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#64 Jan 2, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
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No it hasn't. Countries with less guns have less gun violence. Go peddle your crazy right wing BS on the faux news website or curl up with Alex Jones and countdown to when the FEMA camps will round you up.
Criminals will have their guns confiscated when they get arrested or pulled over. Gun companies wouldn't make the guns that would be banned. So they would faze out. Wake up
Some stats that say everything isn't all rainbows and butterflies after gun bans:
Gun-control advocates conveniently ignore the fact that the countries with the highest homicide rates have gun bans, says researcher John R. Lott Jr. The three worst public shootings in the past year all occurred in Europe, which has enacted everything American gun-control proponents favor.
Around the world, from Australia to England, countries that have recently strengthened gun-control laws with the promise of lowering crime have instead seen violent crime soar.
In the four years after the United Kingdom banned handguns in 1996, gun crime rose by an astounding 40 percent.
Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51 percent, unarmed robberies by 37 percent, assaults by 24 percent and kidnappings by 43 percent.
While murders in Australia fell by 3 percent, manslaughter rose by 16 percent.
Finally, he notes, there exists not one single academic study showing that the federal Brady Act, assault-weapons bans, state waiting periods, background checks, one-gun-a-month rules or safe-storage laws reduce violent crime. Some research even finds that these rules increase crime.
Source: John R. Lott Jr.(American Enterprise Institute), "Gun laws don't reduce crime," USA Today, May 9, 2002.
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Possibly an older study, but one I found quickly enough. It says armed robberies rose 51%? But I'll look around possibly USA today is biased.
web site where I found this-> http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php...
Jesus Hussein Christ

Ardsley, NY

#65 Jan 2, 2013
Kelly_Fox wrote:
You're never going to convince a person such as JHC that there SHOULDN'T be gun control. We could all argue until we died & this person won't change their mind.

Let's look at Switzerland. This country has one of the highest gun ownerships of any country in the world, yet their homicide rate by guns is .52% per 100,000 people. In the United States it's 3.2%.

I've been around guns all my life and I've never shot anyone, whether it be by accident or on purpose. If I ever had to I certainly would. If I was put in a situation where I had to defend myself or my family it wouldn't bother me in the least. And fortunately for me I live in KY so if someone came into my home & I WAS forced to defend my home & take the intruder's life it would be ok. I don't know what the law is in WV. At this point I live alone & I don't live in one of the best neighborhoods in Lex. If someone came in here I'd do whatever I had to do to defend myself. I certainly don't want a politician in DC trying to take this away from me.

You can call me all the names you want. It honestly doesn't bother me. I know who I am & what I believe in. I agree that mother didn't make the wisest decisions in the world. And I knew that by bringing it up I'd probably hear some crap about it. But no matter what the situation is I try to see both sides. Even with this, I can see why some people would think that more & stricter gun control legislation is going to help, but as I said before, the criminals are going to get guns one way or the other. I firmly believe that the only way to protect ourselves in by having our own firearms. I don't think that people should go off (no pun intended) half-cocked. And I didn't mean to imply that everyone should have everything their heart desires. As I stated I don't have ANY firearms right now because it's not within my budget at the moment.

Guns aren't something to be feared. Maybe the person holding the gun should be, but then again, that person could be feared without a weapon of any sort.
Would it surprise you that I am a gun owner? I don't think all guns should be banned. I'm just against the assault style weapons. I don't think most responsible gun owners buy them. People who don't respect guns but them and play with them like they are toys. I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep if they were completely banned. I can still hunt without a 30 round clip and I only need one shot to get something to eat.

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#66 Jan 2, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
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Would it surprise you that I am a gun owner? I don't think all guns should be banned. I'm just against the assault style weapons. I don't think most responsible gun owners buy them. People who don't respect guns but them and play with them like they are toys. I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep if they were completely banned. I can still hunt without a 30 round clip and I only need one shot to get something to eat.
I wanted to give Kelly a chance to respond to your post first, as looked as if you were addressing her. It looks as though she may have retired for the night. But I couldn't wait, because I for one was shocked by your little revelation. And I'm also a little bit pissed.

