Sound Off! (Feb. 16)

Sound Off! (Feb. 16)

There are 37 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Feb 16, 2011, titled Sound Off! (Feb. 16). In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

Mr. Wingenroth, we are not in Juarez where the life is pretty corrupt. Judges, you are put there to protect us.

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Notsofast

United States

#23 Feb 16, 2011
Sarcastic Bombastic wrote:
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Interesting in that it wasn't you to whom I was referring! It was someone who often refers to himself as Ret. NAVY who holds a few degrees, who was being condescending & believed his education exceeded mine & that his Navy experience gave him more insight.
As for the info you posted, that isn't the Debka article...but more info posted on a blog. I know this because I was participating under different monikers for each of the various forums back then...with this being one of them.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php...
The info you posted wasn't proven to be solid & then for those trying to use the Wikileaks info as conclusive proof...let's put it this way, had their been conclusive proof, the Bush Administration would have been providing it to save face with the international community.
Sometimes in the intelligence world, stuff is leaked deliberately and when done so, it is usually to deliberately disseminate misinformation. The US Govt has used such methods (primarily via CIA) and so has Israel with the Mossad.
My point to the person I was directing my comment to (NOT YOU OldNavy2001) was to prove a point, that he was to quick to dismiss my being leery of 'informants' as having a self-serving agenda & his condescension was uncalled for especially in light of his key argument/witness having lied.
Here's the wikileaks read via BritanniaRadio Blogspot
http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2010/10/wi...
I'll call your attention to both sides of the coin. Although I'm a Jew, I'm not going to deny that some extremist within Israel's government haven't been known to resort to similar methods used by the CIA.
Bush/Cheney ruled by fear. Now we have this evil mentality encoded into law:

http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-02-04/opinion...

Soon, very soon, we shall experience this new Amerika.

“Your DQCC Limit is Maxed!”

Since: Sep 08

In Utero (originally)

#24 Feb 16, 2011
Notsofast wrote:
<quoted text>
Bush/Cheney ruled by fear. Now we have this evil mentality encoded into law:
http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-02-04/opinion...
Soon, very soon, we shall experience this new Amerika.
You want to say "they ruled by fear" & I on the other hand say that they exploited people's ignorance. I believe in personal accountability & refuse to blame them for people being apathetic and not researching the matter...ultimately making themselves ignorant. It is painstakingly appalling that so many people in our country know so little about US or World History & much less about current national & world affairs. Some people on these forums constantly ridicule NM, the education here, and the "culture"; however, this problem isn't exclusive to NM & it's a national problem.

It's sad to admit that many immigrants know more about US history than citizens. Some will argue that it is because they are tested for citizenship, and that is highly probable; however, the fact remains that it is a sad testament.

“Your DQCC Limit is Maxed!”

Since: Sep 08

In Utero (originally)

#25 Feb 16, 2011
Notsofast wrote:
<quoted text>
Bush/Cheney ruled by fear. Now we have this evil mentality encoded into law:
http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-02-04/opinion...
Soon, very soon, we shall experience this new Amerika.
I didn't comment on the article earlier because I hadn't yet read it. Now that I have, I still feel I'd need to do research on this particular matter to better address it. I'm very much one that advocates for national security, and that is why I come unglued with people that just want to strictly focus on one ethnic group. When we can't look at the broad spectrum of potential risk, we open the door to being exploited. So, I'll research the fine details of the proposed legislation. I don't feel it wise to comment on the matter without knowing all the intricate details. Thanks for the link.
Notsofast

United States

#26 Feb 16, 2011
Sarcastic Bombastic wrote:
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I didn't comment on the article earlier because I hadn't yet read it. Now that I have, I still feel I'd need to do research on this particular matter to better address it. I'm very much one that advocates for national security, and that is why I come unglued with people that just want to strictly focus on one ethnic group. When we can't look at the broad spectrum of potential risk, we open the door to being exploited. So, I'll research the fine details of the proposed legislation. I don't feel it wise to comment on the matter without knowing all the intricate details. Thanks for the link.
Did you see the action on the WMD fiasco today?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/16/c...

“Your DQCC Limit is Maxed!”

