Good News

Huntington, WV

#26 Dec 25, 2013
wow wrote:
it really doesn`t matter what your opinion is if most christians hate gays. Just saying.
That’s a bit closed minded. Atheists, agnostic, religious all “hate”,“tolerate”, or “accept” different life style choices. No one group holds the monopoly of one or the other.
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Huntington, WV

#27 Dec 25, 2013
wow wrote:
And i think you do a good job of seperating labels from actions. But isn`t "wanting to" and "preference" the same thing. Isnt that justsaying gays are sinning just because they are gay?
Do heterosexuals sin just because they identify themselves as heterosexual? No.
And I never suggested having a preference is wrong. Even if it is wrong (so to speak).
"DWELLING" on lust and having a brief moment of weakness is two different things. "DWELLING" on lust and having a preference is two different things.
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Huntington, WV

#28 Dec 25, 2013
wow wrote:
Also you ignore that the bible calls for the death of gays. Either they should or shouldnt be put to death. Which is right?
Adultery is also a sin, punishable by death according to Mosaic Law.
Pharisees brought an adulterer caught in the act before Jesus.
John 8:5
"Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned, but what sayest you?"
I suggest you read these verses. If I am explaining that adultery and homosexuality is both a sin, how is one greater or less than the other?
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Huntington, WV

#29 Dec 25, 2013
wow wrote:
And is straiht couples who have oral and anal sex the exact same thing as gay couples? Sodomy is sodomy. Isnt that hypocrisy?
Hebrews 13:4
"Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."
Lust is not a sin no more than money is a sin. It's" the love of" money that is a sin. It's dwelling on lust that is a sin. Just as eating food or relaxing is not a sin, but total gluttony and slothful laziness is.
Many have never taken the time to understand exactly what the Bible says. In context of an honorable marriage, no sodomy is not a sin. Lust is a by-product of the human condition no different than hunger.
Notice how whoremongers and adulterers are tied into the same subject as marriage and honor in that single verse. It's the exact same lust but the difference is a honorable marriage in the eyes of the Lord.
God intended sexual encounters and sexual desire be apart of humanity. It's a gift of free will as well. Of course there are groups who will argue sodomy is a sin even in the subject of a honorable marriage. I totally disagree with them based on the context of what the Bible says a marriage is and should be, and the relationship a Christian should have and respect.
wow

United States

#30 Dec 25, 2013
I still don`t understand how you ignore the fact that something that is punishable by death in genises and later forgivable isn`t changing your mind? If one god wrote both it should be consestant.
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Huntington, WV

#31 Dec 25, 2013
wow wrote:
I still don`t understand how you ignore the fact that something that is punishable by death in genises and later forgivable isn`t changing your mind? If one god wrote both it should be consestant.
I'm honestly at a lost for words on how I further explain the simple concept of a covenant in the English language. A covenant, meaning a treaty, an agreement, a policy, a pact, a pledge, a compromise, a commitment, how ever you want to look at it, is between two or more people. Old covenant. Old agreement. New Covenant. New agreement.
God made a covenant (agreement) with Moses for the Israelites and their way of living and worshiping.
God made a covenant (agreement) thru Jesus for everyone who accepts salvation and repents their sins.
The Old covenant (the old agreement) was with Moses pertaining to the Israelites.
The New covenant (the new agreement) is thru Jesus pertaining to everyone else as well.
These are two different agreements for two different people concerning two different subjects spanning two different eras in history with the same God.
Breaking the speed limit is a crime. Speeding on a highway is different from speeding in a rural community. The fines are different depending on the severity of the offense. The law doesn't change it's mind on the subject of speeding. Now take the example of speeding laws separated by 40 yrs. State Police are not so forgiving on offenses. Getting pulled over at the local malt shop by your uncle who's the town deputy is more forgiving. He says "I'll take care of this if you promise not to speed again" That's exactly what happened to Mary the adulterer.
I'm sure if when Jesus told Mary "Go and sin no more" after saving her from the mob, and she committed adultery again that night it wouldn't have gone down so passively.
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THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Barboursville, WV

#33 Dec 28, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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Circles.
If you were'nt stuck as the pivot man in that CIRCLE jerk you might be able to discern something.LOL

Level 4

Since: Dec 12

Huntington, WV

#34 Dec 28, 2013
If you believe in the bible and god then you have to believe god created gays and loves them.....
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Z-phod

Pooler, GA

#36 Dec 29, 2013
When I bang _-zaphod-_'s mom, she always tells me she is in heaven. If _-zaphod-_'s mom says she is in heaven, there must be a heaven. If _-zaphod-_'s mom says there IS a heaven it MUST be true.
Silent Majority

Stafford, VA

#37 Dec 29, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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Again you talk in circles.
Lmao...you just simply dont understand because youre, quite frankly, just not that intelligent..you think you know the answer to things men have been contemplating for millenia, youre a joke.......its not your fault tho, arrogance is a liberal thing.....

This person speaking on the bible is very articulate and extremly knowledgable. I understand her perfectly, but you seem to be having difficulty....She's talking in circles all right...around you.
Silent Majority

Stafford, VA

#38 Dec 29, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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How do you discern what this double talker is saying? Translate it for us, genius.
Lmao...double talking...clearly.

How come the rest of us understand just fine?
Silent Majority

Stafford, VA

#39 Dec 29, 2013
Murphy wrote:
If your gonna be a Christian then you should follow the Old Testament since that was gods law. New Testament is just mans edited version to fit the newer lifestyle of the time.
Rtflmao....the books of the Bible are arranged according to subject matter. The new testament was actually written before the "old" testament. The "new testament" isnt a "edited version to fit a new lifestyle"....lmao...its not "part 2" you fool.

