"Big Business" ...republican or democ...

"Big Business" ...republican or democrat?

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Since: Oct 11

Saint Albans, WV

#1 Nov 28, 2013
I always hear liberals referring to republicans being the party of "big business". I just don't see it. The only thing I hear that even remotely supports this argument is that corporations tend to contribute more to republican candidates. Are these companies really republican? Other than Hobby Lobby and Chik-fil-a, I don't really know of a company who isn't liberal. I work for a huge corporation. Not sure about who they contribute to, campaign-wise, but the company itself is anything but conservative republican.

The company I used to work for was also huge, and they were ultra-liberal. Many prominent liberal democrats come from big business. The media is "big business" and they are almost all liberal. I actually couldn't name a single large company that doesn't practice "diversity" and every other issue championed by liberals.

In my opinion, most of these companies are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. So are they democrats or republicans? Liberal or conservative? By the way..."big business" still contributes a substantial amount to the democratic party. "Big labor unions" make up the single biggest contributing group. They contribute almost exclusively to democrats. Where does that money come from?
Ben

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Nov 28, 2013
sempron wrote:
I always hear liberals referring to republicans being the party of "big business". I just don't see it. The only thing I hear that even remotely supports this argument is that corporations tend to contribute more to republican candidates. Are these companies really republican? Other than Hobby Lobby and Chik-fil-a, I don't really know of a company who isn't liberal. I work for a huge corporation. Not sure about who they contribute to, campaign-wise, but the company itself is anything but conservative republican.
The company I used to work for was also huge, and they were ultra-liberal. Many prominent liberal democrats come from big business. The media is "big business" and they are almost all liberal. I actually couldn't name a single large company that doesn't practice "diversity" and every other issue championed by liberals.
In my opinion, most of these companies are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. So are they democrats or republicans? Liberal or conservative? By the way..."big business" still contributes a substantial amount to the democratic party. "Big labor unions" make up the single biggest contributing group. They contribute almost exclusively to democrats. Where does that money come from?
Wow where to begin? To think there's a simple answer to this is futile. However, big business money is definitely on the side of conservatism for the most part. Businesses are all about pleasing shareholders and maximizing profits so they will side with conservatives because they champion tax cuts which translate to higher profits. Conservatives can be republicans or (blue dog) democrats. I'm sure you can find examples of big businesses supporting liberals too but I'm assuming these are the minority. Liberals fight for equal rights so this leads to diversity programs being implemented. And now there's legislation waiting to be passed in congress called ENDA which would keep people from being fired on the basis of sexual orientation and this is definitely highly favored by liberals and more progressive-minded people. This is just an example of how rampant conservatism has to be balanced out by liberals or else everyone would be oppressed, refused minimum wage, benefits, and other basic rights for workers.
Ben

Logan, OH

#3 Nov 28, 2013
Let me also add that the Republican party is currently in the middle of a "civil war" between the establishment/big business wing and the tea party wing of the party. As the tea party faction keeps pushing our economy toward default in the interest of their extremist ideology, the business wing is starting to get shaky and some have slowly gravitated toward the Democratic party or at least become very vocal about these extremists. These big business types have a lot to lose if our country defaults on its loans. However, they are responsible for encouraging the tea party to this point and its their duty to get them in check and prevent them from doing something stupid.
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THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Barboursville, WV

#5 Nov 28, 2013
And just for good measure did you know there are more millionaire democrats in the senate then there are republicans.Look it up if you dont believe that one.So much for republicans being stereotyped as the rich white money grabbers.But as usual the hypocritical liberal media ignores these facts.Imagine that.
Zzz

Proctorville, OH

#6 Nov 28, 2013
"Big business" isn't an individual, doesn't register as a member of a political party and so can't be considered Republican or Democrat. The Republican party is commonly considered the big business party because it tends to support the deregulation of business activity, with the maximization of corporate profit as the primary goal. The Democratic party tries to cultivate an image as a defender of blue-collar interests, an opponent of corporate greed. In reality the relationship between politicians and corporations is a symbiotic one, regardless of the party involved.
Zzz

Proctorville, OH

#7 Nov 28, 2013
THE LAST WARRIOR POET wrote:
And just for good measure did you know there are more millionaire democrats in the senate then there are republicans.Look it up if you dont believe that one.So much for republicans being stereotyped as the rich white money grabbers.But as usual the hypocritical liberal media ignores these facts.Imagine that.
And in the House there are more millionaire Republicans. Add them up and there are more millionaire Republicans in Congress as a whole.
Zzz

Proctorville, OH

#8 Nov 28, 2013
Also, doing a quick internet search shows that of millionaires who claim political affiliation, more identify as Republican than Democrat. I'm not putting any value judgements on that, just stating facts as I've found them.

Level 5

Since: Oct 11

Saint Albans, WV

#9 Nov 28, 2013
We all know liberals hate big business (I hate using the phrase "big business", which is why I keep using quotes. Liberal talking points always put "big" in front of anything they want to denigrate). What about small business? I'm sure small business owners like maximizing profits, as well. Who's more likely to give them tax breaks? Not democrats. Small business owners voted republican 60% in the 2012 election, compared to 24% democrat (presidential election).

So democrats and small business don't seem to get along, either. What do democrats have against small business?

