whitepony87

Mooresville, NC

#137 Jan 20, 2013
I wouldn't go as far as to say nothing happened that day, something obviously did. But I did notice many things that didn't add up in the official story. For example they say he shot all of these children with an AR-15, and their wounds were from 5.56 ammo, but there is a video clearly showing them removing an AR like weapon out of the locked trunk of a car after it was all over. The man died in the school right? What about the video of the two guys running into the woods right after it happened, and a man being lead out in cuffs in camo pants and a dark jacket? Why did they bring that up then completely drop it? Look at the video of one of the parents before he was interviewed. You can find all of these videos on youtube. The father appears to be an actor, first he is smiling and laughing, this was also 1 day after the shootings, then he takes several deep breaths his whole demeanor changes and he is sobbing by the time the cameras rolling. Something about the story is fishy. I think that he used a handgun and they just tell us he was using an AR to further demonize semi-automatic high capacity rifles. Those in charge have changed the facts of this story to support their gun control agenda. So now just because a couple of psychos went nuts and did something crazy they expect all the rest of us to give up our rights out of fear? That might work on some, but not for me. If you want my guns come and take them and see what happens when you attempt to violate the god given constitutional rights of free American citizens. The spirit of our founding fathers still lives in many of us today.
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Pro Guns

Slippery Rock, PA

#139 Jan 21, 2013
Breeze wrote:
Until you watch the video you have no idea. I didn't have any doubt it was fake until I watched this video. Ground staking proof! Where are all the pictures of this supposed crime scene? None! There are none. So like I said until you watch the video with clear evidence them you will have no idea! Seriously. You are in denial.
I am pro guns, against ANY MORE restrictions or bans on guns, ammo, etc! I want that to be VERY clear. HOWEVER, you and the people like you who are saying this was hoaxes, fake, or a conspiracy seriously need medication and not guns, you don't even need rubber bullets with no gun to shoot them from but rather a rubber room. The "inconsistencies" all the conspiracy theorists can come up with are INITIAL contradictory statements which are ALWAYS what comes out of the first reports of major tragedies. Every news outlet wants to be the first one to report the latest and most shocking news so rather than waiting to make sure all their "facts" are indeed facts they instead report anything and everything they hear without making sure it is true and then go back and correct themselves later when they find out they are wrong. THAT ISN'T A CONSPIRACY! That is just how it works in reporting the news.

I've watched MANY of these videos and I SMH a little harder after every single one. Not because I have been convinced the government and media or just the government or anyone else for that matter hoaxes this tragedy or that anyone was involved in the planning and execution of this horrible incident other than Adam Lanza. For anyone who hasn't WASTED your time watching these videos that "prove" it was a set up, DON'T BOTHER, I ALREADY WASTED ENOUGH TIME DOING SO FOR TEN PEOPLE. I did so just to see if there was any true facts behind these claims but just as I figured, THERE ISN'T! Besides using a few initial reports that conflict with later statements the other "proof" comes from the statements of children who "don't accurately describe the events of that day or the sounds of the gunshots". I am an adult and VERY familiar with weapons and I don't know that I would be able to accurately describe what I heard and saw in that type of scenario. ANYONE would have trouble. You are in shock, you are upset, your senses are dulled by nerves and stress and that is describing what happens to an adult, to children it is worse for those who actually understood what happened when interviewed and many of the children interviewed had obviously not been in the middle of the shooting and sheltered from the outcome and they should have been sheltered. Any child that has to grow up knowing they were there that day and survived is enough of a burden, you don't take an elementary aged child that doesn't already know exactly what happened and try to accurately describe it to them so that they can so an accurate interview, you thank your lucky stars they DON'T know exactly what happened and CAN'T accurately describe the gun shots, scene, and entire incident. And, the pictures of the little girl that conspiracy theorists are saying didn't die because "she" is seen sitting on the president's lap, if you look a little closer it is obviously her sister in the same dress. Finally, the other "proof" that comes in the form of using the lack of tears and even a few smiles on the faces of parents who lost children, they are NUMB. Have you never lost anyone? Sometimes it takes days, weeks, months, or even years before someone really lets loose and breakdowns after such an unexpected and horrible tragedy. Plus, everyone deals with death differently. Not everyone falls to pieces and can't talk or can't stop crying for days right from the beginning. NONE OF THIS IS PROOF OF A HOAX, CONSPIRACY, OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN A TRUE AND REAL TRAGEDY!

