MU Crash Memorial

Nov 7, 2013 Full story: WCHS-TV Charleston 19

Huntington , Cabell County , West Virginia The son of a couple killed in the 1970 Marshall University plane crash is the featured speaker at this year's memorial service for the victims.

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WVU Fan

Charleston, WV

#1 Nov 7, 2013
Again this year, I will remove all WVU regalia and wear Kelly Green and White all day November 14th. All differences aside, on that date every West Virginian bonds together to support the Marshall and Huntington families. It's not a morbid remembrance but fulfillment of the promise oft made when tragedy strikes - We will not forget!

Deeply troubling to me though, is who will most noticeably be absent - the current Football team and staff. As of this posting, ALL traveling members of the Marshall Football team will wake-up the morning of November 14th in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Yes, that's right, the Marshall University Football team WILL NOT attend this year's Memorial service. This is shameful!

Yes it is an ESPN decision, to move the game to Thursday night...but it was up to Marshall to agree. Really folks, the date November 14th didn't ring a bell to someone?

The team could remain in Huntington and fly to Tulsa immediately after the Service. Why not do this?

This Saturday Marshall will, again, play a clip from the "We Are Marshall" film immediately before the team takes the field. Would someone in "leadership" at Marshall put down your drink for a few seconds and watch it?

More importantly, would someone in "leadership" at Marshall publicly accept responsibility NOW for this decision? Don't hold your breath, this story is being buried deep and the media isn't talking about it. Of course, next Thursday they may report about it in a reactionary manner. Likely, they will just report Dr. Kopp doing a tap dance trying to avoid responsibility.

If Dr. Kopp can't get the blame to stick on ESPN, maybe he can call it a glitch with the website.
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WVU Fan

Charleston, WV

#3 Nov 7, 2013
Zaphod, this thread isn't to trash the football "ability" of Marshall, it's to call to question the judgement of leadership. Yeah, it would appear the same inept judgement that picks players and coaches made this decision; however, talk about fumbling the ball 1-yard from the endzone!

Okay, Marshall did that last week too...led to 7 points 3-plays later on the other end.
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WVU Fan

Charleston, WV

#5 Nov 7, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand what you're saying big guy. I just think its dumb. Of course they're going to take a Thursday night game. It's silly to think they wouldn't.
I don't intend that MU should have snubbed the game, especially since it is a Conference USA game and it would be tough to snub them.

But here is an idea (Hey Dr. Kopp, feel free to use this and call it your own - may save your butt):

1. Move the Memorial Service up one hour; start it instead at 11am.

2. Arrange for law enforcement to escort the busses from campus to the airport. This would be simple.

3. Fly on the same charter jet you would have the day before.

4. Still arrive in Tulsa by 3:30pm CDT.

5. Take the team directly to the Stadium.

6. Have some of the miscellaneous tag-alongs that ride the jet take care of getting luggage off the busses and into the hotel rooms.

From here, your plans don't change. Try to beat Tulsa at home, stay overnight, return to Huntington mid-day Friday.
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Just so you know

Huntington, WV

#7 Nov 7, 2013
The football players that are not on the traveling team will be at the service.
WVU Fan

Charleston, WV

#8 Nov 7, 2013
Sorry Zaphod, I haven't drank the kool-aid like you have. The Team needs to be there or quit using that tragedy as a selling point. Marshall University treats the anniversary as a morbid remembrance while people like me (who know people personally touched by the tragedy) see it as an opportunity to support loved ones.

For the Team to not be there is just not right.

Seeing the clip, at EVERY HOME GAME, that dramatizes the locker room scene from the 1971 season is tough enough. This is a slap in the face to everyone with personal ties to the accident.
Hood rat

Charleston, WV

#9 Nov 7, 2013
Herd it was Hamrick and his bunch that want it this way. The team actually would like to stay here but the big buck boys are more worried about the $ than they are using some sense. Delaying the team's flight would cost too much money is the excuse they are hearin
Marshall come on

Pittsburgh, PA

#10 Nov 8, 2013
WVU Fan wrote:
Sorry Zaphod, I haven't drank the kool-aid like you have. The Team needs to be there or quit using that tragedy as a selling point. Marshall University treats the anniversary as a morbid remembrance while people like me (who know people personally touched by the tragedy) see it as an opportunity to support loved ones.
For the Team to not be there is just not right.
Seeing the clip, at EVERY HOME GAME, that dramatizes the locker room scene from the 1971 season is tough enough. This is a slap in the face to everyone with personal ties to the accident.
Agreed. Marshall now uses the tragedy as a recruiting ploy and selling tool. Personally I'm tired of it and find it tasteless.

