Man's death heading to grand jury

Man's death heading to grand jury

There are 83 comments on the The Huntsville Item story from Sep 22, 2007, titled Man's death heading to grand jury. In it, The Huntsville Item reports that:

“Metals theft has become an overwhelming problem for communities, police, and, of course, recyclers”

A Walker County grand jury will hear the case of a man who shot an intruder at his business in the early morning hours Wednesday. via The Huntsville Item

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G- Force Supporter2

La Grange, TX

#62 Oct 27, 2007
A human life is more valuable than anything on this earth. To gun down an unarmed man who hasn't stolen anything & who is NO threat is inhuman. This is NOT Dodge City.

Justice for Terry!
Sharon

Cypress, TX

#63 Nov 27, 2007
I am so sadden by some of the negative comments. Who are we to judge anyone? Only God is the judge.
Sharon

Cypress, TX

#64 Nov 27, 2007
nakedlobo wrote:
I agree that a full investigation should be conducted. I am just curious if it does turn out to be PROVEN that Terry was there to steal something if that would change any of your minds? I doubt it. It sounds like each of you have epitomized Terry and have a Utopian view of his life.
Many of you have chosen to defend someone with no factual evidence to support your claims. There seems to be a claim that this TJ knew Terry and that he knew he would be on his property at this given time. Well, if they were both there in the middle of the night, then something shady was going on in the first place. I doubt TJ invited Terry over for a couple of beers in the middle of the night and then ended up shooting him.
Having been a business owner in this area (in Brenham, but close enough) and having had former employees steal from me, I know what it is like to want to defend your property. Had I caught one of my former employees in my business after hours, the results would have been the same, a dead thief. I wouldn't care how well I knew someone. I wouldn't care if he didn't have a gun in his hand. I wouldn't have cared if he didn't have any stolen property in his possession. I would merely care that he was in MY business.
The Christians in this forum are trying to justify hatred toward TJ for "killing an innocent, God-fearing, wonderful man." Have we all forgotten one important lesson taught by Jesus? FORGIVENESS
I think a lesson taught in the New Testament says that if someone slaps your face, to offer the other cheek.
You seemed to be totally against Terry. You talked about the christians in here. Well you obviously is not one. As I can see it, the business owner didn't have to shoot Terry. The business owner have to give in account to God for what he has done. I don't care what the law of Texas say. Terry was not armed and was not found with any stolen property. I think maybe the business owner knew Terry personal as you said, but there is no way he should have killed someone unarmed. Yes God forgives, but God said "Thou shalt not kill" too.
Also you make sure when you give quotes from the bible, you quote it right. You totally screwed that last sentence of your paragraph.
John Canada

Mississauga, Canada

#65 Nov 28, 2007
Sharon wrote:
I am so sadden by some of the negative comments. Who are we to judge anyone? Only God is the judge.
Well if this jerk with a gun hadn't set himself up as judge , jury and God then maybe , just maybe , we wouldn't be judging him now .
LUMUMBA LIVES

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#66 Nov 29, 2007
Sharon wrote:
<quoted text>
You seemed to be totally against Terry. You talked about the christians in here. Well you obviously is not one. As I can see it, the business owner didn't have to shoot Terry. The business owner have to give in account to God for what he has done. I don't care what the law of Texas say. Terry was not armed and was not found with any stolen property. I think maybe the business owner knew Terry personal as you said, but there is no way he should have killed someone unarmed. Yes God forgives, but God said "Thou shalt not kill" too.
Also you make sure when you give quotes from the bible, you quote it right. You totally screwed that last sentence of your paragraph.
Firstly, I am a Christian. Yes the owner of the business didn't have to shoot this person, but that person did not have to be in a place where it APPEARS that he was preparing to steal something. Now I may not be a bible expert, but I believe there is something about Thou Shalt Not Steal! It is quite funny that everyone in this forum who is claiming God this and God that hasn't given a thought to if Terry were acting as a God fearing person, he wouldn't be doing something underhanded (being somewhere he wasn't supposed to be at a time that is pretty fishy - in the middle of the night).
It appears that all the people who are throwing God into their posts are doing so with anger. They are asking for God to enact revenge for this person (Terry). I would think anyone with such a high regard for God would do as he instructed and forgive. This doesn't mean to forgive who you want to, it means forgive ALL. But the impression I am getting from all the Terry Supporters in here is that "Let's forgive Terry for being a burglar but let's not forgive an owner of a business for protecting what is his."
Yes, the Ten Commandments does say to not kill, but I believe that there is something about thou shalt not covet your neighbor's whatever. So I don't "screw a sentence" again...
Exodus 20:15 "You shall not steal."
Exodus 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."
Exodus 20:17 "You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."