Why? Not only was it because you were rude and condescending in your responses to nearly everyone in this thread, but the fact that you included semi automatics on post #20 of this thread. Which includes a 22 caliber semi automatic rifle with a tube fed magazine. Basically, a squirrel gun. Also unlimited handguns, rifles and shotguns are also semi automatics. And then later, when a certain poster mentioned that you can take a .38 snub nosed revolver and make IT a near semi automatic (if in the right hands) you referred to her as mentally challenged. Oh yea, the "bazooka" remark. Like everything else you blew that out of proportion, instead of concentrating on the entire message that was given.

Now I will agree with one thing you said. Most of us only need the one shot to get something to eat. But to say that you don't think that responsible gun owners buy the assault style weapons, and the ones that do only play with them like they are toys? You are really that damned obtrusive?

I can't speak for everyone on here,only for myself. But IMO you are woefully misinformed. I personally have no record, and my gun purchases have been made with a clean background check. I'm almost positive you get the same story from most of the people in here that you've insulted in one way or the other. It is as I've said before, entirely tragic that these mass shootings occur. Especially when children are the victims. As a parent, I was as saddened and shocked by this as were we all. But to take this incident and to tell ALL of the responsible gun owners of this sort of firearm, that it is not for the good of this nation, and to either give them up or restrict purchases (or both)... is not a logical or reasonable solution. Statistics, as well as history scream this to be true. If you let them take these, it will only weaken our position as the law abiding citizens of this nation. Many do unknowingly benefit from our ownerships. But who is to say when they will decide to stop? Will the next be all the semiautomatics, double action revolvers,single actions or the single shots? You cannot legislate crazy or killings. There will always be a way for the maniacs and murderers that are determined enough.

So...... what exactly DO you have? That's right... it isn't any of my damn business, which is the way it should be. But I have to assume that you only own black powder rifles or single shots, "Jesus Hussein Christ". Because anything else certainly makes you look like a giant hypocrite, from all that I've read on the subject.
Geesh

Addison, NY

#67 Jan 3, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Sigh. It's so hard to argue with stupid.
You're right, I figured this out when trying to argue with you! Your arguments mostly make no sense, your quotes come from obsolete or liberal & biased sources, many of them contradict themselves, many aren't coherent, and all illustrate your lack of intelligence, common sense, and complete lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.

So, the only thing you have been correct about so far is your "Sigh. It's so hard to argue with stupid." comment but you unfortunately directed it at the wrong person. You should have been saying this while looking in a mirror!
lol

Hansford, WV

#68 Jan 3, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said earlier. The guns would be confiscated when these "criminals" get caught with them. That's the thing with "criminals" they get arrested for doing bad things. Then the gun gets confiscated. Also gun companies would be able to sell the banned guns so they wouldn't be able to restock. The guns would be faxed out over time. Are you really this dense?
How can you call anyone dense when you don't even realize that this would create a black market for guns from which people would buy? A black market would be there not only for true criminals, but for others who wouldn't normally purchase a gun in this way. You see, "Jesus," this cute idea is nice and all, but it will only work if the population is behind it. It's not, in case you haven't noticed.

I'm glad you replied with this little gem though, because it gives true insight into why you think the way you do and where your fallacies lie.
Jesus Hussein Christ

Proctorville, OH

#69 Jan 3, 2013
Will Munny wrote:
<quoted text>I wanted to give Kelly a chance to respond to your post first, as looked as if you were addressing her. It looks as though she may have retired for the night. But I couldn't wait, because I for one was shocked by your little revelation. And I'm also a little bit pissed.

Why? Not only was it because you were rude and condescending in your responses to nearly everyone in this thread, but the fact that you included semi automatics on post #20 of this thread. Which includes a 22 caliber semi automatic rifle with a tube fed magazine. Basically, a squirrel gun. Also unlimited handguns, rifles and shotguns are also semi automatics. And then later, when a certain poster mentioned that you can take a .38 snub nosed revolver and make IT a near semi automatic (if in the right hands) you referred to her as mentally challenged. Oh yea, the "bazooka" remark. Like everything else you blew that out of proportion, instead of concentrating on the entire message that was given.

Now I will agree with one thing you said. Most of us only need the one shot to get something to eat. But to say that you don't think that responsible gun owners buy the assault style weapons, and the ones that do only play with them like they are toys? You are really that damned obtrusive?