Level 2

Since: Jun 11

Earth

#11 Nov 8, 2013
WVU Fan wrote:
Again this year, I will remove all WVU regalia and wear Kelly Green and White all day November 14th. All differences aside, on that date every West Virginian bonds together to support the Marshall and Huntington families. It's not a morbid remembrance but fulfillment of the promise oft made when tragedy strikes - We will not forget!

Deeply troubling to me though, is who will most noticeably be absent - the current Football team and staff. As of this posting, ALL traveling members of the Marshall Football team will wake-up the morning of November 14th in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Yes, that's right, the Marshall University Football team WILL NOT attend this year's Memorial service. This is shameful!

Yes it is an ESPN decision, to move the game to Thursday night...but it was up to Marshall to agree. Really folks, the date November 14th didn't ring a bell to someone?

The team could remain in Huntington and fly to Tulsa immediately after the Service. Why not do this?

This Saturday Marshall will, again, play a clip from the "We Are Marshall" film immediately before the team takes the field. Would someone in "leadership" at Marshall put down your drink for a few seconds and watch it?

More importantly, would someone in "leadership" at Marshall publicly accept responsibility NOW for this decision? Don't hold your breath, this story is being buried deep and the media isn't talking about it. Of course, next Thursday they may report about it in a reactionary manner. Likely, they will just report Dr. Kopp doing a tap dance trying to avoid responsibility.

If Dr. Kopp can't get the blame to stick on ESPN, maybe he can call it a glitch with the website.
Blah blah blah... How is it a "ESPN decision"?

Level 2

Since: Jun 11

Earth

#12 Nov 8, 2013
WVU Fan wrote:
Sorry Zaphod, I haven't drank the kool-aid like you have. The Team needs to be there or quit using that tragedy as a selling point. Marshall University treats the anniversary as a morbid remembrance while people like me (who know people personally touched by the tragedy) see it as an opportunity to support loved ones.

For the Team to not be there is just not right.

Seeing the clip, at EVERY HOME GAME, that dramatizes the locker room scene from the 1971 season is tough enough. This is a slap in the face to everyone with personal ties to the accident.
Again you're babbling and saying things not true. Please stop or at least know something before posting.
WVU Fan

Charleston, WV

#13 Nov 8, 2013
Mr_Awesome you ask "how is it a ESPN decision." Oh, let's see now...

THEY PICK THE GAME THEY WANT FOR THURSDAY NIGHT, DUH?

ESPN knew they wanted Marshall, Tulsa, or maybe it was both.

ESPN knew initially the game would be (or was) scheduled for Saturday November 16th.

ESPN had to approach the schools to get them to agree to the change. At the very least, ESPN had to go through Conference USA for the date/time change.

Obviously the only people on the planet with even a remote clue of what November 14th is only live within a 50 mile radius of Huntington, WV.

Even at that, somebody in the AD's Department at Marshall didn't recognize that date?

You can't be serious with your comments...either that or you should have stopped at 10 pre-dinner drinks.
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WVU Fan

Charleston, WV

#15 Nov 9, 2013
We are Marshall wrote:
How long is everyone going to carry on over the plane crash?
While I reject your premise of people "carry[ing] on" about the plane crash, I see the point you are trying to make.

For those of us with a personal attachment to the event, we will never forget...we cannot ever forget. It is that remembrance that draws each of us to the Memorial Fountain each year. And you are right, it shouldn't be a time to "carry on."

The University has made it a point to actively participate because, corporately, it is a sad day for them too. Just as we mark Veteran's Day and Memorial Day, November 14th is a time to pause, reflect, and think. We mourn the loss but also acknowledge and thank those that persevered in the weeks and months leading to the 1971 Season and beyond.

The University; however, has lost sight of the objective of the Memorial. The University has, in recent years, used the crash as a marketing tool. They have hyped and promoted the crash and the unity that followed as being a character trait of Marshall University. This is in the spirit and the blood of Marshall graduates - persevere and rise above. "We Are Marshall" is the chant that will be lifted above all other sounds in the stadium today.

But they are allowing the cloud of greed for money and attention distract them from what the basis of that unity comes from; the loss of an entire football program in a tragic plane crash.

For the University to snub the Memorial Service by removing the 2013 Football Team is unforgivable.

