Sound Off! (Feb. 16)

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Mr. Wingenroth, we are not in Juarez where the life is pretty corrupt. Judges, you are put there to protect us.
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Ruu

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I agree with that 75 year old driver, I have myself seen
alot of ignorant drivers, some of those drivers I'm about
to reach the trafic light and some idiot that wants to get
there first just cuts in front and I have to slam on the
brakes just so I won't crash with this idiot, and some just
do it to act all macho, I'm an older driver too and I think
also like the 75 old driver, this other careless drivers
are the ones that should take the test not him, If you have
a good driving record all through those years I think he's
gonna keep it clean for another longer time and be proud of it allso.
Spell It Out for Me

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Sarcastic Bombastic wrote:
Well, since the 16th Sound Off is identical to that of the 15th, are we to assume that the Las Cruces area has run out of complaints that LCSN had to resort to posting a repeat? Not likely...not with too many whiny locals & transplants.
Or has the LCSN staffer in charge of Sound Off gotten lazy? Had too much to drink? Enjoying redundancy? Or is an early display of Alzheimer's? Can't you all put some Sound Offs that are worth reading that would inspire some dialogue other than just insults? Walt, care to respond?
Either way, I hope the responses are better reading than yesterdays. Orville seemed to be the only one worth reading & seemed to be pressing someone's buttons without much effort.
SB, unfortunately some readers are not that quick on the uptake, if you know what I mean. I think the LCSN is recycling the column so they have a chance to keep up. LOL.
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Mayfield loses to LCHS 2/16

Tommy Morrow basketball at its worst!!!!

With a 3 point lead at the end of the 3rd, Mayfield went to their famous/infamous wheel offence (work it around the outside only and stall). There were ZERO interior passes in the fourth quarter and Mayfield goes down by 9....thats a 12 point swing in the fourth. The Mayfield guards shot/turnover their way to a big loss because the Dawgs put ball pressure on the guards and cheated inside, this was a perfectly winable game. Marshall is held in check the entire game with no command for the game, except for a breakaway dunk in the 3rd quarter when Avron Garcia moved out of the way on a drive and let Marshall dunk on him...absolutely unforgivable in a tough district game. But lets not get away from the true reason for this bitter loss.....Tommy Morrow basketball.....Its lame.....Its outdated......Its boring.....Its just tired and old.....

Tommy Morrow basketball is just good enough to lose respectably.......

Sincerely, former LCTrojan fan

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The "Judges, you are put there to protect us." comment is just as ignorant today as it was yesterday. Judges are there to oversee the administration of justice while insuring the laws are followed; theoretically with fairness, impartiality, and free from prejudice and outside influences.

Any protection comes from the applicable laws that apply to the cases they are overseeing.
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So Friday the 11th's SoundOff was dated February 14, and today's SoundOff is a cut-and-paste of yesterday's.

Many thanks to the Sun News and their hardworking staff.
Proud Native New Mexican

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If you voted for Governor Martinez because she said she would take the drivers licenses of illegals, and you do not know how your Senator or State Representative is voting, go to
www.newmexicovotes.org and find out. It is amazing how many of our legislators tell us that they are our voice in Santa Fe and then do not vote accordingly. Find out. Then let them know that if they do not keep their election promises, you will be voting for someone else. Maybe the Sun News can put up a graph comparing campaign promises and the actual voting. That would be news worthy, don't you think?
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when is Onate high going to be responsible for their students doing as they please. their security stinks!!!close the campus and allow only those who are allow to go off with proper permission.

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Back when the support was being strummed up to invade Iraq, I was one of those speaking out against going to war based on the misleading propaganda cry that is still strewn about like if it's accurate: "It's a fight for our freedom!" I was opposed to the war because of the fact that nothing seemed to be in place to deal with the potential damage to the infrastructure, the vacuum it would create in the tinderbox with regard to extremism & terrorist, our relations with foreign governments would become estranged, we were already in Afghanistan with a 'mission', and most of all because of the numbers of casualties (military & civilian).

I remember one of the regulars spewing his "fighting for our freedom" tried using this person's reports, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, as WMDs existing. When I stated that these people's 'intel' couldn't be taken as gospel because many of these informants just wanted to leave their homeland & this was an easy way of doing so. I was told that I was naive & didn't have a clear understanding of all involved...like if this clown knew my background just because he served in the Navy & sees himself as an expert re national defense.

Well here you go, read it & learn now re this particular informant.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-402...

