Never mind

Huntington, WV

#65 Mar 27, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
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Oh yeah? You're just assuming though right? You have no idea what doctors may prescribe for different situations.
Again. Can you give us a list of what you deem necessary so we can plan out what insurance should cover?
Man, first I have to check with my employer to see what his religion excludes and now I gave to check with this genius to see what he feels is necessary.
It's ok for the State to tell everyone what is morally right & wrong. Deem what is "necessary" ?That's exactly what they're trying to do with this crap called Obamacare.
Hobby Lobby has no problem with many types of birth control, just not all. Which they offer.
Why do you think it's right for them to have to go against what they believe, but the State can dictate what will and will not be acceptable for everyone?
Government has too much say so in every aspect of our lives now. And it seems to get more "free stuff" some are willing to keep giving them more and more power.

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#66 Mar 27, 2014
Never mind wrote:
<quoted text>It's ok for the State to tell everyone what is morally right & wrong. Deem what is "necessary" ?That's exactly what they're trying to do with this crap called Obamacare.
Hobby Lobby has no problem with many types of birth control, just not all. Which they offer.
Why do you think it's right for them to have to go against what they believe, but the State can dictate what will and will not be acceptable for everyone?
Government has too much say so in every aspect of our lives now. And it seems to get more "free stuff" some are willing to keep giving them more and more power.
Yes the government can say what is covered user insurance policies. That's what governments do. Regulate commerce.

Insurance policies are partially paid for by employers as part of an employees compensation. In lieu of higher salary they offer us insurance. How I use my insurance is my business. Just like what I do with the money they pay me is my business. Would you be ok with your employer telling you what you can spend your money on? That's exactly what they're doing with this.
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Hurricane, WV

#67 Mar 27, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
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Yes the government can say what is covered user insurance policies. That's what governments do. Regulate commerce.
Insurance policies are partially paid for by employers as part of an employees compensation. In lieu of higher salary they offer us insurance. How I use my insurance is my business. Just like what I do with the money they pay me is my business. Would you be ok with your employer telling you what you can spend your money on? That's exactly what they're doing with this.
Eliminate the mandatory contraceptives and everyone go's away happy.And then Hobby Lobby wont tell you to when,where or how to use your insurance. Anything wrong with compromise or is it just the issue of liberals defeating those religious conservatives with you? Anyone that cant afford to buy their own don't need to be dropping their pants and instead should be working a 2nd job or furthering their education.
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Silent Majority

Philadelphia, PA

#69 Mar 27, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
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People's abilities to practice religion. Corporations are not people. Or have you met hobby lobby? What's he or she like?
Lol..Ok corporporations are not people. Is that the point of the thread? Just so you can cram your beliefs down peoples throats? Why you telling me? Take it up with the supreme court.....i dont care one way or the other

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#70 Mar 27, 2014
Silent Majority wrote:
<quoted text>Lol..Ok corporporations are not people. Is that the point of the thread? Just so you can cram your beliefs down peoples throats? Why you telling me? Take it up with the supreme court.....i dont care one way or the other
You're getting as clueless as the last welfare poet. You guys sharing his meth? Or is this another one of your clever sidesteps? You bring up the rfra as if you're the only one that's heard of it. Probably just the first right wing article that popped up on your google search. I then point out that the law was intended to protect individuals. Now you're asking why I'm telling you? Gee skippy. I thought you could at least keep up with a conversation. If you need any more recaps just ask big guy.
nunya

Nashville, TN

#71 Mar 27, 2014
yep wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I do know what that is. I assume you do as well, hopefully not incorrectly.

I stated the difference to me is medical necessity. IUDs and morning after pills are very elective things, and as I also stated, one is even available OTC. If pregnancy will cause a health condition in a woman to the point the doctor decides preventing pregnancy is the answer, the doctor would implement a permanent solution to it, not a temporary one like these types of contraception.
Doctors don't have the right to make choices for patients. Unless you are talking about the ones in china who force women to abort if they have more than one child. You know, where the majority of the cheap shit sold by Hobby Lobby is made.
Silent Majority

Philadelphia, PA

#72 Mar 28, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
<quoted text>
You're getting as clueless as the last welfare poet. You guys sharing his meth? Or is this another one of your clever sidesteps? You bring up the rfra as if you're the only one that's heard of it. Probably just the first right wing article that popped up on your google search. I then point out that the law was intended to protect individuals. Now you're asking why I'm telling you? Gee skippy. I thought you could at least keep up with a conversation. If you need any more recaps just ask big guy.
Look dumbass you started the thread by asking a question. I gave my opinion. If you dont like it then too friggin bad whiny ass...
yep

Charleston, WV

#73 Mar 28, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yeah? You're just assuming though right? You have no idea what doctors may prescribe for different situations.
Again. Can you give us a list of what you deem necessary so we can plan out what insurance should cover?
Man, first I have to check with my employer to see what his religion excludes and now I gave to check with this genius to see what he feels is necessary.
You started this topic asking for opinions on this subject, and I gave you mine. Obviously you really started it to belittle others with an opinion different from your own, not discuss it like an adult. I'm sure that's a fun way for you to enjoy your free time, but I personally don't care that much and find it kind of juvenile. That's fine though, because you don't have any rebuttal to me other than "give me a list" and other hair splitting nonsense, so there's no point in continuing to talk to you anyway.
Gosh

