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#41 Mar 26, 2014
yep wrote:
<quoted text>It could be because they, along with many others, had a problem with the government forcing them to do so. Many disagree with the ACA as a whole, and it's being kind to say that it has had some difficulty in getting started. It's not a shock for someone to fight against it.
They were paying for it before. Suddenly they had a problem with it because what now? Oh yeah Politics. I didn't know Jesus endorsed a party
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#43 Mar 26, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>He would be the first to "see something say something".
Change your name again chief and make another attempt at being clever. One day you might succeed.
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Patriot

Franklin, TN

#46 Mar 26, 2014
Franklin TN IP Address
Patriot

New York, NY

#47 Mar 26, 2014
New York IP
Patriot

New York, NY

#48 Mar 26, 2014
Lmao you iddiots
yep

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#49 Mar 26, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
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They were paying for it before. Suddenly they had a problem with it because what now? Oh yeah Politics. I didn't know Jesus endorsed a party
I don't know about Jesus, but his followers sure do, and they have a rather heavy influence on politics.

Religion aside, I feel companies have a right to offer benefits they see fit. If they're offering a sufficient health insurance package, I believe they have a right to offer a plan that doesn't include paying for a pill for when Sue gets too drunk to wear a rubber and forgets to take her birth control, especially when the plan is already paying for birth control.

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#50 Mar 26, 2014
yep wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know about Jesus, but his followers sure do, and they have a rather heavy influence on politics.

Religion aside, I feel companies have a right to offer benefits they see fit. If they're offering a sufficient health insurance package, I believe they have a right to offer a plan that doesn't include paying for a pill for when Sue gets too drunk to wear a rubber and forgets to take her birth control, especially when the plan is already paying for birth control.
What other things should employers be able to deny in your opinion? If they don't believe in vaccinating children should they be exempt? Blood transfusions? What about people who only believe in prayer? Should their employees have no insurance at all?
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Hurricane, WV

#51 Mar 26, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
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Look at you. Sucking at life again. Good job. I doubt anyone could get things more screwed up and backassward if they tried.
It's really pointless to try to talk to you about any of this since you can't wrap your small little mind around what's going on. Have a nice day being stupid.
Its the other way around feeb.Once again you prove how reprobate you are.In otherwords no amount of truth can make you change your mind once its made up.You libturds know we're right.You just don't care.It'll come back to bite you on the ass someday.And then it'll be to late because you fu**turd citizens and media will have empowered government to the point of no return. Just wait until it starts impacting your freedom of choices. Li'l Himmler.

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#52 Mar 26, 2014
THE LAST WARRIOR POET wrote:
<quoted text>Its the other way around feeb.Once again you prove how reprobate you are.In otherwords no amount of truth can make you change your mind once its made up.You libturds know we're right.You just don't care.It'll come back to bite you on the ass someday.And then it'll be to late because you fu**turd citizens and media will have empowered government to the point of no return. Just wait until it starts impacting your freedom of choices. Li'l Himmler.
No, you're wrong.

Setting aside that corporations aren't people

My employers religious beliefs shouldn't affect my healthcare options

That is imposing religious beliefs on the employee. The employer is paying the insurance as part of my salary. How I use my insurance is my business. 2000 year old faerie tales should have nothing to do with it.
yep

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#53 Mar 26, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
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What other things should employers be able to deny in your opinion? If they don't believe in vaccinating children should they be exempt? Blood transfusions? What about people who only believe in prayer? Should their employees have no insurance at all?
You can't equate what many refer to as an "abortion pill" to a measles vaccine or emergency blood transfusion, they're not in the same ballpark. And either way this goes, no one is prevented from buying them - to my knowledge you don't even need a prescription for them in many places anymore. There is nothing detrimental to your health about getting pregnant either, thus I think it's safe to say a sufficient health care plan doesn't have to include a contraceptive like the morning after pill.

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#54 Mar 26, 2014
yep wrote:
<quoted text>You can't equate what many refer to as an "abortion pill" to a measles vaccine or emergency blood transfusion, they're not in the same ballpark. And either way this goes, no one is prevented from buying them - to my knowledge you don't even need a prescription for them in many places anymore. There is nothing detrimental to your health about getting pregnant either, thus I think it's safe to say a sufficient health care plan doesn't have to include a contraceptive like the morning after pill.
So there aren't any women anywhere that could face detrimental health consequences if they should get pregnant? You're clueless.

And I can absolutely equate vaccines and transfusions. There are several little kooky religions that ban them. You let this thing go and you deny those religions? What are you playing favorites? I assure you those arguments will come if hobby lobby gets its way.
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Hurricane, WV

#55 Mar 26, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
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So there aren't any women anywhere that could face detrimental health consequences if they should get pregnant? You're clueless.
And I can absolutely equate vaccines and transfusions. There are several little kooky religions that ban them. You let this thing go and you deny those religions? What are you playing favorites? I assure you those arguments will come if hobby lobby gets its way.
Hobby Lobby wont object to paying for detrimental issues involved with pregnancies,this is about paying to murder

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#56 Mar 26, 2014
THE LAST WARRIOR POET wrote:
<quoted text>Hobby Lobby wont object to paying for detrimental issues involved with pregnancies,this is about paying to murder
Clueless.