Forever a pox on the University and The Big Green. They have a few days to prevent what will be a public relations disaster. As some have mused, "Who outside of Huntington cares about this?" I dare believe that, come 12:05PM on Thursday November 14, 2013, the least of Marshall's worries will be what lies outside the Huntington and Marshall communities.

Remember Dr. Kopp, Mr. Hamrick, and all the Marshall Board of Governors; we are your neighbors, ticket holders, and donors.

Level 2

Since: Jun 11

Earth

#16 Nov 10, 2013
WVU Fan wrote:
Mr_Awesome you ask "how is it a ESPN decision." Oh, let's see now...

THEY PICK THE GAME THEY WANT FOR THURSDAY NIGHT, DUH?

ESPN knew they wanted Marshall, Tulsa, or maybe it was both.

ESPN knew initially the game would be (or was) scheduled for Saturday November 16th.

ESPN had to approach the schools to get them to agree to the change. At the very least, ESPN had to go through Conference USA for the date/time change.

Obviously the only people on the planet with even a remote clue of what November 14th is only live within a 50 mile radius of Huntington, WV.

Even at that, somebody in the AD's Department at Marshall didn't recognize that date?

You can't be serious with your comments...either that or you should have stopped at 10 pre-dinner drinks.
ESPN huh...

You're immersed so deep in your own cluelessness that you don't even get it.

Level 2

Since: Jun 11

Earth

#17 Nov 10, 2013
WVU Fan wrote:
<quoted text>While I reject your premise of people "carry[ing] on" about the plane crash, I see the point you are trying to make.

For those of us with a personal attachment to the event, we will never forget...we cannot ever forget. It is that remembrance that draws each of us to the Memorial Fountain each year. And you are right, it shouldn't be a time to "carry on."

The University has made it a point to actively participate because, corporately, it is a sad day for them too. Just as we mark Veteran's Day and Memorial Day, November 14th is a time to pause, reflect, and think. We mourn the loss but also acknowledge and thank those that persevered in the weeks and months leading to the 1971 Season and beyond.

The University; however, has lost sight of the objective of the Memorial. The University has, in recent years, used the crash as a marketing tool. They have hyped and promoted the crash and the unity that followed as being a character trait of Marshall University. This is in the spirit and the blood of Marshall graduates - persevere and rise above. "We Are Marshall" is the chant that will be lifted above all other sounds in the stadium today.

But they are allowing the cloud of greed for money and attention distract them from what the basis of that unity comes from; the loss of an entire football program in a tragic plane crash.

For the University to snub the Memorial Service by removing the 2013 Football Team is unforgivable.

Forever a pox on the University and The Big Green. They have a few days to prevent what will be a public relations disaster. As some have mused, "Who outside of Huntington cares about this?" I dare believe that, come 12:05PM on Thursday November 14, 2013, the least of Marshall's worries will be what lies outside the Huntington and Marshall communities.

Remember Dr. Kopp, Mr. Hamrick, and all the Marshall Board of Governors; we are your neighbors, ticket holders, and donors.
You're a moron. The University isn't snubbing the memorial service. If you had one iota of a brain cell in this matter you would already know the complete bullshi you've been posting proves you're clueless. I've given you ample opportunities to fact check your babble but it's obvious that you are only able to just randomly spout nonsense so actually hoping you catch on is a list cause.

Enjoy the game on ESPN on Thursday since Marshall chose to do that... Genius.
WVU Fan

Charleston, WV

#18 Nov 13, 2013
First off "Mr_Awesome" I have one simple comment for you - screw you.

Okay, so it's Fox Sports 1 that is to cover the game and I kept saying ESPN. Yeah, I did keep spouting something as a fact that was indeed wrong. I was mistaken when I blamed ESPN. My mistake, my misstatement, and I readily accept responsibility for [repeatedly] making that mistake.

Now, let's talk facts...

The University, today, sent press releases that for the first time acknowledge the current Team will be in Tulsa during the Memorial Service.

The University has now made arrangements for a video conference feed connecting the Team and Staff in Tulsa with the Service. It wasn't until last Friday that they began to seriously discuss fallout from what was planned.

It was only yesterday that Marshall negotiated and agreement allowing the video hookup.

Marshall will STILL have spin-doctors around the Memorial tomorrow to deal with media and public inquiries.