Like I said before, I DO BELIEVE the government and maybe even some media outlets are exploiting this tragedy to further an unnecessary anti-gun agenda, but NOTHING MORE!
Pro Guns

Slippery Rock, PA

#140 Jan 21, 2013
Hoaxed* Not hoaxes, stupid auto-correct!
Zaphod

Proctorville, OH

#141 Jan 21, 2013
Pro Guns wrote:
<quoted text>I am pro guns, against ANY MORE restrictions or bans on guns, ammo, etc! I want that to be VERY clear. HOWEVER, you and the people like you who are saying this was hoaxes, fake, or a conspiracy seriously need medication and not guns, you don't even need rubber bullets with no gun to shoot them from but rather a rubber room. The "inconsistencies" all the conspiracy theorists can come up with are INITIAL contradictory statements which are ALWAYS what comes out of the first reports of major tragedies. Every news outlet wants to be the first one to report the latest and most shocking news so rather than waiting to make sure all their "facts" are indeed facts they instead report anything and everything they hear without making sure it is true and then go back and correct themselves later when they find out they are wrong. THAT ISN'T A CONSPIRACY! That is just how it works in reporting the news.

I've watched MANY of these videos and I SMH a little harder after every single one. Not because I have been convinced the government and media or just the government or anyone else for that matter hoaxes this tragedy or that anyone was involved in the planning and execution of this horrible incident other than Adam Lanza. For anyone who hasn't WASTED your time watching these videos that "prove" it was a set up, DON'T BOTHER, I ALREADY WASTED ENOUGH TIME DOING SO FOR TEN PEOPLE. I did so just to see if there was any true facts behind these claims but just as I figured, THERE ISN'T! Besides using a few initial reports that conflict with later statements the other "proof" comes from the statements of children who "don't accurately describe the events of that day or the sounds of the gunshots". I am an adult and VERY familiar with weapons and I don't know that I would be able to accurately describe what I heard and saw in that type of scenario. ANYONE would have trouble. You are in shock, you are upset, your senses are dulled by nerves and stress and that is describing what happens to an adult, to children it is worse for those who actually understood what happened when interviewed and many of the children interviewed had obviously not been in the middle of the shooting and sheltered from the outcome and they should have been sheltered. Any child that has to grow up knowing they were there that day and survived is enough of a burden, you don't take an elementary aged child that doesn't already know exactly what happened and try to accurately describe it to them so that they can so an accurate interview, you thank your lucky stars they DON'T know exactly what happened and CAN'T accurately describe the gun shots, scene, and entire incident. And, the pictures of the little girl that conspiracy theorists are saying didn't die because "she" is seen sitting on the president's lap, if you look a little closer it is obviously her sister in the same dress. Finally, the other "proof" that comes in the form of using the lack of tears and even a few smiles on the faces of parents who lost children, they are NUMB. Have you never lost anyone? Sometimes it takes days, weeks, months, or even years before someone really lets loose and breakdowns after such an unexpected and horrible tragedy. Plus, everyone deals with death differently. Not everyone falls to pieces and can't talk or can't stop crying for days right from the beginning. NONE OF THIS IS PROOF OF A HOAX, CONSPIRACY, OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN A TRUE AND REAL TRAGEDY!

Like I said before, I DO BELIEVE the government and maybe even some media outlets are exploiting this tragedy to further an unnecessary anti-gun agenda, but NOTHING MORE!
Clap ... clap ... clap.