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#57 Mar 26, 2014
THE LAST WARRIOR POET wrote:
<quoted text>Hobby Lobby wont object to paying for detrimental issues involved with pregnancies,this is about paying to murder
How does an IUD murder anyone again? Run that down for us Dr Dipshts.
yep

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#58 Mar 26, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
<quoted text>
So there aren't any women anywhere that could face detrimental health consequences if they should get pregnant? You're clueless.
And I can absolutely equate vaccines and transfusions. There are several little kooky religions that ban them. You let this thing go and you deny those religions? What are you playing favorites? I assure you those arguments will come if hobby lobby gets its way.
You think that an OBGYN will treat a woman with a risky pregnancy, or a woman prone to risky pregnancies, with a morning after pill? I won't call you clueless, because I think your statement speaks for itself without me adding to it.

The difference between covering a blood transfusion and a morning after pill is, obviously, medical necessity. To borrow your phrase, "it's simple."

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#59 Mar 26, 2014
yep wrote:
<quoted text>You think that an OBGYN will treat a woman with a risky pregnancy, or a woman prone to risky pregnancies, with a morning after pill? I won't call you clueless, because I think your statement speaks for itself without me adding to it.

The difference between covering a blood transfusion and a morning after pill is, obviously, medical necessity. To borrow your phrase, "it's simple."
You don't think they may recommend an IUD ? Do you even know what that is ?

Can I get a list of what you deem necessary?
Silent Majority

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#60 Mar 27, 2014
None of your opinions matter zaphod. You can whine and curse everybody on topix all you want about not wanting to pay for your own pills but the law is not on your side...the religious freedom restoration act puts the burden of proof on the government not hobbylobby. Now hurry up and do a speed search and act like youve heard of this...

The case is already decided. The only thing to figure out is if hobby lobby has religious rights. If they do then the restoration act is valid.

Now those same two faced liberals who championed and authored this law are now saying its unjust. Lol

Liberalism on display...

http://www.justice.gov/jmd/ls/legislative_his...

"The RFRA was enacted to block other laws that interfere with Americans' ability to practice their religion, and it was praised by liberals when it became law back in 1993. Bill Clinton happily signed the law, which overturned a 1990 Supreme Court decision by conservative Justice Antonin Scalia that effectively prohibited Native Americans from using the drug peyote even though it was part of a religious ritual.
Under the RFRA, the state has to show a "compelling" interest when passing laws that restrict people's religious practices. Back in 1993, the New York Times' liberal editorial page praised the law, writing:
The Religious Freedom Restoration Act reasserts a broadly accepted American concept of giving wide latitude to religious practices that many might regard as odd or unconventional. The bill deserves passage.... With the Restoration Act, Congress asserts its own interest in protecting religious liberty. It's a welcome antidote to the official insensitivity to religion the Court spawned in 1990."
http://www.businessinsider.com/religious-free...

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#61 Mar 27, 2014
Silent Majority wrote:
None of your opinions matter zaphod. You can whine and curse everybody on topix all you want about not wanting to pay for your own pills but the law is not on your side...the religious freedom restoration act puts the burden of proof on the government not hobbylobby. Now hurry up and do a speed search and act like youve heard of this...

The case is already decided. The only thing to figure out is if hobby lobby has religious rights. If they do then the restoration act is valid.

Now those same two faced liberals who championed and authored this law are now saying its unjust. Lol

Liberalism on display...

http://www.justice.gov/jmd/ls/legislative_his...

"The RFRA was enacted to block other laws that interfere with Americans' ability to practice their religion, and it was praised by liberals when it became law back in 1993. Bill Clinton happily signed the law, which overturned a 1990 Supreme Court decision by conservative Justice Antonin Scalia that effectively prohibited Native Americans from using the drug peyote even though it was part of a religious ritual.
Under the RFRA, the state has to show a "compelling" interest when passing laws that restrict people's religious practices. Back in 1993, the New York Times' liberal editorial page praised the law, writing:
The Religious Freedom Restoration Act reasserts a broadly accepted American concept of giving wide latitude to religious practices that many might regard as odd or unconventional. The bill deserves passage.... With the Restoration Act, Congress asserts its own interest in protecting religious liberty. It's a welcome antidote to the official insensitivity to religion the Court spawned in 1990."
http://www.businessinsider.com/religious-free...
People's abilities to practice religion. Corporations are not people. Or have you met hobby lobby? What's he or she like?
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yep

Charleston, WV

#63 Mar 27, 2014
-zaphod- wrote:
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You don't think they may recommend an IUD ? Do you even know what that is ?
Can I get a list of what you deem necessary?
Yes, I do know what that is. I assume you do as well, hopefully not incorrectly.

I stated the difference to me is medical necessity. IUDs and morning after pills are very elective things, and as I also stated, one is even available OTC. If pregnancy will cause a health condition in a woman to the point the doctor decides preventing pregnancy is the answer, the doctor would implement a permanent solution to it, not a temporary one like these types of contraception.

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#64 Mar 27, 2014
yep wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I do know what that is. I assume you do as well, hopefully not incorrectly.

I stated the difference to me is medical necessity. IUDs and morning after pills are very elective things, and as I also stated, one is even available OTC. If pregnancy will cause a health condition in a woman to the point the doctor decides preventing pregnancy is the answer, the doctor would implement a permanent solution to it, not a temporary one like these types of contraception.
Oh yeah? You're just assuming though right? You have no idea what doctors may prescribe for different situations.

Again. Can you give us a list of what you deem necessary so we can plan out what insurance should cover?

Man, first I have to check with my employer to see what his religion excludes and now I gave to check with this genius to see what he feels is necessary.

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