What's Up with all the Muslims at Sta...
baily

Huntington, WV

#156 Sep 14, 2013
jesus was sent by god his father to take the sins of the world onto his self' and die on the cross and his blood would wash away all sin on him that he took' and all the sins of mankind who accept him'god could not look on him at this time so he suffered' a long time a slow bleed to dealth for you and me' the end'the old test is good to read jesus came' and closed it it was done' so the newtest was started by him' the end we live in the last book in the bible that is almost fullfiled.
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#158 Sep 14, 2013
lol

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#159 Sep 14, 2013
baily wrote:
jesus was sent by god his father to take the sins of the world onto his self' and die on the cross and his blood would wash away all sin on him that he took' and all the sins of mankind who accept him'god could not look on him at this time so he suffered' a long time a slow bleed to dealth for you and me' the end'the old test is good to read jesus came' and closed it it was done' so the newtest was started by him' the end we live in the last book in the bible that is almost fullfiled.
What about other people that have died through crucifixion, two others on the same day as Jesus? Is it the act of suffering crucifixion in and of itself that triggers this redemptive action? If so, what about others that have been crucified?
baily

Huntington, WV

#160 Sep 14, 2013
yes one of the two that died with jesus' had enough faith that jesus told him' he would be with him in heaven' the other and the rest were preached to'in and i dont like the word hell' and most there did not beleave him' and yes jesus had to suffer for our sins.
Derper

Huntington, WV

#161 Sep 14, 2013
I think what lawyer is asking is...why is Jesus different from every other person who has been crucified? I'm sure that thousands have died this way, and occasionally it still happens in savage little corners of the world.

I understood lawyer to be asking...is it the act of being crucified that allowed Him to redeem everyone else? My answer would be that it was specifically He that had to be crucified, to bear all the suffering, so that we won't have to. None of the other people crucified were the Son, and incidentally, none of those people were doing it with the intent of redeeming the world. But that's just my belief.

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#162 Sep 14, 2013
That's it. I've never really thought through the mechanism of how it actually works.

It's true that Jesus died with the intent. If someone else had had that intent would it work? I am not trying to reduce the sacrifice to some sort of spell. It wasn't the death in and of itself, nor could it have been the intent. I have to assume that the death was necessary; it was, after all, ordained. I can't explain it objectively to a non-believer; so the merit of this sacrifice must be accepted in faith, transcending a rational explanation of what occurred.
Interesting

Huntington, WV

#163 Sep 14, 2013
Entertainment lawyer wrote:
That's it. I've never really thought through the mechanism of how it actually works.

It's true that Jesus died with the intent. If someone else had had that intent would it work? I am not trying to reduce the sacrifice to some sort of spell. It wasn't the death in and of itself, nor could it have been the intent. I have to assume that the death was necessary; it was, after all, ordained. I can't explain it objectively to a non-believer; so the merit of this sacrifice must be accepted in faith, transcending a rational explanation of what occurred.
This may be a question for "wow" but how did Muhammad die? Just curious. For a pathetic initial start to this thread, I am relieved to see some intelligent thought here.:-)
Derper

Huntington, WV

#164 Sep 14, 2013
We do what we can. ;)

Seriously, I wanted to say how great it was to have an intelligent conversation, but I was scared I'd jinx it. lol
interesting

Huntington, WV

#165 Sep 14, 2013
Derper wrote:
We do what we can. ;)

Seriously, I wanted to say how great it was to have an intelligent conversation, but I was scared I'd jinx it. lol
Derper--

I enjoy your posts on random threads. Always intelligent with a touch of sarcasm when needed. Whatever became of the "peanut butter" thread? LOL.
Derper

Huntington, WV

#166 Sep 14, 2013
Entertainment lawyer wrote:
That's it. I've never really thought through the mechanism of how it actually works.
It's true that Jesus died with the intent. If someone else had had that intent would it work? I am not trying to reduce the sacrifice to some sort of spell. It wasn't the death in and of itself, nor could it have been the intent. I have to assume that the death was necessary; it was, after all, ordained. I can't explain it objectively to a non-believer; so the merit of this sacrifice must be accepted in faith, transcending a rational explanation of what occurred.