I can't speak for everyone on here,only for myself. But IMO you are woefully misinformed. I personally have no record, and my gun purchases have been made with a clean background check. I'm almost positive you get the same story from most of the people in here that you've insulted in one way or the other. It is as I've said before, entirely tragic that these mass shootings occur. Especially when children are the victims. As a parent, I was as saddened and shocked by this as were we all. But to take this incident and to tell ALL of the responsible gun owners of this sort of firearm, that it is not for the good of this nation, and to either give them up or restrict purchases (or both)... is not a logical or reasonable solution. Statistics, as well as history scream this to be true. If you let them take these, it will only weaken our position as the law abiding citizens of this nation. Many do unknowingly benefit from our ownerships. But who is to say when they will decide to stop? Will the next be all the semiautomatics, double action revolvers,single actions or the single shots? You cannot legislate crazy or killings. There will always be a way for the maniacs and murderers that are determined enough.

So...... what exactly DO you have? That's right... it isn't any of my damn business, which is the way it should be. But I have to assume that you only own black powder rifles or single shots, "Jesus Hussein Christ". Because anything else certainly makes you look like a giant hypocrite, from all that I've read on the subject.
I have a couple of shotguns and a .22 rifle made in 1902 given to me by my granddad. If you really must know. I'll send you a pic if you need something new to flog your dolphin.

So your point is that since we can't legislate craziness we should just give up and not do anything? It's not possible that lower capacity slower shooting guns in the hands of these psychos could possibly lower they're body counts? Really?
Itsallcrap

United States

#70 Jan 3, 2013
YFNA wrote:
When knife killings equal the gun ones we will talk.
http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-rights/2013/01/...
Itsallcrap

United States

#71 Jan 3, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Would it surprise you that I am a gun owner? I don't think all guns should be banned. I'm just against the assault style weapons. I don't think most responsible gun owners buy them. People who don't respect guns but them and play with them like they are toys. I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep if they were completely banned. I can still hunt without a 30 round clip and I only need one shot to get something to eat.
I don't consider u a gun owner nor a hunter. Just because papaw gave u some guns makes you neither.

PS.- It's not a damn clip
Jesus Hussein Christ

Springfield, NJ

#72 Jan 3, 2013
Itsallcrap wrote:
<quoted text>I don't consider u a gun owner nor a hunter. Just because papaw gave u some guns makes you neither.

PS.- It's not a damn clip
Owning guns doesn't make me a gun owner?

Going hunting for 25 years doesn't make me a hunter?

So you're just really stupid.
Itsallcrap

United States

#73 Jan 3, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Owning guns doesn't make me a gun owner?
Going hunting for 25 years doesn't make me a hunter?
So you're just really stupid.
Ur a poser....
Jesus Hussein Christ

Proctorville, OH

#74 Jan 3, 2013
Itsallcrap wrote:
<quoted text>Ur a poser....
If you take my picture. Yes
Get Real

Richmond, KY

#75 Jan 3, 2013
NRetardsA wrote:
Just another pathetically stupid argument from the gun lovers. It's so hard to argue with the shallow end of the gene pool.
Your right! Since crime and violence no longer exist we should all give up our firearms and live in peace. No civilians or cops should possess any type of firearm in this perfect world that we have now and there is no reason to think that anyone would ever take up arms against us since we would have no way of defending ourselves.
All of the millions of defenseless people who have been murdered in the past is just stuff we read in books that didn't really happen. We live in a society where no one would want to harm or take away the freedoms of such an intelligent society who created such a safe nation by banning alcohol and drugs and weapons and all things that could cause harm to our people.
Our government of such honest and hard working leadership would never want to rob us of our freedoms and our possessions and execute us by the masses the way that has been done in other nations since the beginning of time.
America only needed firearms and soldiers to get us this far and now we can lay down our arms and buy an electric car and live in a world made perfect by corporations and our laws that done away with crime and criminals.
There's YOU some ocean front property and I threw the Golden Gate in free!