As for the 'Navy' guy, yeah...I already know that you won't admit being wrong.

Since: Sep 08

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Sarcastic Bombastic wrote:
Back when the support was being strummed up to invade Iraq, I was one of those speaking out against going to war based on the misleading propaganda cry that is still strewn about like if it's accurate: "It's a fight for our freedom!" I was opposed to the war because of the fact that nothing seemed to be in place to deal with the potential damage to the infrastructure, the vacuum it would create in the tinderbox with regard to extremism & terrorist, our relations with foreign governments would become estranged, we were already in Afghanistan with a 'mission', and most of all because of the numbers of casualties (military & civilian).
I remember one of the regulars spewing his "fighting for our freedom" tried using this person's reports, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, as WMDs existing. When I stated that these people's 'intel' couldn't be taken as gospel because many of these informants just wanted to leave their homeland & this was an easy way of doing so. I was told that I was naive & didn't have a clear understanding of all involved...like if this clown knew my background just because he served in the Navy & sees himself as an expert re national defense.
Well here you go, read it & learn now re this particular informant.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-402...
As for the 'Navy' guy, yeah...I already know that you won't admit being wrong.
EVERYTHING that comes out about Dubya's propaganda effort to whip up the hate and bigotry to justify his illegal and immoral war simply confirms everything the anti-war folks were saying in 2002. My standard question was, Sitting in rural New Mexico using a 486 computer, with windows 98 with 52 K AOL dial up know we were being LIED into war but 70% of the country didn't?

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Sarcastic Bombastic wrote:
As for the 'Navy' guy, yeah...I already know that you won't admit being wrong.
Won't admit being wrong until we go through Syria's Bekaa Valley.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly:(QUOTE) "Syria is reported by intelligence sources as having secretly disposed of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction by moving them into eastern Lebanon for burial in the Beqaa Valley. Iraq’s biological weapons may be there too. They were interred deep under the heroin poppy and cotton fields in two of the most fertile regions of Lebanon: the valley stretching between Jabal Akroum, the town of al Qbayyat and the Syrian border, and the land lying between the towns of Al Hirmil and al Labwah between the Orontes River and the Syrian frontier.

On February 14, about a month before the start of the war in Iraq, DEBKA-Net-Weekly Issue 97 ran an article captioned “Is Iraq’s WMD cache in Lebanon available to Al Qaeda?”

Now, our intelligence sources can disclose exclusively that the relocation of Iraq’s WMD systems took place between January 10 and March 10 and was completed just 10 days before the US-led offensive was launched against Iraq. The banned arsenal, hauled in giant tankers from Iraq to Syria and from there to the Bekaa Valley under Syrian special forces and military intelligence escort, was discharged into pits 6-8 meters across and 25-35 meters deep dug by Syrian army engineers. They were sealed and planted over with new seedlings. Nonetheless, their location is known and detectable with the right instruments. Our sources have learned that Syria was paid about $35 million to make Saddam Hussein’s forbidden weapons disappear.(CLOSE QUOTE)

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oldnavy2001 wrote:
Won't admit being wrong until we go through Syria's Bekaa Valley.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly:(QUOTE) "Syria is reported by intelligence sources as having secretly disposed of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction by moving them into eastern Lebanon for burial in the Beqaa Valley. Iraq’s biological weapons may be there too. They were interred deep under the heroin poppy and cotton fields in two of the most fertile regions of Lebanon: the valley stretching between Jabal Akroum, the town of al Qbayyat and the Syrian border, and the land lying between the towns of Al Hirmil and al Labwah between the Orontes River and the Syrian frontier.
On February 14, about a month before the start of the war in Iraq, DEBKA-Net-Weekly Issue 97 ran an article captioned “Is Iraq’s WMD cache in Lebanon available to Al Qaeda?”
Now, our intelligence sources can disclose exclusively that the relocation of Iraq’s WMD systems took place between January 10 and March 10 and was completed just 10 days before the US-led offensive was launched against Iraq. The banned arsenal, hauled in giant tankers from Iraq to Syria and from there to the Bekaa Valley under Syrian special forces and military intelligence escort, was discharged into pits 6-8 meters across and 25-35 meters deep dug by Syrian army engineers. They were sealed and planted over with new seedlings. Nonetheless, their location is known and detectable with the right instruments. Our sources have learned that Syria was paid about $35 million to make Saddam Hussein’s forbidden weapons disappear.(CLOSE QUOTE)
Interesting in that it wasn't you to whom I was referring! It was someone who often refers to himself as Ret. NAVY who holds a few degrees, who was being condescending & believed his education exceeded mine & that his Navy experience gave him more insight.

