Silent Majority

Brooklyn, NY

#122 Nov 18, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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Calling you stupid is just stating a fact.
And this plan was your guys to begin with. The heritage foundation came up with it to avoid going single payer which would be a lot simpler.
Oh the humanity.
Wrong...again

Nevertheless, the myth persists. ObamaCare "adopts the 'individual mandate' concept from the conservative Heritage Foundation," Jonathan Alter wrote recently in The Washington Post. MSNBC's Chris Matthews makes the same claim, asserting that Republican support of a mandate "has its roots in a proposal by the conservative Heritage Foundation." Former House speaker Nancy Pelosi and others have made similar claims.
The confusion arises from the fact that 20 years ago, I held the view that as a technical matter, some form of requirement to purchase insurance was needed in a near-universal insurance market to avoid massive instability through "adverse selection" (insurers avoiding bad risks and healthy people declining coverage). At that time, President Clinton was proposing a universal health care plan, and Heritage and I devised a viable alternative.
My view was shared at the time by many conservative experts, including American Enterprise Institute (AEI) scholars, as well as most non-conservative analysts. Even libertarian-conservative icon Milton Friedman, in a 1991 Wall Street Journal article, advocated replacing Medicare and Medicaid "with a requirement that every U.S. family unit have a major medical insurance policy."
My idea was hardly new. Heritage did not invent the individual mandate.
But the version of the health insurance mandate Heritage and I supported in the 1990s had three critical features. First, it was not primarily intended to push people to obtain protection for their own good, but to protect others. Like auto damage liability insurance required in most states, our requirement focused on "catastrophic" costs — so hospitals and taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for the expensive illness or accident of someone who did not buy insurance.
Second, we sought to induce people to buy coverage primarily through the carrot of a generous health credit or voucher, financed in part by a fundamental reform of the tax treatment of health coverage, rather than by a stick.
And third, in the legislation we helped craft that ultimately became a preferred alternative to ClintonCare, the "mandate" was actually the loss of certain tax breaks for those not choosing to buy coverage, not a legal requirement.
So why the change in this position in the past 20 years?
First, health research and advances in economic analysis have convinced people like me that an insurance mandate isn't needed to achieve stable, near-universal coverage. For example, the new field of behavioral economics taught me that default auto-enrollment in employer or nonemployer insurance plans can lead many people to buy coverage without a requirement.
Also, advances in "risk adjustment" tools are improving the stability of voluntary insurance. And Heritage-funded research on federal employees' coverage — which has no mandate — caused me to conclude we had made a mistake in the 1990s. That's why we believe that President Obama and others are dead wrong about the need for a mandate.
Additionally, the meaning of the individual mandate we are said to have "invented" has changed over time. Today it means the government makes people buy comprehensive benefits for their own good, rather than our original emphasis on protecting society from the heavy medical costs of free riders.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/f...
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Dr faggott

Huntington, WV

#124 Nov 18, 2013
Love how before you libtards took credit for it until it imploded. Now you want to say it was adopted from conservatives.
Silent Majority

Brooklyn, NY

#125 Nov 18, 2013
Dr faggott wrote:
Love how before you libtards took credit for it until it imploded. Now you want to say it was adopted from conservatives.
Lmao...excellent observation.
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Silent Majority

Brooklyn, NY

#127 Nov 18, 2013
Gosh wrote:
How has the current healthcare system been destroyed?
The government is NOT removing healthcare from the private sector.
Liberalism on display...

UPDATE: HHS has released the official numbers here. The HHS report states that only 26,794 people enrolled in the federal exchange—which amounts to 23 per state per day—and 79,391 enrolled in the state-based exchanges, for a total of 106,185.
In the market for individually-purchased health insurance, more than 4.8 million Americans have received notices that their preexisting plans are soon to be illegal, and will be cancelled. Many more cancellation notices are imminent. But yesterday, the Wall Street Journal obtained information regarding the number of people who have signed up for new private health coverage under Obamacare:“40,000 to 50,000” for the federal exchange, and 49,000 for 12 of the 14 state-based exchanges.

So, for every 100,000 signees, 5 million plans get cancelled...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/201...
Silent Majority

Brooklyn, NY

#128 Nov 18, 2013
Lol.. Msnbc host pissed off to learn his insurance skyrocketed under obamascare...well duh.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/08/th...
Dr faggott

Alexandria, VA

#129 Nov 19, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
<quoted text>We still take credit for getting it passed moron. Just pointing out that you guys didn't have a problem with it until Obama's name was attached to it.