Now for everyone saying "God will be the ultimate judge and will enact revenge that we desire," you may want to reference
Deuteronomy 5:11 “You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.”

I can go on for days with this argument. Still at this time, no one has given any legitimate reason for this Terry person to be in a place he didn't belong.
As I stated long ago, anyone who would not defend their property, please post your address on this forum. I am sure there are plenty of thieves who would like to know this information.

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#67 Nov 29, 2007
John Canada wrote:
<quoted text>Well if this jerk with a gun hadn't set himself up as judge , jury and God then maybe , just maybe , we wouldn't be judging him now .
LUMUMBA LIVES
Hey John, are you saying that if someone is in your house in the middle of the night standing over your child that you would simply ask him to leave? There are laws in the U.S. that allows people to protect their property. The reason these laws are in effect are for just these types of situations. A person does not have to assault a person first, the fact that they are in your house is good enough.
I, for one, would not hesitate to defend my family or property. And I will defend them to my dying breath.
John Canada

Brantford, Canada

#69 Nov 30, 2007
nakedlobo wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey John, are you saying that if someone is in your house in the middle of the night standing over your child that you would simply ask him to leave? There are laws in the U.S. that allows people to protect their property. The reason these laws are in effect are for just these types of situations. A person does not have to assault a person first, the fact that they are in your house is good enough.
I, for one, would not hesitate to defend my family or property. And I will defend them to my dying breath.
no one broke into a house and was threatening a child you stupid sonofabitch . What we have now is some dumb clown who MIGHT face the death penalty and all you brave jerks will be safe and sound while this guy waits in death row . What he did was MURDER and he while in all probability be executed . So while you keyboard warriors are sitting around drinking your beer and watching FOX NEWS there is a guy waiting for a date with the hangman .GET BLOODY REAL CLOWN !
LUMUMBA LIVES

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#70 Nov 30, 2007
John Canada wrote:
<quoted text>no one broke into a house and was threatening a child you stupid sonofabitch . What we have now is some dumb clown who MIGHT face the death penalty and all you brave jerks will be safe and sound while this guy waits in death row . What he did was MURDER and he while in all probability be executed . So while you keyboard warriors are sitting around drinking your beer and watching FOX NEWS there is a guy waiting for a date with the hangman .GET BLOODY REAL CLOWN !
LUMUMBA LIVES
Let's avoid name calling first of all.

Secondly, I am not quite understanding you. So, are you saying that this person who was defending his property should be charged with murder or not?

The statement I made is that a U.S. citizen has the right to protect himself, other people and his property. With that defined, the person who shot the burglar (and by being on someone's property where the person did not have permission is burglary - In most jurisdictions in the United States, burglary is a felony and involves trespassing and theft, entering a building or automobile, or remaining unlawfully with intent to commit any felony, not necessarily a theft -- for example, vandalism.) the property owner was well within his rights.
If you are wanting to get onto the topic of the death penalty, that is a completely different issue. What we are talking about in this discussion is whether or not TJ (the shooter) should be charged with a crime for shooting Terry Green. There are obviously people reading this thread that think that Terry Green was some saint as was doing nothing wrong that warranted him getting shot. My stand is that he was someplace that he shouldn't have been (someone else's property, late at night); and had he not put himself in that position he might still be alive.
The arguments that started this is that the burglar "didn't have a weapon and no stolen property on him at the time of death" and therefore should not have been shot. My comparison is that if someone breaks into a house and is standing above a kid, he has not yet assaulted the kid so, following the Terry Green supporter's logic, the parent of the kid should come into the room and politely ask the intruder to leave instead of shooting him. My argument is that if someone is on my property without permission, I will shoot first and work it out with Law Enforcement later (as the shooter in this case has done).