Huntington, WV

#74 Mar 28, 2014
Never mind wrote:
<quoted text>
It's ok for the State to tell everyone what is morally right & wrong. Deem what is "necessary" ?That's exactly what they're trying to do with this crap called Obamacare.
Hobby Lobby has no problem with many types of birth control, just not all. Which they offer.
Why do you think it's right for them to have to go against what they believe, but the State can dictate what will and will not be acceptable for everyone?
Government has too much say so in every aspect of our lives now. And it seems to get more "free stuff" some are willing to keep giving them more and more power.
But you're OK with people using the Bible to determine public policy on right and wrong?
Never mind

Huntington, WV

#75 Mar 28, 2014
Gosh wrote:
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But you're OK with people using the Bible to determine public policy on right and wrong?
No one is forcing a person to work there. I'm sure the owners of Hobby Lobby didn't keep their faith a secret.
Why is it so terrible to use the Bible as a guidance for right and wrong. Our Founding Fathers didn't have a problem with it.
I honestly believe the real issue isn't about birth control or healthcare. It's about religion.

Since: Jan 14

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#76 Mar 28, 2014
Never mind wrote:
<quoted text>No one is forcing a person to work there. I'm sure the owners of Hobby Lobby didn't keep their faith a secret.
Why is it so terrible to use the Bible as a guidance for right and wrong. Our Founding Fathers didn't have a problem with it.
I honestly believe the real issue isn't about birth control or healthcare. It's about religion.
No one is forcing hobby lobby to operate a for profit business that employs 13000 people either. Since they opt to do that then they need to follow the laws just like any other corporation. They had no problem voluntarily paying for these things prior to 2012. All of the things they are objecting to were in their employees packages prior to obamacare. Why wasn't it a problem for them then?
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Hurricane, WV

#77 Mar 28, 2014
Gosh wrote:
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But you're OK with people using the Bible to determine public policy on right and wrong?
Yes dummy,as it applies to the believers who are forced to go against their principles by paying for someone to fornicate which is also against their principles.

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#78 Mar 28, 2014
THE LAST WARRIOR POET wrote:
<quoted text>Yes dummy,as it applies to the believers who are forced to go against their principles by paying for someone to fornicate which is also against their principles.
They're paying for insurance. How people use that insurance is their own business.

If a Muslim owned the grocery store where you stock the shelves should you have to ask them what their religion allows your doctor to prescribe to you?
Tiger

Hockessin, DE

#79 Mar 29, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
<quoted text>No one is forcing hobby lobby to operate a for profit business that employs 13000 people either. Since they opt to do that then they need to follow the laws just like any other corporation. They had no problem voluntarily paying for these things prior to 2012. All of the things they are objecting to were in their employees packages prior to obamacare. Why wasn't it a problem for them then?
You're wrong. HL's insurance provider didn't provide for contraception a prior to Obamacare unless it was medically necessary, not to be used solely as a means to prevent pregnancy.
Tiger

Hockessin, DE

#80 Mar 29, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
<quoted text>They're paying for insurance. How people use that insurance is their own business.

If a Muslim owned the grocery store where you stock the shelves should you have to ask them what their religion allows your doctor to prescribe to you?
Again, you're wrong. Insurance providers offer a cafeteria style selection of what you want to offer, and a lot of companies do not opt to provide for contraception.
gary

Minford, OH

#81 Mar 29, 2014
i think they should just simplify it. if a guy wants them to buy his rubbers, no, but if a woman needs birth control for regulating her cycle and other medical needs i say ,by all means.

Since: Jan 14

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#82 Mar 29, 2014
Tiger wrote:
<quoted text>You're wrong. HL's insurance provider didn't provide for contraception a prior to Obamacare unless it was medically necessary, not to be used solely as a means to prevent pregnancy.
http://www.reddirtreport.com/prairie-opinions...

Actually they did.
Silent Majority

Philadelphia, PA

#83 Mar 31, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
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http://www.reddirtreport.com/prairie-opinions...
Actually they did.
So what? Pay for your own pills bottom feeder...
Gosh

Huntington, WV

#84 Mar 31, 2014
Never mind wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is forcing a person to work there. I'm sure the owners of Hobby Lobby didn't keep their faith a secret.
Why is it so terrible to use the Bible as a guidance for right and wrong. Our Founding Fathers didn't have a problem with it.
I honestly believe the real issue isn't about birth control or healthcare. It's about religion.
.

So you don't object to being told what to do and how to do it as long as you approve of who is making the rules.
Silent Majority

Philadelphia, PA

#85 Mar 31, 2014
Gosh wrote:
<quoted text>.
So you don't object to being told what to do and how to do it as long as you approve of who is making the rules.
Told what to do? Lol. Nobody is stopping anybody from doing anything. Buy your own pills.$9 a month...

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