Level 5

Since: Oct 11

Saint Albans, WV

#10 Nov 28, 2013
Really, it sounds like democrats just don't like business in general.
Zzz

Proctorville, OH

#11 Nov 28, 2013
sempron wrote:
We all know liberals hate big business (I hate using the phrase "big business", which is why I keep using quotes.
Originally, weren't you saying you thought "big business" was liberal? As I read it, your posts are contradictory.
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Barboursville, WV

#12 Nov 28, 2013
sempron wrote:
We all know liberals hate big business (I hate using the phrase "big business", which is why I keep using quotes. Liberal talking points always put "big" in front of anything they want to denigrate). What about small business? I'm sure small business owners like maximizing profits, as well. Who's more likely to give them tax breaks? Not democrats. Small business owners voted republican 60% in the 2012 election, compared to 24% democrat (presidential election).
So democrats and small business don't seem to get along, either. What do democrats have against small business?
Thats because they're busy handing those taxes of working people out to minorities as entitlements to ensure their vote.
Ben

Logan, OH

#13 Nov 28, 2013
sempron wrote:
Really, it sounds like democrats just don't like business in general.
It's not the business itself that democrats or liberals are opposed to, it's the treatment of workers in my case. It is such a shame that you can work your ass off at a terrible job like Walmart or McDonald's and not even make a living wage in this country. That is damn near criminal. I think people just have a hard time seeing that these jobs are THE jobs now that manufacturing is mostly done overseas. These jobs are what honest, hardworking people do to feed their families and they get screwed over just so the shareholders can have a few more bucks and everyone's tax dollars have to subsidize the workers. And it's not like they can't afford to pay them better, these places are pulling in record profits!

The capitalists supporting this unfairness claim to hate socialism so much but they fail to realize that their actions are forcing the move toward equality. It breeds such resentment and distrust between workers and the oligarchs because they refuse to acknowledge how the workers are the foundation of a successful business. So until some major changes happen, liberals like me and pragmatic people are always going to hold corporations in such low regard.
Silent Majority

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Nov 29, 2013
Liberals and their high corporate taxes and greedy unions push our jobs out of the country..we have the highest corporate tax in the world. Liberals hate big business but want more jobs..oh the irony....the confused liberal mind.
Ben

Logan, OH

#15 Nov 29, 2013
Silent Majority wrote:
Liberals and their high corporate taxes and greedy unions push our jobs out of the country..we have the highest corporate tax in the world. Liberals hate big business but want more jobs..oh the irony....the confused liberal mind.
Yeah those greedy unions always fighting for their workers so they're treated like respectable human beings instead of slaves. How dare they?!

And yeah we have a high corporate tax but it now it is currently the lowest it has been in decades. I say jack it up! Make the millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share!
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Level 5

Since: Oct 11

Saint Albans, WV

#17 Nov 29, 2013
Ben wrote:
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It's not the business itself that democrats or liberals are opposed to, it's the treatment of workers in my case. It is such a shame that you can work your ass off at a terrible job like Walmart or McDonald's and not even make a living wage in this country. That is damn near criminal. I think people just have a hard time seeing that these jobs are THE jobs now that manufacturing is mostly done overseas. These jobs are what honest, hardworking people do to feed their families and they get screwed over just so the shareholders can have a few more bucks and everyone's tax dollars have to subsidize the workers. And it's not like they can't afford to pay them better, these places are pulling in record profits!
The capitalists supporting this unfairness claim to hate socialism so much but they fail to realize that their actions are forcing the move toward equality. It breeds such resentment and distrust between workers and the oligarchs because they refuse to acknowledge how the workers are the foundation of a successful business. So until some major changes happen, liberals like me and pragmatic people are always going to hold corporations in such low regard.
If democrats would stop raising taxes and spending money like crazy, these people could afford to live on those wages.
Silent Majority

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Nov 29, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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Nice bumper sticker quote professor.
Of course as usual your claims have no basis in reality since companies don't actually pay that rate.
Thats funny considering Ben wrote this: "yeah we have a high corporate tax"

Lmao...our resident low information liberals contradicting each other...So which is it?...We either pay a high corporate tax rate or we dont...You two clowns work it out and then get back to me.
Ben

Logan, OH

#19 Nov 29, 2013
Silent Majority wrote:
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Thats funny considering Ben wrote this: "yeah we have a high corporate tax"
Lmao...our resident low information liberals contradicting each other...So which is it?...We either pay a high corporate tax rate or we dont...You two clowns work it out and then get back to me.
It's quite simple. The rate is high. But no one actually pays that. Not really too much of a brain buster to figure that one out.
Ben

Logan, OH

#20 Nov 29, 2013
sempron wrote:
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If democrats would stop raising taxes and spending money like crazy, these people could afford to live on those wages.
Wow you're showing you know very little. Taxes now are at all time lows and spending has been cut back with austerity measures. That's why the economy is so stagnant unless you are already rich. The government NEEDS to spend during times of recession. So with spending cuts AND low taxes, there is no new revenue. This is not really hard to figure out unless you're a low-information voter, which it sure sounds like you are.
Gosh

Huntington, WV

#21 Nov 29, 2013
Big companies tend to avoid politics, as a company. Not so many of the people who run these companies.

I think many liberals, not all, want business to thrive but to also contribute to the social good of the people. A living wage is a big part of that contribution. Without as viable, and growing, middle class it will just continue to move toward a caste society. I can't imagine anyone really wants that to happen.
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Barboursville, WV

#22 Nov 29, 2013
Ben wrote:
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Yeah those greedy unions always fighting for their workers so they're treated like respectable human beings instead of slaves. How dare they?!
And yeah we have a high corporate tax but it now it is currently the lowest it has been in decades. I say jack it up! Make the millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share!
Yeah those damn unions taking months to build something when a group of mexicans or amish do it in 1/3 the time.How dare they!

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