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#71 Nov 30, 2007
John Canada, is your signature supposed to refer to Patrice Lumumba? If so, what are you trying to say through your sig? Quite confusing and kinda strange that a Canuck would be interested in Congo politics.
John Canada

Brantford, Canada

#72 Nov 30, 2007
nakedlobo wrote:
John Canada, is your signature supposed to refer to Patrice Lumumba? If so, what are you trying to say through your sig? Quite confusing and kinda strange that a Canuck would be interested in Congo politics.
Why ?
LUMUMBA LIVES
John Canada

Brantford, Canada

#73 Nov 30, 2007
As I said this guy (the shooter) may face the hangman and all you guys are safe and sound watching the Browns win and drinking beer at home . Will any of you big brave keyboard commandos take is place on DEATH ROW ? I think not . Easy to talk big but now some of you might just see how all your bullshit talk can led to the death of some very stupid man . What ever happened to calling the cops . No wonder your once great country is in the trouble it is . Your country has come to a sad and undeserved fate because of this cowboy attitude . If there is a god he or she has forsaken America .
LUMUMBA LIVES

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#74 Nov 30, 2007
John Canada wrote:
<quoted text>Why ?
LUMUMBA LIVES
Just curious...

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#75 Nov 30, 2007
John Canada wrote:
As I said this guy (the shooter) may face the hangman and all you guys are safe and sound watching the Browns win and drinking beer at home . Will any of you big brave keyboard commandos take is place on DEATH ROW ? I think not . Easy to talk big but now some of you might just see how all your bullshit talk can led to the death of some very stupid man . What ever happened to calling the cops . No wonder your once great country is in the trouble it is . Your country has come to a sad and undeserved fate because of this cowboy attitude . If there is a god he or she has forsaken America .
LUMUMBA LIVES
The state I live in does not have the Death Penalty. If that is the argument here (the inhumanity of Death Row), then you will just receive support from me. Although, putting someone in a cage for the rest of their life is quite inhumane as well. I can speak from some personal experience (I did 3 years in the Texas Prison system).
The point is that the guy who was defending his property should not have to face the death penalty. He was merely defending his property. I personally don't think he was stupid for defending his property. The shooter did testify that he told the guy to stay there and not do anything. The guy didn't comply. That is another reason he was shot. Think about it, John. If someone were in your house and you had a gun on them telling them to stay still. If they began making furtive movements (one of the favorite statements made by cops) would you not shoot? If you wouldn't that is just opening the door for the criminal (in this case Terry Green) to get a gun or take your gun from you (or beat you over the head with a pipe or whatever else is around). If the person doesn't have enough respect for the laws of the U.S. to be breaking into a business (or a house), will they just wait around while you call the cops? No, they will attempt to hurt (or kill) you.
Should this shooter face the death penalty, no. That is what this article is about. The district attorney is deciding to not bring charges on this person for defending their property. Since this is the case, all your Death Penalty arguments go out the window.
There is a fine line between a "cowboy attitude" and defending your property.
BTW, I root on the Dallas Cowboys, not the Browns.
Tough

Center, TX

#76 Dec 2, 2007
Relative wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a relative of Terry Green's and first of all who are you to judge anyone. The only judge in my life and all of our lives is GOD. And you sure as hell arent that. Terry was a good person. You do not know him well enough to make a comment such as that. Whomever the person was that KILLED him will have to suffer with that for the rest of his life knowing that he KILLED someone. That sin is on the ten commandments list just as stealing is. No sin is greater than another. And everyone has sinned in some way or other. "He that has no sin cast the first stone". And i am pretty sure that is not you! Before you make such comments about someone else's life you should evaluate your own life.
Your relative was a thief and if he had of broke into my neighbors home I'd left him laying face down too.
John Canada

Mississauga, Canada

#77 Dec 2, 2007
nakedlobo wrote:
<quoted text>
Just curious...
okay story time . Sometime in late '64 or early '65 I was with a bunch of friends drinking beer and telling lies and just having a good time as only 20 year olds can . I had just been released from the canadian navy after 3 years service (I signed up on my 17th birthday) and one of the other guys there had been in the army .You know how it is wwhen you get a couple guys who had been in the service when they aare with others who hadn't . The bullshit flies thick and fast . Any way my buddy who had been in the army had been with tha Canadian UN peace keepers in the Congo and talk eventualy turned to that subject and he told us what he had seen there . I had been iinterested in Lumumba since '60 and believed the garbage that was being spread about him . My buddy from the army said to me , " that aint the way it was ". The people , the working people and te poor had a completly different take on ti . To them Lumumba was and is a HERO !!!! Since then I have had a GREAT RESPECT for this man .
LUMUMBA LIVES