Youre obvioulsy totally ignorant of the Bible and you have no business debating the Bible with anybody on any forum at any time...

Topix tards attempting to debate the Bible....lmmfao...What a freakin' joke.

Zaphod..."slow down youre talking in circles"....lmao.
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THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Barboursville, WV

#41 Dec 29, 2013
nohalgerg wrote:
If you believe in the bible and god then you have to believe god created gays and loves them.....
We've been through this before.How many times does it have to be posted before you get it.
God loves his sinners but hates the sin.It will not or cannot be in his presence in heaven.Therefore it will be irradicated either through salvation or consumption.
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Barboursville, WV

#42 Dec 29, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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How do you discern what this double talker is saying? Translate it for us, genius.
Lets try something different.Find something on IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY
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Huntington, WV

#43 Dec 29, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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Circles.
God made an agreement with Moses for the Israelites.

That’s only one sentence less than ten words my friend.

In short, try to remember God, agreement, Moses, Israelites.
I don’t want to overload your comprehension skills in one shot. Feel free to lie down and drink some water if you feel over heated and flushed with philosophical quandaries and puzzles that seem like Japanese calculus.

However if you’re not suffering from a nose bleed try to understand what an agreement is. At this point the details don’t matter. Just make up your own details and we’ll nod our head and go with it. Pretend they’re talking about chores and curfews or how to order pizza for multiple people… or something. We can discuss the details once you mastered the concept that God made an agreement with Moses for the Israelites.
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Huntington, WV

#44 Dec 29, 2013
nohalgerg wrote:
If you believe in the bible and god then you have to believe god created gays and loves them.....
Nohalgerg, is that how it works? Do I get to tell you what you have to believe in since you get to tell us what we believe int?

Certainly I believe God loves all. I also believe not all loves God.

But specifically readdressing the subject and specifically your post, God loves an individual, the individual has sex. There are two elements you are defining as one, the individual and the act.

God loves an individual; the individual does crack cocaine and robs liquor stores to buy prostitutes. If you have a child, that smokes crack, robs, and buys prostitutes, than clearly you are saying that the parent loves crack, robbing, and prostitutes.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Barboursville, WV

#45 Dec 29, 2013
Good News wrote:
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God made an agreement with Moses for the Israelites.
That’s only one sentence less than ten words my friend.
In short, try to remember God, agreement, Moses, Israelites.
I don’t want to overload your comprehension skills in one shot. Feel free to lie down and drink some water if you feel over heated and flushed with philosophical quandaries and puzzles that seem like Japanese calculus.
However if you’re not suffering from a nose bleed try to understand what an agreement is. At this point the details don’t matter. Just make up your own details and we’ll nod our head and go with it. Pretend they’re talking about chores and curfews or how to order pizza for multiple people… or something. We can discuss the details once you mastered the concept that God made an agreement with Moses for the Israelites.
And God never breaks a covenant no matter how often mankind doesnt live up to Gods expectations.
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Level 4

Since: Dec 12

Huntington, WV

#47 Dec 29, 2013
Good News wrote:
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Nohalgerg, is that how it works? Do I get to tell you what you have to believe in since you get to tell us what we believe int?
Certainly I believe God loves all. I also believe not all loves God.
But specifically readdressing the subject and specifically your post, God loves an individual, the individual has sex. There are two elements you are defining as one, the individual and the act.
God loves an individual; the individual does crack cocaine and robs liquor stores to buy prostitutes. If you have a child, that smokes crack, robs, and buys prostitutes, than clearly you are saying that the parent loves crack, robbing, and prostitutes.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
I didn't tell anyone to do anything. IF you believe in god AND the bible than you MUST believe that god CREATED the universe. Thats sort of one of the basic dogmatic mandates of that religion. If you want to get real technical about it, premarital sex is a sin, and in catholicism, sex is strictly for procreation, to that end, catholicism teaches we are all born of original sin, so sinners are we, from the womb. The only ACT I see is love. Comparing that act to stealing, as you have, is ridiculous.
I hope you are not of those who thinks gay is a choice. They are born that way, i.e. CREATED that way and have been around since the beginning of time. PERIOD. In fact, a person who engages in ( THE ACT) sex WITH the same sex is not necessarily gay.
I am of the OPINION, that if there is a god and we have to stand before him, IM sure one of the things he ( it or she) is not very interested in, is who we scraped genitals with unless that is a child, dead person, or animal. By comparison, Im sure God will be more interested in if we killed or hurt others, and let fear ( in all its forms: the 7 deadly sins for example) dictate the way we had led our lives.

Level 4

Since: Dec 12

Huntington, WV

#48 Dec 30, 2013
THE LAST WARRIOR POET wrote:
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We've been through this before.How many times does it have to be posted before you get it.
God loves his sinners but hates the sin.It will not or cannot be in his presence in heaven.Therefore it will be irradicated either through salvation or consumption.
If god created the universe and man resides in that universe, then god created sin as well. Man would have had no idea killing, for example, was a sin until it got listed as one in the bible. Killing, like homosexuality, existed LONG before the bible.....
Silent Majority

Stafford, VA

#49 Dec 30, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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You want to cite a source on that one professor?
A source on what, your apelike ignorance?

If i was you i would just drop it topix tard...Your just about ready to make a complete jackass of yourself...again

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