Oh, it isn't just a Marshall thing. Officials at East Carolina offered Marshall several things when it was likely MU would join C-USA. Among those things are:

1. ECU would do their best to play MU on either weekend surrounding the crash.

2. ECU would dedicate the halftime events of any such game played at ECU to a memorial observance of the 1970 Team, Staff and the Southern Airways crew.

Did you know that every year Marshall has conducted a memorial service there has been a quiet, official, delegation from ECU that has always attended the Memorial?

ECU has quietly scolded MU for the decision they made this year. Look for 2014 and subsequent years to be different.
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WVU Fan

Charleston, WV

#20 Nov 13, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
<quoted text>
How did they quietly scold Marshall?
Sign language ?
Along with several representatives of crash victim families, ECU officials rebuked MU leaders behind closed doors. In other words, not publicly and you will not find ECU commenting on what they said.
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WVU Fan

Charleston, WV

#22 Nov 13, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know it happened?
Did you bug the office? Or did you get in your space ship and get it from Uranus?
1. Place a finger firmly into each ear.
2. Gently, but swiftly, pull your head out of your ass.
3. Read my last post on November 7th.
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WVU Fan2

Charleston, WV

#24 Nov 13, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
<quoted text>
None of your posts are anything other than whining drivel. Just do everyone a favor and shut up.
So who appointed you the Chief of Topix Police?

I've seen plenty of your drivel on here...and of course people call it for what it is - bullfarts. Why don't you just cruze on over to a porn site and pull your pajama pants off? I'm sure mommy and daddy won't be home from their night of drinking until 10 o'clock and I'm sure you will wear yourself out long before then.
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Level 2

Since: Jun 11

Earth

#26 Nov 13, 2013
WVU Fan wrote:
First off "Mr_Awesome" I have one simple comment for you - screw you.

Okay, so it's Fox Sports 1 that is to cover the game and I kept saying ESPN. Yeah, I did keep spouting something as a fact that was indeed wrong. I was mistaken when I blamed ESPN. My mistake, my misstatement, and I readily accept responsibility for [repeatedly] making that mistake.

Now, let's talk facts...

The University, today, sent press releases that for the first time acknowledge the current Team will be in Tulsa during the Memorial Service.

The University has now made arrangements for a video conference feed connecting the Team and Staff in Tulsa with the Service. It wasn't until last Friday that they began to seriously discuss fallout from what was planned.

It was only yesterday that Marshall negotiated and agreement allowing the video hookup.

Marshall will STILL have spin-doctors around the Memorial tomorrow to deal with media and public inquiries.

Oh, it isn't just a Marshall thing. Officials at East Carolina offered Marshall several things when it was likely MU would join C-USA. Among those things are:

1. ECU would do their best to play MU on either weekend surrounding the crash.

2. ECU would dedicate the halftime events of any such game played at ECU to a memorial observance of the 1970 Team, Staff and the Southern Airways crew.

Did you know that every year Marshall has conducted a memorial service there has been a quiet, official, delegation from ECU that has always attended the Memorial?

ECU has quietly scolded MU for the decision they made this year. Look for 2014 and subsequent years to be different.
My moron comment stands. As you finally figured out your continued claims of ESPN and Marshall making deals was garbage. As far as when and who and where Marshall plays, Conference USA makes conference schedules which are announced usually May. The conference works out deals for schools to play on TV with networks that have deals with the conference such as Fox, CBS, etc. So again your claims of Marshall and ECU are nonsense that have nothing to do with the the FACT that Conference USA scheduled Marshall to play at Tulsa on Nov 14th 2013 and it would be broadcast on Fox Sports 1. Marshall was told by their conference just like every other school was told who and when and if they are playing on TV.

Instead of wasting all this time firing off ridiculous accusation why not direct them at the actual culprit of your anger?

Also as far as the team actually playing football on the anniversary of the tragedy would it not be out of the question to think what would make the players lost on that day more proud then to go out and play the sport they and their counterparts of today love? I highly doubt not one player looking down from above would say "They should be at our memorial instead of playing football". It's ludicrous to think they would and it's even more so that you continuously aim you bullshi at Marshall with the name "WVU Fan" no less.

Level 2

Since: Jun 11

Earth

#27 Nov 13, 2013
WVU Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Along with several representatives of crash victim families, ECU officials rebuked MU leaders behind closed doors. In other words, not publicly and you will not find ECU commenting on what they said.
This is great. Love this. Well it so happens that I have a mutual friend whom is good friends with Chancellor Ballard. I'll have to have him call him and ask what these supposed ECU Officials had to say.

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