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#78 Dec 2, 2007
John Canada wrote:
<quoted text>okay story time . Sometime in late '64 or early '65 I was with a bunch of friends drinking beer and telling lies and just having a good time as only 20 year olds can . I had just been released from the canadian navy after 3 years service (I signed up on my 17th birthday) and one of the other guys there had been in the army .You know how it is wwhen you get a couple guys who had been in the service when they aare with others who hadn't . The bullshit flies thick and fast . Any way my buddy who had been in the army had been with tha Canadian UN peace keepers in the Congo and talk eventualy turned to that subject and he told us what he had seen there . I had been iinterested in Lumumba since '60 and believed the garbage that was being spread about him . My buddy from the army said to me , " that aint the way it was ". The people , the working people and te poor had a completly different take on ti . To them Lumumba was and is a HERO !!!! Since then I have had a GREAT RESPECT for this man .
LUMUMBA LIVES
Very cool. I had just found it odd that a Canadian would be in any way interested in Congo politics. Very good story; now you have me checking out information about this Lumumba... never heard of him before.
Sharon

Cypress, TX

#79 Dec 9, 2007
nakedlobo wrote:
<quoted text>
Firstly, I am a Christian. Yes the owner of the business didn't have to shoot this person, but that person did not have to be in a place where it APPEARS that he was preparing to steal something. Now I may not be a bible expert, but I believe there is something about Thou Shalt Not Steal! It is quite funny that everyone in this forum who is claiming God this and God that hasn't given a thought to if Terry were acting as a God fearing person, he wouldn't be doing something underhanded (being somewhere he wasn't supposed to be at a time that is pretty fishy - in the middle of the night).
It appears that all the people who are throwing God into their posts are doing so with anger. They are asking for God to enact revenge for this person (Terry). I would think anyone with such a high regard for God would do as he instructed and forgive. This doesn't mean to forgive who you want to, it means forgive ALL. But the impression I am getting from all the Terry Supporters in here is that "Let's forgive Terry for being a burglar but let's not forgive an owner of a business for protecting what is his."
Yes, the Ten Commandments does say to not kill, but I believe that there is something about thou shalt not covet your neighbor's whatever. So I don't "screw a sentence" again...
Exodus 20:15 "You shall not steal."
Exodus 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."
Exodus 20:17 "You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."
Now for everyone saying "God will be the ultimate judge and will enact revenge that we desire," you may want to reference
Deuteronomy 5:11 “You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.”
I can go on for days with this argument. Still at this time, no one has given any legitimate reason for this Terry person to be in a place he didn't belong.
As I stated long ago, anyone who would not defend their property, please post your address on this forum. I am sure there are plenty of thieves who would like to know this information.
Well I am happy that you are a christian. Let me say this I am going to leave it alone. First of all, you are judging Terry. You don't know why Terry was there, and we don't know why the business owner killed Terry. Everyone here is making assumptions. Yes I do agree with you about forgiveness. We must forgive all! Regardless of the circumstance, but ladies and gentlemen we must let God be the judge. We can say Terry was there to steal, but it is still not our place to say that. Let it alone. God is the final judge. I hate that this has happened and the family have my sympathy. A father, son, brother, is gone. Let us not pry in matters that we cannot change or judge. Pray for the family to have strength.
lol

Georgetown, TX

#80 Jul 18, 2008
i would have shot his ass to.dang thieves.i was in the army and we shot the iraqi thieves to when those suckers tried to steal shit.i live in huntsville if he would have been on my place i would have put a freaking whole magazine of ammo in his ass.God bless all!
C_Coleman_Indust ry_Tx

Rockville, MD

#81 Aug 7, 2008
Terry was a cousin of mine and will be deeply missed. My heart goes out to his family and friends. I just want everyone to know that everyone makes mistakes, and this was not the way to fix it.This could have been avoided. Terry was a fun person to be around and didn't deserve to die the way he did. People that portray him to be this bad person and a crook are people that dont know him at all. I went to his funeral and if you could only see the sadness in his families eyes and the impact that this man had on his family. The way he joked and played around with everyone. He considered no one a stranger. God is a good God and I know he will fix it. He is gone but never forgotten!!!
Fed UP

United States

#82 Aug 7, 2008
The law is the law. The bible says to leave the evils of man up to the judges. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time (of the morning). It is sad his family will have to suffer from his perils. May God be with all of them.

BUT....If you choose to defend your home, life and family against intruders at 4 am with a gun..THen, you also have to make a choice when confronted. I wasnt there. You werent there. BUT....He is dead and if he truly was a believer in Christ Jesus, then he is in a better place than all of us and we should rejoice for his eternal salvation with our Lord.

I pray for the shooter, the families on both sides, the children, and for all of us on this post who continually try and solve the wicked ways of our sinful society.

Please, dont mock God ! He is watching and knows all. Be vigilant and strong in your faith.

Let this go and move on because it is the right thing to do.

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