Since: Sep 08

In Utero (originally)

#27 Feb 16, 2011
Notsofast wrote:
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Did you see the action on the WMD fiasco today?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/16/c...
Yes, and I referenced it on #10. The link I posted was different than "The Guardian", but it referenced the source as "The Guardian". I use Marumushi Newsmap/Newstree & it typically gives an array of sources.

http://newsmap.jp/ #

“Close the Borders”

Since: Jun 08

Out in the County

#28 Feb 17, 2011
Sarcastic Bombastic wrote:
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Yes, and I referenced it on #10. The link I posted was different than "The Guardian", but it referenced the source as "The Guardian". I use Marumushi Newsmap/Newstree & it typically gives an array of sources.
http://newsmap.jp/ #
That is a pretty cool website. Will have to take serious look at it later
Open your eyes

Brighton, MI

#29 Feb 17, 2011
Open your eyes wrote:
People need to get their news from more than one source, and verify before you believe anything. Especially if it's on an opinion show like O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Maddow, and Olbermann. They're slanting the facts to fit their opinions.
The University of Maryland conducted a study, called "Misinformation and the 2010 Election," looked at "variations in misinformation by exposure to news sources," among other things, and specifically newspapers and news magazines (in print and online), network TV news broadcasts, NPR and PBS, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN.
The study found that daily Fox News viewers, regardless of political party, were "significantly" more likely than non-viewers to erroneously believe that:
•Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
•Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
•The economy is getting worse (26 points)
•Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)
•The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)
•Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)
•The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)
•When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)
•And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)
The study also found that as exposure to Fox News increased, so did the misinformation.
But Fox News wasn't the only offender:
Daily consumers of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) were higher (34 points and 25 points respectively) in believing that it was proven that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending money raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates. Daily watchers of network TV news broadcasts were 12 points higher in believing that TARP was signed into law by President Obama, and 11 points higher in believing that most Republicans oppose TARP.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/de...
Fox News gets it wrong...again.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/2011...
sane sage

Duncan, NM

#30 Feb 17, 2011
Easy Answer wrote:
<quoted text>Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Calvert Foundation funded the study. Does that tell you anything about a possible bias?
Not when confirmed by other studies over the years. I'm sure you have a study that disputes the conclusions of the study you would be happy to post so we can dig into it. Surely some think tank could dummy up such a study. They do it for everything else. maybe Breitbart could use some false video.
sane sage

Duncan, NM

#31 Feb 17, 2011
Notsofast wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you see the action on the WMD fiasco today?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/16/c...
That is nothing more than confirmation of what the group Bush and his thugs called traitors back in 2002. Millions in the streets well fully aware the rush to war consisted of nothing but lies and fear.
sane sage

Duncan, NM

#32 Feb 17, 2011
sorry: Millions in the streets were fully aware the rush to war consisted of nothing but lies and fear.
Even Sadder

Albuquerque, NM

#33 Feb 17, 2011
sane sage wrote:
sorry: Millions in the streets were fully aware the rush to war consisted of nothing but lies and fear.
is the fact that both Democrats and Republicans fell for and created the lies and fear.

“Your DQCC Limit is Maxed!”

Since: Sep 08

In Utero (originally)

#34 Feb 17, 2011
oldnavy2001 wrote:
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That is a pretty cool website. Will have to take serious look at it later
It's been a long standing favorite of mine. I hope you enjoy utilizing it, as you can often find news that would otherwise go unnoticed by many.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#35 Feb 17, 2011
Open your eyes wrote:
People need to get their news from more than one source, and verify before you believe anything. Especially if it's on an opinion show like O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Maddow, and Olbermann. They're slanting the facts to fit their opinions.
The University of Maryland conducted a study, called "Misinformation and the 2010 Election," looked at "variations in misinformation by exposure to news sources," among other things, and specifically newspapers and news magazines (in print and online), network TV news broadcasts, NPR and PBS, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN.
The study found that daily Fox News viewers, regardless of political party, were "significantly" more likely than non-viewers to erroneously believe that:
•Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
•Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
•The economy is getting worse (26 points)
•Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)
•The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)
•Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)
•The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)
•When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)
•And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)
•Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
•Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
•The economy is getting worse (26 points)
•Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)
•The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)
•Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)
•The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)
•When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)
•And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)
•Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
•Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
•The economy is getting worse (26 points)
•Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)
•The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)
•Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)
•The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)
•When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)
•And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)
The study also found that as exposure to Fox News increased, so did the misinformation.
But Fox News wasn't the only offender:
Daily consumers of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) were higher (34 points and 25 points respectively) in believing that it was proven that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending money raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates. Daily watchers of network TV news broadcasts were 12 points higher in believing that TARP was signed into law by President Obama, and 11 points higher in believing that most Republicans oppose TARP.
The failings of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS)was the key word PROVEN. It hadn't been proven that the foreign money had gone to political advertising. And while it hasn't been adjudicated, there is ample proof that the Chamber had received foreign money.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#36 Feb 17, 2011
Easy Answer wrote: "Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Calvert Foundation funded the study. Does that tell you anything about a possible bias?"

and received this reply:
sane sage wrote:
<quoted text>
Not when confirmed by other studies over the years. I'm sure you have a study that disputes the conclusions of the study you would be happy to post so we can dig into it. Surely some think tank could dummy up such a study. They do it for everything else. maybe Breitbart could use some false video.
FuxNews does a GREAT job of inciting fear and hate.