I wonder how many people understood at the crucifixion what had actually been accomplished? My guess is, not as many as is widely thought. I think the realization took place bit by bit, word of mouth, when the woman (I forget her name) ran to tell others that the tomb was empty. Then when He appeared and showed his wounds, Thomas, one of His own disciples, doubted what had happened. And then those who witnessed the ascension...for them, I don't see how there could have been any doubt.
interesting

Huntington, WV

#167 Sep 14, 2013
Derper wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder how many people understood at the crucifixion what had actually been accomplished? My guess is, not as many as is widely thought. I think the realization took place bit by bit, word of mouth, when the woman (I forget her name) ran to tell others that the tomb was empty. Then when He appeared and showed his wounds, Thomas, one of His own disciples, doubted what had happened. And then those who witnessed the ascension...for them, I don't see how there could have been any doubt.
Wasn't it Mary Magdalene who visited the tomb? My bible studies ended long ago.

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#168 Sep 14, 2013
Derper wrote:
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I wonder how many people understood at the crucifixion what had actually been accomplished? My guess is, not as many as is widely thought. I think the realization took place bit by bit, word of mouth, when the woman (I forget her name) ran to tell others that the tomb was empty. Then when He appeared and showed his wounds, Thomas, one of His own disciples, doubted what had happened. And then those who witnessed the ascension...for them, I don't see how there could have been any doubt.
It was both the death and resurrection; however, the Last Supper is integral to the understanding of what occurred too. It's probably not surprising that Christian denominations can be distinguished on the basis of how each understands the relevance and connectedness of the last supper, the death and the resurrection.

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#169 Sep 14, 2013
interesting wrote:
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Wasn't it Mary Magdalene who visited the tomb? My bible studies ended long ago.
I recall that accounts differed; one writer reported "Mary and the other Mary." The fact that eyewitnesses should differ in their respective testimonies shouldn't be surprising. It happens all the time, particularly, if seeing an unusual or unexpected event.
Derper

Huntington, WV

#170 Sep 14, 2013
You guys are right. It's my recollection that it was Mary Magdalene and Mary, sister of Martha. Is that right? Martha was the one who did all the housework and cooking while Mary sat at the feet of Jesus.
Derper

Huntington, WV

#171 Sep 14, 2013
interesting wrote:
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Derper--
I enjoy your posts on random threads. Always intelligent with a touch of sarcasm when needed. Whatever became of the "peanut butter" thread? LOL.
Aww, thanks! I'm just here to have fun. Yes, what DID happen to it? Bring back the peanut butter thread!! lol

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#172 Sep 15, 2013
Entertainment lawyer wrote:
That's it. I've never really thought through the mechanism of how it actually works.
It's true that Jesus died with the intent. If someone else had had that intent would it work? I am not trying to reduce the sacrifice to some sort of spell. It wasn't the death in and of itself, nor could it have been the intent. I have to assume that the death was necessary; it was, after all, ordained. I can't explain it objectively to a non-believer; so the merit of this sacrifice must be accepted in faith, transcending a rational explanation of what occurred.
if some one else had the same intent it would not work. what made the crusifixion of jesus unique was not only did he willingly accept his role..... extending salvation to everyone thru sufferage on the cross (his intent).... but he had the ability to stop his suffarage by calling on the name of the lord, for angels & mercy. thru out the entire cricifixion... he did not call on him.... for us.

the others who had been crucified on a cross did not have this option to stop their crucifixtion... to cry out for the lord.

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#173 Sep 15, 2013
Interesting wrote:
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This may be a question for "wow" but how did Muhammad die? Just curious. For a pathetic initial start to this thread, I am relieved to see some intelligent thought here.:-)
the question for "wow" is: y did she check out on a stream about her own faith? ironic... when the stream started w/such silliness she had plenty to say n defense of her muslim faith. but when the real questions about her faith began.... civil questions ...n an effort to understand her muslim faith? her opportunity to educate .... & she checks out.

all i hear r crickets. suprisingly secretive for a muslim.(& yes, using the word "surprisingly" was my weak attempt at sarcasam)

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#174 Sep 15, 2013
*sarcasm*
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#176 Sep 15, 2013
^^once agin, over there lickin like super chicken^^

seriously, lol, dont u get exhausted begging for my attention on topix??

creepy.
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#178 Sep 15, 2013
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Nope. I get tired of your poor spelling, bad grammar, and smug attitude considering your lack of intelligence.
smug attitude towards u.

i c y, tho ....u can b a fan. too bad ur not atleast par w/ur counterpart jaja.

bet u'd rape a raggidy ann doll if sumone didnt keep ur gimped up creepiness locked away n the basement.

gross. ick. yuck. ur nasty.

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