As for the info you posted, that isn't the Debka article...but more info posted on a blog. I know this because I was participating under different monikers for each of the various forums back then...with this being one of them.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php...

The info you posted wasn't proven to be solid & then for those trying to use the Wikileaks info as conclusive proof...let's put it this way, had their been conclusive proof, the Bush Administration would have been providing it to save face with the international community.

Sometimes in the intelligence world, stuff is leaked deliberately and when done so, it is usually to deliberately disseminate misinformation. The US Govt has used such methods (primarily via CIA) and so has Israel with the Mossad.

My point to the person I was directing my comment to (NOT YOU OldNavy2001) was to prove a point, that he was to quick to dismiss my being leery of 'informants' as having a self-serving agenda & his condescension was uncalled for especially in light of his key argument/witness having lied.

Here's the wikileaks read via BritanniaRadio Blogspot
http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2010/10/wi...

I'll call your attention to both sides of the coin. Although I'm a Jew, I'm not going to deny that some extremist within Israel's government haven't been known to resort to similar methods used by the CIA.

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Before some troll misconstrues my stating I'd use different monikers for the various forums...I mean the different blogs pertaining to WMDs & the war on sites non-Topix related.

Unlike some idiotic people who post regularly on Topix & use the same moniker for everything to include social networking sites, I don't. I don't use social networking sites; however, I do comment on various political & world event blogs/media sites, where people are mentally engaged & less prone to tossing our personal insults.
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Ruu wrote:
I agree with that 75 year old driver, I have myself seen
alot of ignorant drivers, some of those drivers I'm about
to reach the trafic light and some **** that wants to get
there first just cuts in front and I have to slam on the
brakes just so I won't crash with this ****, and some just
do it to act all macho, I'm an older driver too and I think
also like the 75 old driver, this other careless drivers
are the ones that should take the test not him, If you have
a good driving record all through those years I think he's
gonna keep it clean for another longer time and be proud of it allso.
Drivers should be evaluated on an individual basis, not as a group.
The state should mandate that each driver see an optomistrist and get a letter
stating the he/she is good to go for 2-3 years. Get your eyes examined every 3 yrs.

I understand that many people cannot afford that, but maybe they should not be driving
their old piece of metal. I've been wearing glasses since I was in first grade.
Need to be tested? Maybe the state and the Express offices would work something out.
But every year? No way, Jose! Treat us as individuals, not as a group.

Under the laws of this country, we are all equal, except that some are more equal
than others. Check out driving records, here and in neighboring states and insurance
Most people here in this area do not drive more than 5K miles except to go to & from
work or El Paso or north.

This area needs better driver training? No one should drive until 18yrs of age.
But this is a group. How dare I make this suggestion?

Ever see all the scuff makes on the curb sides? What's the speed limit in 99.44% of
this town?

LOOK AT YOUR SPEED-O-METER once in a while. Newer vehicles are much quieter.

Why is someone with 11 DUI's still on the street? WHERE ARE THE POLICE?

Why are so many police cars at home?
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'Arizona's governor is truth-challenged, alleging the federal government has not protected the border. There have been more arrests of illegals and more border agents under Obama than any other president in history.'

When an estimated 10% of the population of Mexico is living here in the U.S., illegally, I'd call that a failure too.
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People need to get their news from more than one source, and verify before you believe anything. Especially if it's on an opinion show like O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Maddow, and Olbermann. They're slanting the facts to fit their opinions.

The University of Maryland conducted a study, called "Misinformation and the 2010 Election," looked at "variations in misinformation by exposure to news sources," among other things, and specifically newspapers and news magazines (in print and online), network TV news broadcasts, NPR and PBS, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN.

The study found that daily Fox News viewers, regardless of political party, were "significantly" more likely than non-viewers to erroneously believe that:

•Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)

•Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)

•The economy is getting worse (26 points)

•Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)

•The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)

•Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)

•The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)

•When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)

•And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)

•Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)

•Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)

•The economy is getting worse (26 points)

•Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)

•The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)

•Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)

•The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)

•When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)

•And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)

•Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)

•Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)

•The economy is getting worse (26 points)

•Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)

•The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)

•Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)

•The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)

•When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)

•And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)

The study also found that as exposure to Fox News increased, so did the misinformation.