Another study: From Religion News Service & Public Religion Research Institute:

The survey findings also show a significant correlation between trust in Fox News and negative attitudes about Muslims. Americans who most trust Fox News are more likely to believe that Muslims want to establish Shari'a law, have not done enough to oppose extremism, and believe investigating Muslim extremism is a good idea. There are even differences among Republicans and white evangelicals who trust Fox news most and those who trust other media.

•More than three-quarters (76%) of those who most trust Fox News say [the Congressional hearings to investigate alleged extremism in the American Muslim community] it is a good idea compared to only 45% of those who most trust CNN and 28% of those who most trust Public television.

•Seven-in-ten white evangelicals say the hearings are a good idea, compared to roughly half of white mainline Protestants (50%) and the unaffiliated (49%).”

•Young Americans (age 18 to 34)[NOT the FUXNEWS demographics] are much more likely to believe that Muslims have been targeted unfairly than older adults (age 65+)(48% to 27%)

•Nearly half (48%) of those who most trust CNN, a majority (57%) of those who most trust public television say that Muslims in the U.S. have been targeted unfairly by law enforcement, compared to only 16% of those who most trust Fox News.

•Those who most trust Fox News are twice as likely as those who most trust Broadcast news and about four times as likely those who most trust public television to believe this [Muslims want to establish Shari’a law as law of the land ](35%, 18% and 9%)

•More than one-third (34%) of white evangelicals believe Muslims are trying to impose Shari’a law, compared to only 20% of white mainline Protestants and 22% of white Catholics.

More info and links at: http://www.religionnews.com/index.php... & http://www.publicreligion.org/research/...

BTW: Like my new avatar?

“Your DQCC Limit is Maxed!”

Since: Sep 08

In Utero (originally)

#37 Feb 17, 2011
PlacitasRoy wrote:
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The failings of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS)was the key word PROVEN. It hadn't been proven that the foreign money had gone to political advertising. And while it hasn't been adjudicated, there is ample proof that the Chamber had received foreign money.
Your new moniker icon reminds me of the article I cited on #21. ;-) I'm beginning to think I unintentionally inspired the change. ;-)

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#38 Feb 17, 2011
sane sage wrote:
sorry: Millions in the streets were fully aware the rush to war consisted of nothing but lies and fear.
And Dubya made use of the right-wings hate mongering as well. The corporate media was damn near as guilty as FuxNews and hate radio.
Former LCTrojan fan

Farmington, NM

#39 Feb 19, 2011
Former LCTrojan fan wrote:
Mayfield loses to LCHS 2/16
Tommy Morrow basketball at its worst!!!!
With a 3 point lead at the end of the 3rd, Mayfield went to their famous/infamous wheel offence (work it around the outside only and stall). There were ZERO interior passes in the fourth quarter and Mayfield goes down by 9....thats a 12 point swing in the fourth. The Mayfield guards shot/turnover their way to a big loss because the Dawgs put ball pressure on the guards and cheated inside, this was a perfectly winable game. Marshall is held in check the entire game with no command for the game, except for a breakaway dunk in the 3rd quarter when Avron Garcia moved out of the way on a drive and let Marshall dunk on him...absolutely unforgivable in a tough district game. But lets not get away from the true reason for this bitter loss.....Tommy Morrow basketball.....Its lame.....Its outdated......Its boring.....Its just tired and old.....
Tommy Morrow basketball is just good enough to lose respectably.......
Sincerely, former LCTrojan fan
So....I go to Mayfield High School today and see Tommy Morrow. Thinking in my head about the things I wrote here after the LCHS loss on tuesday. Feeling justified in my position of the fact that I am not a fan of the slow it down and work it around offence. Tommy proceeds to talk about the game in his soft spoken voice you cant help but like him as a person...... I want to rant and rave.....I just couldnt....
Though I truly believe that he will never bring a championship to Mayfield regardless of the talent he has, I can do nothing but wish him my best. So here is my sincere most hopefull wishes......

Tommy Morrow, I wish great things for you and your teams you coach. May you get the best out of your players and may they give their best to you. I hope and pray that you coach your way to a NM high school championship at Mayfield. I hope that you have the strength to change your coaching style to the strengths of the players that come to Mayfield. Beat Las Cruces High always. God speed and God bless.
LCTrojanfan

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