Bravo sister. Stop letting the crazies control your side of the debate.
whitepony87

Mooresville, NC

#142 Jan 21, 2013
Pro Guns wrote:
<quoted text>
I am pro guns, against ANY MORE restrictions or bans on guns, ammo, etc! I want that to be VERY clear. HOWEVER, you and the people like you who are saying this was hoaxes, fake, or a conspiracy seriously need medication and not guns, you don't even need rubber bullets with no gun to shoot them from but rather a rubber room. The "inconsistencies" all the conspiracy theorists can come up with are INITIAL contradictory statements which are ALWAYS what comes out of the first reports of major tragedies. Every news outlet wants to be the first one to report the latest and most shocking news so rather than waiting to make sure all their "facts" are indeed facts they instead report anything and everything they hear without making sure it is true and then go back and correct themselves later when they find out they are wrong. THAT ISN'T A CONSPIRACY! That is just how it works in reporting the news.
Let me get this straight, you believe that anyone who questions any official story about anything should be medicated against their will? Interesting, not really a pro-liberty American freedom loving opinion, but I guess you are entitled to it. Me personally, I do not trust the mainstream media at all. You honestly believe they are above skewing the facts a little to support their agenda? Then you are frighteningly naive. The news media has told countless lies in the past, and nearly every station has been caught editing footage and messing with the results of polls. Pull your head out of your ass and take a good look at the bigger picture here. If the government wants us disarmed the media is going to be complacent in that, they are basically a propaganda mouthpiece of the federal government, nothing more.
Schitturd Toileta

Daniels, WV

#143 Jan 21, 2013
The news media is so I trusted because of their globalist agenda, people cannot believe what they report.
telling it

Huntington, WV

#144 Jan 21, 2013
whitepony87 wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as to say nothing happened that day, something obviously did. But I did notice many things that didn't add up in the official story. For example they say he shot all of these children with an AR-15, and their wounds were from 5.56 ammo, but there is a video clearly showing them removing an AR like weapon out of the locked trunk of a car after it was all over. The man died in the school right? What about the video of the two guys running into the woods right after it happened, and a man being lead out in cuffs in camo pants and a dark jacket? Why did they bring that up then completely drop it? Look at the video of one of the parents before he was interviewed. You can find all of these videos on youtube. The father appears to be an actor, first he is smiling and laughing, this was also 1 day after the shootings, then he takes several deep breaths his whole demeanor changes and he is sobbing by the time the cameras rolling. Something about the story is fishy. I think that he used a handgun and they just tell us he was using an AR to further demonize semi-automatic high capacity rifles. Those in charge have changed the facts of this story to support their gun control agenda. So now just because a couple of psychos went nuts and did something crazy they expect all the rest of us to give up our rights out of fear? That might work on some, but not for me. If you want my guns come and take them and see what happens when you attempt to violate the god given constitutional rights of free American citizens. The spirit of our founding fathers still lives in many of us today.
"God given constitutional rights" horseboy God had nothing to do with the constitution. You had me until your true ignorance shinned through sorry!
Get Real

Farmington, MI

#145 Jan 21, 2013
Ferb wrote:
to the conspiracy minded: try to think about this critically. which is more likely to be fake: a terrible killing spree and resulting response involving hundreds to thousands of people, or a half-assed you tube video with some pot head's narrative of unreadable website screenshots and random file footage. is it really that controversial?
Not everyone is saying it was a hoax or that it never happened. That is absurd! What we are saying is that we are not being told the whole truth, the way it happened. If you think that our government has never lied to us or hid the truth from us then, the very one who belongs in a rubber room is you!
I'm sick of you nut jobs explaining shit away with your "initial reports" and "coincidences" and expecting people not to question anything we are told when the stories don't add up.
The guy did kill those people but, the bushmaster was "confirmed" to have been found in the trunk by the feds according to the news reporting it.
Eyewitnesses reported seeing 2 HANDGUNS ONLY!
It was reported early in the day that the bushmaster was found in the trunk but, then they claim it was never removed from the vehicle until night.
That isn't a conspiracy! It is a fact that some stories don't add up and people want the TRUTH!
Zaphod

