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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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Voluntarist

United States

#51720 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Well, the fact is he got caught and had to pay a steep price. Thats good enough for the rest of us. And him. Government and laws exist.
Referring to what are the facts that the law is applicable.
Still waiting.

It always comes down to the gun.
Voluntarist

United States

#51721 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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can you give us an example of (voluntarist) consensual government?
Lacking an example, my belief is that your ideas are impractical over 20,000 years of human existence.
Sure, if i do will you give me $1000
Voluntarist

United States

#51722 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Straw argument. That wasnt the point of that.
You really should study your political theory. Your fellow libertarians must be aghast.
You have the straw man argument , will smith being the straw man .
People settle cases all day long without admitting guilt.

Asking for the facts is not a straw man argument.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51723 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Referring to what are the facts that the law is applicable.
Still waiting.
It always comes down to the gun.
Straw position.

That wasnt your assertion. Your assertion was that the law and the state did not exist. Will proves it does. How it does was never in dispute.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51724 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Sure, if i do will you give me $1000
IOW you concede on the issue of the practicality, and therefore the reality, of your ideas....

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51725 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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You have the straw man argument , will smith being the straw man .
People settle cases all day long without admitting guilt.
Asking for the facts is not a straw man argument.
The fact he had to settle anything indicates that there was a structure....

You are obsessed with the minutia - but that isnt the point. The point is - DOES the state exist or does it not? Obviously it does. And it doesnt care what you think, only that you act in accordance.
Austinite

Austin, TX

#51726 May 4, 2013
I recall reading a few years back about Israel denying immigration to Israel black jews from Ethiopia. Rather ironic since they are supposed to be the direct decendants of Soloman.
Voluntarist

United States

#51727 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Straw position.
That wasnt your assertion. Your assertion was that the law and the state did not exist. Will proves it does. How it does was never in dispute.
No my question was what facts do you rely on that the constitition and code are applicable.
Voluntarist

United States

#51728 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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IOW you concede on the issue of the practicality, and therefore the reality, of your ideas....
An hoa is an example of a voluntary government.
Voluntarist

United States

#51729 May 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact he had to settle anything indicates that there was a structure....
You are obsessed with the minutia - but that isnt the point. The point is - DOES the state exist or does it not? Obviously it does. And it doesnt care what you think, only that you act in accordance.
No that wasnt the question but now that you mention it, factually what is the state?
Voluntarist

United States

#51730 May 4, 2013
Report: U.S. Government and NATO
Worked with Bin Laden and His Top
Lieutenant 3 Months AFTER 9/11
Posted by WashingtonsBlog
FBI Translator Alleges that Bin Laden and His
Number 2 Worked as Part of Operation Gladio
Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds has been
deemed credible by the Department of
Justice’s Inspector General, several senators
(free subscription required), and a coalition of
prominent conservative and liberal groups.
The ACLU described Edmonds as:
The most gagged person in the history of the
United States of America.
And famed Pentagon Papers whistleblower
Daniel Ellsberg says that Edmonds possesses
information “far more explosive than the
Pentagon Papers”.
Edmonds translated terror-related
communications for the FBI right after 9/11.
In that capacity, she read communications
between terrorists and other radicals.
Edmonds said last week that Bin Laden – and
his number 2 Al Qaeda lieutenant – Ayman
al-Zawahiri – worked with the U.S.
government for 3 months after 9/11 to
coordinate destablization in the Caucus
region:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/report...
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51731 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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As long as it is consensual.
If you don't believe in democracy, what form of gov't DO you believe in?

It seems you're saying only 100% consensus is acceptable. How do you get 100% to agree on ANYTHING?

Again, what form of gov't do you propose?
JOEL

Pune, India

#51732 May 4, 2013
Democracy is veiled autocracy.
JOEL

Pune, India

#51733 May 4, 2013
Laws and the state are mental constructs enforced through physical means.
JOEL

Pune, India

#51734 May 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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No that wasnt the question but now that you mention it, factually what is the state?
What is will?

A mental energy directed through the motor nerves that affects the effector muscles or organs.

You first conceive, then execute.

So, the state is not a mere abstraction, but a mental model with constitution, laws, rights, etc, that have their physical equivalents when applied or materialized through the physical instrumental parts. Even a geo-political border is first conceived in the mind and then the physical markers are laid out in precisely the same fashion as envisioned or desired by the mind.

To begin with everything is a mental construct that's later executed through the physical energy or via the physical instrumental parts when they become concrete facts.

You're a dunce.
Voluntarist

United States

#51735 May 4, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't believe in democracy, what form of gov't DO you believe in?
It seems you're saying only 100% consensus is acceptable. How do you get 100% to agree on ANYTHING?
Again, what form of gov't do you propose?
A voluntary society
Voluntarist

United States

#51736 May 4, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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What is will?
A mental energy directed through the motor nerves that affects the effector muscles or organs.
You first conceive, then execute.
So, the state is not a mere abstraction, but a mental model with constitution, laws, rights, etc, that have their physical equivalents when applied or materialized through the physical instrumental parts. Even a geo-political border is first conceived in the mind and then the physical markers are laid out in precisely the same fashion as envisioned or desired by the mind.
To begin with everything is a mental construct that's later executed through the physical energy or via the physical instrumental parts when they become concrete facts.
You're a dunce.
Thanks for your input, unfortunetely its irrelevant.

If its a mental construct then it has no standing in a court of law.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51737 May 5, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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If its a mental construct then it has no standing in a court of law.
ROFL.

So, you've proven that you're a double dunce.

You failed to understand my post.

You've not understood an iota of the logic I provided.

I elucidated the issue under consideration in my previous post and in general it explains every facet of human activity using the mind-matter model - mind conceives, physical instrumentation executes under guidance from the mind. Without the mind there will be no materialization of ideas.

Go back, if interested, and re-read my previous post.

You've got the IQ of a moron.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51738 May 5, 2013
WHAT AILS INDIA?

1) Religion

2) Population

3) Corruption

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#51739 May 5, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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An hoa is an example of a voluntary government.
HOAs are not full governments.

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