If you're saying liberals would rather have this system over a single payer you're either dishonest or horribly stupid. Which is it?
Pointless arguing with yet another brainless tard. You have a dumbasss response for everything don't u
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Silent majority

Alexandria, VA

#132 Nov 20, 2013
This is what happens when liberals and the zaphods of the world are in charge...

$700 million dollars already spent(or stolen) on a webpage that doesnt even operate and now we find out that 70% of the webpage hasnt even been contructed yet. Wheres all that money? Since we found out that it was michelle's college buddy who got the gig, one can only imagine where the money trail leads....

"A large portion of the error-riddled, multimillion dollar federal health insurance exchange system has not even been built yet, according to a senior official involved in the construction of the website."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/19/ob...

God help us if these fools succeed in taking over the medical community and 1/6th of our economy...

Can you imagine having to answer to "a zaphod" whenever you needed a medical procedure?
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Ben

Huntington, WV

#134 Nov 20, 2013
Silent majority wrote:
This is what happens when liberals and the zaphods of the world are in charge...
$700 million dollars already spent(or stolen) on a webpage that doesnt even operate and now we find out that 70% of the webpage hasnt even been contructed yet. Wheres all that money? Since we found out that it was michelle's college buddy who got the gig, one can only imagine where the money trail leads....
"A large portion of the error-riddled, multimillion dollar federal health insurance exchange system has not even been built yet, according to a senior official involved in the construction of the website."
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/19/ob...
God help us if these fools succeed in taking over the medical community and 1/6th of our economy...
Can you imagine having to answer to "a zaphod" whenever you needed a medical procedure?
Stop linking to The Blaze as if it's a credible news source. Nobody with sense believes anything Glenn Beck and his minions spew.

Especially after this psycho rant...

http://youtu.be/iPXYWhZlj0g
Silent majority

Alexandria, VA

#135 Nov 21, 2013
Ben wrote:
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Stop linking to The Blaze as if it's a credible news source. Nobody with sense believes anything Glenn Beck and his minions spew.
http://youtu.be/iPXYWhZlj0g
Thats it? thats your big rebuttal?

So the video of Deputy chief medicare information officer Henry Chao admitting it under oath in front of congress is a made up hoax video?
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Ben

Huntington, WV

#137 Nov 21, 2013
Silent majority wrote:
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Thats it? thats your big rebuttal?
So the video of Deputy chief medicare information officer Henry Chao admitting it under oath in front of congress is a made up hoax video?
Is that anything remotely similar to what I said? No, I'm calling out The Blaze for trying to pass as a legit news source. Not only has the $700 million lie been debunked, but headlines like OBAMACARE OFFICIAL ADMITS SOMETHING SO INCREDIBLE YOU’LL WONDER WHY YOU’RE JUST NOW HEARING ABOUT IT are too ridiculous to be real. Sensationalist nonsense is all it is.
Silent majority

Alexandria, VA

#138 Nov 21, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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No one admitted anything about 700 million being spent. It didn't happen. You're woefully behind on this being debunked moron. Like I said before even Fox News has admitted that isn't any where near a correct number.
Why do you feel the need I constantly lie to bolster your argument?
Im not talking about the money you dunce..weve moved on to another topic dunce...im talking about the webpage not being completed you friggin dunce.
Ben

Huntington, WV

#139 Nov 21, 2013
Silent majority wrote:
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Im not talking about the money you dunce..weve moved on to another topic dunce...im talking about the webpage not being completed you friggin dunce.
Apparently you're the dunce because you forgot the first paragraph of your post just 6 posts back:

$700 million dollars already spent(or stolen) on a webpage that doesnt even operate and now we find out that 70% of the webpage hasnt even been contructed yet. Wheres all that money? Since we found out that it was michelle's college buddy who got the gig, one can only imagine where the money trail leads....

But yeah, keep changing the subject as your talking points erode.
Silent majority

Alexandria, VA

#140 Nov 21, 2013
Ben wrote:
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Is that anything remotely similar to what I said? No, I'm calling out The Blaze for trying to pass as a legit news source. Not only has the $700 million lie been debunked, but headlines like OBAMACARE OFFICIAL ADMITS SOMETHING SO INCREDIBLE YOU’LL WONDER WHY YOU’RE JUST NOW HEARING ABOUT IT are too ridiculous to be real. Sensationalist nonsense is all it is.
Hey you low information msnbc liberal dunce, yelling does not make you correct...

The article is about the webpage being 70% uncompleted you dunce, not the 600 million...

Go ahead and try to debunk the cost you liberal dunce..