Alexandria, VA

#146 Jan 21, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>Not everyone is saying it was a hoax or that it never happened. That is absurd! What we are saying is that we are not being told the whole truth, the way it happened. If you think that our government has never lied to us or hid the truth from us then, the very one who belongs in a rubber room is you!
I'm sick of you nut jobs explaining shit away with your "initial reports" and "coincidences" and expecting people not to question anything we are told when the stories don't add up.
The guy did kill those people but, the bushmaster was "confirmed" to have been found in the trunk by the feds according to the news reporting it.
Eyewitnesses reported seeing 2 HANDGUNS ONLY!
It was reported early in the day that the bushmaster was found in the trunk but, then they claim it was never removed from the vehicle until night.
That isn't a conspiracy! It is a fact that some stories don't add up and people want the TRUTH!
Sigh. It's so sad that you are so clueless. For what you're saying to be true the conspiracy to lie and hide the "real truth" would have to be vast. The police, prosecutors, and countless others would have to all sing the same song. How do you suppose the government is controlling all these people? The men who stare at goats?
Get Real

Ironton, OH

#147 Jan 21, 2013
Zaphod wrote:
<quoted text>
Sigh. It's so sad that you are so clueless. For what you're saying to be true the conspiracy to lie and hide the "real truth" would have to be vast. The police, prosecutors, and countless others would have to all sing the same song. How do you suppose the government is controlling all these people? The men who stare at goats?

I never said the entire event was a conspiracy so get your facts straight fuck face. For you to pretend like our government or the media has never lied to or hid the truth from the public is a level of ignorance that only you possess!
Obama isn't going to ban stupidity or your welfare check so why do you care so much? There were eyewitnesses who said that the suspect had 2 handguns and nothing else. The first reports stated that the Bushmaster was found in the trunk of the suspects car.
You can call it "coincidence" or "initial reports" or whatever you want but, what it really is, is "changing their story"!
Zaphod

Alexandria, VA

#148 Jan 21, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>I never said the entire event was a conspiracy so get your facts straight fuck face. For you to pretend like our government or the media has never lied to or hid the truth from the public is a level of ignorance that only you possess!
Obama isn't going to ban stupidity or your welfare check so why do you care so much? There were eyewitnesses who said that the suspect had 2 handguns and nothing else. The first reports stated that the Bushmaster was found in the trunk of the suspects car.
You can call it "coincidence" or "initial reports" or whatever you want but, what it really is, is "changing their story"!
So what are you saying douchebag if you aren't saying its a conspiracy? You're too stupid even for yourself.
Pro Guns

Slippery Rock, PA

#149 Jan 21, 2013
whitepony87 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me get this straight, you believe that anyone who questions any official story about anything should be medicated against their will? Interesting, not really a pro-liberty American freedom loving opinion, but I guess you are entitled to it. Me personally, I do not trust the mainstream media at all. You honestly believe they are above skewing the facts a little to support their agenda? Then you are frighteningly naive. The news media has told countless lies in the past, and nearly every station has been caught editing footage and messing with the results of polls. Pull your head out of your ass and take a good look at the bigger picture here. If the government wants us disarmed the media is going to be complacent in that, they are basically a propaganda mouthpiece of the federal government, nothing more.
So are your reading comprehension skills that poor or are you like the media you described and just twist words and facts to fit your argument? I never said to medicate these people "against their will", but if anyone believes this was a COMPLETE HOAX, does need medication. It's up to them if they want to admit that their irrational thinking warrants a doctor's appointment and medication but IMO I would highly recommend it. And, I actually said the exact opposite of the idea that our media wouldn't exploit events (meaning pick and choose what they release, etc.) to further whatever agenda they are after, and usually an agenda that some part of the federal government wants furthered. Why do you think liberals and conservatives go back and forth about the whole Fox News vs CNN etc.? It because you turn on Fox, yoou are more than likely going to get accounts that back up a conservative view and CNN or NBC is more liberal and therefore you get accounts that are going to support a liberal view. Either side will pick and choose what they release to try and convince their audience that their perspective is right and that perspective is logically going to have to be supported by one side of the government or the other. And, I made it very clear I DID believe the government and liberal media outlets are exploiting this tragedy to further an unecessary anti-gun agenda. I DON'T believe for a second that the government was behind the murder of 20 elementary aged children, that this event was in any way a conspiracy, or that anyone hoaxed the entire thing. I think a tragedy occurred that was quickly and easily turned into an event the government and liberal media outlets could exploit to get the backing of the uninformed American citizens in anti-gun policies. But that's it. A tragedy occurred and rather than address the real issues they are using it to gain support for anti-gun agendas.