But Fox News wasn't the only offender:
Daily consumers of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) were higher (34 points and 25 points respectively) in believing that it was proven that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending money raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates. Daily watchers of network TV news broadcasts were 12 points higher in believing that TARP was signed into law by President Obama, and 11 points higher in believing that most Republicans oppose TARP.
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People need to get their news from more than one source, and verify before you believe anything. Especially if it's on an opinion show like O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Maddow, and Olbermann. They're slanting the facts to fit their opinions.

The University of Maryland conducted a study, called "Misinformation and the 2010 Election," looked at "variations in misinformation by exposure to news sources," among other things, and specifically newspapers and news magazines (in print and online), network TV news broadcasts, NPR and PBS, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN.

The study found that daily Fox News viewers, regardless of political party, were "significantly" more likely than non-viewers to erroneously believe that:

•Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)

•Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)

•The economy is getting worse (26 points)

•Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)

•The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)

•Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)

•The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)

•When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)

•And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)

The study also found that as exposure to Fox News increased, so did the misinformation.

But Fox News wasn't the only offender:
Daily consumers of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) were higher (34 points and 25 points respectively) in believing that it was proven that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending money raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates. Daily watchers of network TV news broadcasts were 12 points higher in believing that TARP was signed into law by President Obama, and 11 points higher in believing that most Republicans oppose TARP.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/de...
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Open your eyes wrote:
People need to get their news from more than one source, and verify before you believe anything. Especially if it's on an opinion show like O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Maddow, and Olbermann. They're slanting the facts to fit their opinions.
The University of Maryland conducted a study, called "Misinformation and the 2010 Election," looked at "variations in misinformation by exposure to news sources," among other things, and specifically newspapers and news magazines (in print and online), network TV news broadcasts, NPR and PBS, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN.
The study found that daily Fox News viewers, regardless of political party, were "significantly" more likely than non-viewers to erroneously believe that:
•Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
•Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
•The economy is getting worse (26 points)
•Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)
•The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)
•Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)
•The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)
•When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)
•And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)
The study also found that as exposure to Fox News increased, so did the misinformation.
But Fox News wasn't the only offender:
Daily consumers of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) were higher (34 points and 25 points respectively) in believing that it was proven that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending money raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates. Daily watchers of network TV news broadcasts were 12 points higher in believing that TARP was signed into law by President Obama, and 11 points higher in believing that most Republicans oppose TARP.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/de...
Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Calvert Foundation funded the study. Does that tell you anything about a possible bias?
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<quoted text>Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Calvert Foundation funded the study. Does that tell you anything about a possible bias?
Is that the Fox News defense? Open your eyes.

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EVERYTHING that comes out about Dubya's propaganda effort to whip up the hate and bigotry to justify his illegal and immoral war simply confirms everything the anti-war folks were saying in 2002. My standard question was, Sitting in rural New Mexico using a 486 computer, with windows 98 with 52 K AOL dial up know we were being LIED into war but 70% of the country didn't?
Hi Roy! I was pressed for time earlier; hence, the delay in responding. I can't exactly say that it was "Dubya's propaganda effort to whip up the hate and bigotry", as the terrorist did a fine job instilling that mentality towards Middle Easterners, Muslims, and in a group all by themselves EXTREMIST. It really didn't take that much effort to get people on board; hence, I hold the individual legislators for jumping on the proverbial bandwagon to move forward with the war. I seriously doubt many of them researched the legitimacy or the authenticity fo the claims re WMD.

I don't know if you've ever read this PDF, but I found page 576 of special interest.

http://www.abdn.ac.uk/sociology/notes06/Level...

Then I remember watching this particular 60 Minutes: "The Man Who Knew"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/14/60I...

I also recall a somewhat recent lashing out at a particular group of 'talking heads' in an article titled, "Where do all the Liars who Got Us into Iraq War End Up? Fox News!" I don't remember who posted this article first, but I think I read it on AlterNet.

I read a vast array of news sources, as I tend to think most are slanted & what one doesn't carry...another will. It's up to us to research for the truth & draw our own conclusions. Legislators are no exception & I don't by that they were duped. It's too easy for too many of them to pass off their responsibility or lack there of, just to save face with their constituency.

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Won't admit being wrong until we go through Syria's Bekaa Valley.
ON, one of my friends reminded me that the person I was addressing often used the moniker "Old Veteran" and often referenced being "Ret. Navy". I don't recall ever debating the issue with you personally...sorry for any confusion, as I'm certain it wasn't you that discussed this matter. I would have remembered your moniker.

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