perspective after the activity is completed,” St.
Joseph-Ogden High School principal Brian Brooks told Jarratt.
Fox News radio host Todd Starnes says that explanation doesn’t hold water.
“No matter what how the school tries to explain it, a group of young kids was deciding who got to
live and who got a death sentence,” Starnes wrote.
“St. Joseph-Ogden High School’s social studies class sounds more like a recruitment center for the
Department of Health and Human Services.”
http://www.infowars.com/high-school-students-...

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