I think we SHOULD question what we see in the media. I also think people on both sides should watch ALL media sources, FOX, CNN, NBC, etc. So that they do get BOTH sides of the story, ALL opinions, and the MOST ACCURATE picture. The government CAN stop certain things from being leaked at all for at least a while but an event like this isn't going to be fabricated. For one thing, there have been parents that lost children that day that have been interviewed and quoted as saying they disagree with Obama's anti-gun policies and feel he isn't doing anything to address the real issue or fix the problem. If this was something the government dreamt up and fabricated then you would only get one opinion from the "grieving parents" but that simply is not the case.

When you start believing everything you hear in the media then I think you are naive, irrational, misinformed, and basically nuts. When you start thinking the government has the ability, power, and wish to fabricate or set up a tragedy like this one and believe everything you hear in the media is untrue and nothing more than a "mouth piece for the federal government" then I think you are paranoid, irrational, misinformed, and basically nuts. Get it?

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#150 Jan 21, 2013
I think It would be great if it were a hoax. No dead children...and no grieving parents.

Unfortunately, I just don't believe that is the case.
Get Real

Ironton, OH

#151 Jan 21, 2013
Zaphod wrote:
<quoted text>
So what are you saying douchebag if you aren't saying its a conspiracy? You're too stupid even for yourself.
This isn't the first school shooting. This is the first school shooting in which law enforcement and the media can't seem to get their story straight about what weapons were used.
This is the first school shooting in which parents had to get into character for their interview. This is the first school shooting in which what we are being told keeps changing.
Sometimes initial reports are wrong but, what about reports 2 days later that were confirmed by feds?
Is someone really sick and stupid enough to have Photoshoped a pic of that little girl who was supposedly dead in Obama's lap? Maybe yes I guess but, this is the first school shooting surrounded by so many questions and answers that make no sense.
Oswald shot Kennedy and there is no bigfoot and I've never seen an Alien and men who stare at goats is sci fi.

Those are conspiracies. How about an intelligent conversation on the fact that this event is surrounded with lots of things do not add up with what we are being told?
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Pro Guns

Slippery Rock, PA

#153 Jan 21, 2013
Will Munny wrote:
I think It would be great if it were a hoax. No dead children...and no grieving parents.
Unfortunately, I just don't believe that is the case.
Agree!
Zaphod

Proctorville, OH

#154 Jan 21, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>This isn't the first school shooting. This is the first school shooting in which law enforcement and the media can't seem to get their story straight about what weapons were used.
This is the first school shooting in which parents had to get into character for their interview. This is the first school shooting in which what we are being told keeps changing.
Sometimes initial reports are wrong but, what about reports 2 days later that were confirmed by feds?
Is someone really sick and stupid enough to have Photoshoped a pic of that little girl who was supposedly dead in Obama's lap? Maybe yes I guess but, this is the first school shooting surrounded by so many questions and answers that make no sense.
Oswald shot Kennedy and there is no bigfoot and I've never seen an Alien and men who stare at goats is sci fi.

Those are conspiracies. How about an intelligent conversation on the fact that this event is surrounded with lots of things do not add up with what we are being told?
You need to be intelligent for me to have an intelligent conversation with you. Can't happen. Initial reports are often inaccurate. Maybe this is the first story you've followed. The girl you're talking about is the younger sister in a similar outfit. You're continued insistence shows your stupidity.
Get Real

Ironton, OH

#155 Jan 21, 2013
Zaphod wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to be intelligent for me to have an intelligent conversation with you. Can't happen. Initial reports are often inaccurate. Maybe this is the first story you've followed. The girl you're talking about is the younger sister in a similar outfit. You're continued insistence shows your stupidity.
Blah blah blah. Fuck you and your initial reports, I asked about reports that were confirmed by feds 2 days later. The sister in the outfit I can buy and don't deny the shooting happened.
Eyewitnesses stated 2 handguns. That ruins your credibility. The Bushmaster was in the trunk.
Pro Guns