But thats gonna be kinda hard considering I got my info from usaspending.gov ...

Heres the governments own webpage stating the exact figure as $515,000,000 dunce...

http://usaspending.gov/explore...
Silent majority

Alexandria, VA

#141 Nov 21, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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No one admitted anything about 700 million being spent. It didn't happen. You're woefully behind on this being debunked moron.
Pay attention lackwitl....I didnt say the video showed him talking about the cost. I said the video showed the guy in charge of everything admitting that 70% of the webpage hasnt even been started yet you stupid ass liberal...go back to squirtsville.
Silent majority

Alexandria, VA

#142 Nov 21, 2013
Ben wrote:
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Apparently you're the dunce because you forgot the first paragraph of your post just 6 posts back:
.
The key phrase is "6 posts back"...

Im talking about webpage construction now. Keep up
Ben

Huntington, WV

#143 Nov 21, 2013
Silent majority wrote:
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The key phrase is "6 posts back"...
Im talking about webpage construction now. Keep up
Yeah your only post between that one 6 posts back and before i corrected you was a post incorrectly focusing on my rebuttal. But keep dreaming bro.

Also this...

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/blog/2013/10/2...
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Ben

Huntington, WV

#145 Nov 21, 2013
_-zaphod-_ wrote:
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Ok douchebag.
You refuse to ever admit being wrong and when confronted with copy and pasting debunked nonsense you claim to be talking about something else.
I guess this is your idea of "winning"
Sad
That's American conservatism hard at work.
You are a liar

Columbus, OH

#146 Nov 21, 2013
Silent majority wrote:
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Hey you low information msnbc liberal dunce, yelling does not make you correct...
The article is about the webpage being 70% uncompleted you dunce, not the 600 million...
Go ahead and try to debunk the cost you liberal dunce..
But thats gonna be kinda hard considering I got my info from usaspending.gov ...
Heres the governments own webpage stating the exact figure as $515,000,000 dunce...
http://usaspending.gov/explore...
That isn't the figure for the website.
Do you have to resort to trickery or can you actually back up any of your claims?

As one of your "dunces" posted earlier even Fox News doesn't support you claims:

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/10/11/just-h...

Does that make you the dunce now?
Silent majority

Alexandria, VA

#147 Nov 22, 2013
You are a liar wrote:
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That isn't the figure for the website.
Do you have to resort to trickery or can you actually back up any of your claims?
As one of your "dunces" posted earlier even Fox News doesn't support you claims:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/10/11/just-h...
Does that make you the dunce now?
Lol...yea its all "trickery"...look maam, i dont listen to mainstream media especially fox...,i look up government records instead.

but since you rely on fox news, this is what your fox news says in that article,

"“We, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock,” writer Andrew Couts charged, complaining that “Healthcare.gov has shutdown, crapped out, stalled, and mis-loaded so consistently that its track record for failure is challenged only by Congress.”

But officials tell FoxNews.com that the contract figures cited by Digital Trends dated all the way back to 2008, well before the Affordable Care Act was passed, and included other CGI Federal projects not even associated with the new Obamacare exchange.

Digital Trends has since revised its numbers down, >>>>>>>se ttling on an estimate of $500 million,<<<<< <<<< taking into account a figure of $398 million in obligated contracts for building the website and the entire technology portion of the FFE – which includes everything from the massive data hub, call centers, network security, training and support, financial management systems and all other information technology services that support the new online and offline marketplace, as reported by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) in June."

I too also checked the govt accountability office....page 35.....400 million minus salaries and administrative costs....

"CMS data indicated that the agency spent almost $394 million from fiscal year 2010 through March 31, 2013, through contracts46 to complete activities to establish the FFEs and the data hub and carry out certain other exchange-related activities.47 CMS officials said that these totals did not include CMS salaries and other administrative costs, but rather reflected the amounts obligated for contract activities. The majority of these obligations, about $248 million (63 percent), were incurred in fiscal year 2012. The sources of the $394 million in funding were three appropriation accounts: HHS’s General Departmental Management Account, CMS’s Program Management Account, and the Health Insurance Reform Implementation Fund. The majority of the funding came from the CMS Program Management Account (66 percent) followed by the Health Insurance Reform Implementation Fund (28 percent).(See fig. 5.)

http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/655291.pdf#page...
hillbilly

Kenova, WV

#148 Nov 22, 2013
Every body might as well shut up ,Because it is going to work.Anybody with any brains knows the insurance companys are tied in with housing market ,People with high medical bills lose homes ,SO HHO IS MAKING THE MONEY THERE?

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