“Easy does it... ”

Level 5

Since: Nov 12

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#76 Jan 4, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a couple of shotguns and a .22 rifle made in 1902 given to me by my granddad. If you really must know. I'll send you a pic if you need something new to flog your dolphin.
So your point is that since we can't legislate craziness we should just give up and not do anything? It's not possible that lower capacity slower shooting guns in the hands of these psychos could possibly lower they're body counts? Really?
How do you propose to get all of them off the black market/criminal element? It would be nice if it was that simple.This is one of the reasons people still get shot over in England,because not everyone follows the law. There will always be these types of guns available to the criminals, or anyone willing to deal with them. So telling those of us that don't break the law, that we can't have or purchase one just seems as though it will be a win for the criminals. The well stocked black market arms dealers are probably hoping for a legislation to pass. They will charge their criminal buddies 2 to 4 times what the gun was originally worth.
Jesus Hussein Christ

Springfield, NJ

#77 Jan 4, 2013
Will Munny wrote:
<quoted text>How do you propose to get all of them off the black market/criminal element? It would be nice if it was that simple.This is one of the reasons people still get shot over in England,because not everyone follows the law. There will always be these types of guns available to the criminals, or anyone willing to deal with them. So telling those of us that don't break the law, that we can't have or purchase one just seems as though it will be a win for the criminals. The well stocked black market arms dealers are probably hoping for a legislation to pass. They will charge their criminal buddies 2 to 4 times what the gun was originally worth.
I'm not sure if you know this but guns don't have little baby guns. They don't multiply on their own. If you ban certain types then gun dealers would not sell them. The ones already out there will get old, confiscated when someone's caught with them, or get turned in. It's not an overnight solution.

Don't worry little camper. You'll still be able to have guns. You just won't be able to suit up and pretend you're Rambo. I know it'll be hard for you. Not being able to shoot 100 round in 15 seconds, but you'll live.
Just remember, you're still a tough guy.
Get Real

Milford, MI

#78 Jan 4, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure if you know this but guns don't have little baby guns. They don't multiply on their own. If you ban certain types then gun dealers would not sell them. The ones already out there will get old, confiscated when someone's caught with them, or get turned in. It's not an overnight solution.
Don't worry little camper. You'll still be able to have guns. You just won't be able to suit up and pretend you're Rambo. I know it'll be hard for you. Not being able to shoot 100 round in 15 seconds, but you'll live.
Just remember, you're still a tough guy.
The guy with the biggest gun makes up the rules! Therefore, your opinion doesn't matter! To assume that a choice of gun makes you a nut case is ignorant!
Get Real

Milford, MI

#79 Jan 4, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure if you know this but guns don't have little baby guns. They don't multiply on their own. If you ban certain types then gun dealers would not sell them. The ones already out there will get old, confiscated when someone's caught with them, or get turned in. It's not an overnight solution.
Don't worry little camper. You'll still be able to have guns. You just won't be able to suit up and pretend you're Rambo. I know it'll be hard for you. Not being able to shoot 100 round in 15 seconds, but you'll live.
Just remember, you're still a tough guy.
You really think people are going to let their guns just rust away? You're not a gun owner and you're even worse at making an argument to ban them! You're a troll!
Jesus Hussein Christ

Springfield, NJ

#80 Jan 4, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>The guy with the biggest gun makes up the rules! Therefore, your opinion doesn't matter! To assume that a choice of gun makes you a nut case is ignorant!
Your mom always said my gun was one of the biggest she'd seen. Odd
lol

Hansford, WV

#81 Jan 4, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure if you know this but guns don't have little baby guns. They don't multiply on their own. If you ban certain types then gun dealers would not sell them. The ones already out there will get old, confiscated when someone's caught with them, or get turned in. It's not an overnight solution.
Don't worry little camper. You'll still be able to have guns. You just won't be able to suit up and pretend you're Rambo. I know it'll be hard for you. Not being able to shoot 100 round in 15 seconds, but you'll live.
Just remember, you're still a tough guy.
I have no doubt you wear socks with sandals year round.
Itsallcrap

United States

#82 Jan 4, 2013
Jesus Hussein Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Your mom always said my gun was one of the biggest she'd seen. Odd
Your mom said aids kills more per year than guns so we should ban gayness...
Jesus Hussein Christ

Springfield, NJ

#83 Jan 4, 2013
Itsallcrap wrote:
<quoted text>Your mom said aids kills more per year than guns so we should ban gayness...
It seems you just keep getting dumber. You must've peaked in high school. Whoa Bundy.

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