Slippery Rock, PA

#156 Jan 21, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
This isn't the first school shooting. This is the first school shooting in which law enforcement and the media can't seem to get their story straight about what weapons were used.
This is the first school shooting in which parents had to get into character for their interview. This is the first school shooting in which what we are being told keeps changing.
Sometimes initial reports are wrong but, what about reports 2 days later that were confirmed by feds?
Is someone really sick and stupid enough to have Photoshoped a pic of that little girl who was supposedly dead in Obama's lap? Maybe yes I guess but, this is the first school shooting surrounded by so many questions and answers that make no sense.
Oswald shot Kennedy and there is no bigfoot and I've never seen an Alien and men who stare at goats is sci fi.
Those are conspiracies. How about an intelligent conversation on the fact that this event is surrounded with lots of things do not add up with what we are being told?
I looked very closely at the picture you are referring to and IMO it looks like her little sister in the same dress. Especially if you take into consideration that all three of those precious little girls looked so much alike and more than likely the little sister has grown since her big sister (the one who was shot) wore it, it is very likely she looks even more like her big sister. Plus, with her big sister just being killed it is very plausible she wanted to wear her big sister's clothes or the parents put her in it as a memorial and it's even likely they are so used to passing clothes down that they didn't even think about the idea that someone would try to say it was their dead daughter on the president's lap and use an old photograph for proof and just dressed their child without even thinking about that old picture. And, as for parents "getting into character", have you ever lost someone? It is very plausible that moments before he began talking about his daughter the media and everyone else around him were trying to talk about a lighter subject and distracted him long enough to get a smile and a laugh and then when he step up to the podium to speak he came back to the "here and now" and the emotions of speaking about his recently deceased daughter and this tragedy suddenly hit him again. I've been there, not in this exact situation , but in a tragedy involving the life of a child and there were moments I got distracted or had a moment where I was able to think about a happy thought and even cracked a smile and laughed a little bit but just like this man, as soon as that moment was over and reality came rushing back in I was ready to hyperventilate and cry some more and doing my best not to let that show. This doesn't explain everything, and I could be wrong, but this is enough explanation and plausible enough for me and I far from trust the government and media. This makes much more sense to me than the idea that the government and media are in cahoots to dupe the American public into believing this tragedy occurred when it actually didn't. Plus, I may be pro-guns and I definitely believe the government and media are exploiting this event to further an anti-gun agenda that by no means addresses the real issues in this tragedy but I stop there. I DO NOT want to be the one accusing these people and parents of lying and my comments be the ones they read when they get online and my comments and conspiracy theories add to an already unimaginable amount of grief. Questions about this tragedy and how to prevent similar tragedies from occurring do need to be asked, but not questions involving the actual loss of these children's lives or how genuine their parent's emotions were. I think the families have suffered and been exploited enough by the media and our government, they don't need any more cause for grief they just need to be left alone to try to figure out how to restart their lives without their family.
Get Real

Ironton, OH

#157 Jan 21, 2013
This all sounds logical. I simply question the guns that were used. An AR at point blank range would have been through and through and made the same hole as a standard .22 round. Somebody would have survived.
There were eyewitness accounts that they saw 2 handguns and nothing else. There were daytime news reports that the Bushmaster was found in the trunk.
I do not believe the rifle was used. Not some absurd theory that it never happened.
Zaphod

Proctorville, OH

#158 Jan 22, 2013
Get Real wrote:
This all sounds logical. I simply question the guns that were used. An AR at point blank range would have been through and through and made the same hole as a standard .22 round. Somebody would have survived.
There were eyewitness accounts that they saw 2 handguns and nothing else. There were daytime news reports that the Bushmaster was found in the trunk.
I do not believe the rifle was used. Not some absurd theory that it never happened.
So when the reports from the medical examiner come out, official police reports, and testimony at trial prove you wrong will you admit that you're the worst kind of moron and should bury yourself in you bunker?

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