Cabell county schools and balanced ca...

Cabell county schools and balanced calendar

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blessed

Proctorville, OH

#1 Jan 15, 2013
Cabell county schools expect everyone to just re-arrange their lives because of this idea!
i know

Williamstown, WV

#2 Jan 15, 2013
blessed wrote:
Cabell county schools expect everyone to just re-arrange their lives because of this idea!
I think it's wrong they don't consider asking parents how they feel about taking away our kids summer!!
mee

United States

#3 Jan 15, 2013
I think its great idea Florida been doing it and it works out great
mom

Vinton, VA

#4 Jan 15, 2013
mee wrote:
I think its great idea Florida been doing it and it works out great


Yeah I think its probably great for Florida, California and other states that have nice to great weather the majority of the year. The kids here only have a brief little window to enjoy weather like that. Plus for the patents that have to work its going to be utter chaos.
joobag

Chesapeake, OH

#5 Jan 15, 2013
Never mind that study upon study shows a year round school year leads to better educated children. You'd think you people would care about your children's education instead of how much fun they miss out on not muddin up a holler somewhere in July. Bravo horrible parents.

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Since: Jun 11

Earth

#6 Jan 15, 2013
joobag wrote:
Never mind that study upon study shows a year round school year leads to better educated children. You'd think you people would care about your children's education instead of how much fun they miss out on not muddin up a holler somewhere in July. Bravo horrible parents.
While you're correct about studies showing increased learning there have also been studies that show the adversity that can come a child's way by year round school which include: students forgetting large amounts of information learned in the past year aka Summer learning loss. Children were overstimulated in a system which required 48 weeks of schooling. Over-schooling has lead to nervous disorders, depression, and insanity. Children need the 2–3 months off to relax and also to take a break from other childhood stresses associated with school such as peer pressure, cliques, bullying, and the pressure of heavy loads of schoolwork and homework.

Youd think you would care about your childs well being and mot just what you are cramming into their brain year around. It's not all about "muddin up a holler somewhere in July". Bravo you F-ing genius.
mom

Vinton, VA

#7 Jan 15, 2013
Mr_Awesome wrote:
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While you're correct about studies showing increased learning there have also been studies that show the adversity that can come a child's way by year round school which include: students forgetting large amounts of information learned in the past year aka Summer learning loss. Children were overstimulated in a system which required 48 weeks of schooling. Over-schooling has lead to nervous disorders, depression, and insanity. Children need the 2–3 months off to relax and also to take a break from other childhood stresses associated with school such as peer pressure, cliques, bullying, and the pressure of heavy loads of schoolwork and homework.
Youd think you would care about your childs well being and mot just what you lare cramming into their brain year around. It's not all about "muddin up a holler somewhere in July". Bravo you F-ing genius.
Bravo is correct. If u look hard enough u can find pros and cons to everything. I think about my kids first in every aspect of my life every single day. This is a very complicated calendar they have put out there. Unnecessary. There will be a lot of confusion. Some kids visit their other parent out of state over the summer. Now it will be 2 weeks there then back then 4 weeks there then back again. Not to mention Bible schools, church camps or any kind of camps for that matter that can only be done over the summer. Swim lessons. The list goes on. How will they do sports for the middle and high school kids. They just pause the season for 4 or 5 weeks and then resume and miss all those weeks of practice and games. Some kids rely on that to get a scholarship for college.???? So no Mr. Awesome I'm not thinking of just myself nor will we just be muddn up a holler. These are real concerns that I haven't seen any answers for yet.
mom

Vinton, VA

#8 Jan 15, 2013
mom wrote:
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Bravo is correct. If u look hard enough u can find pros and cons to everything. I think about my kids first in every aspect of my life every single day. This is a very complicated calendar they have put out there. Unnecessary. There will be a lot of confusion. Some kids visit their other parent out of state over the summer. Now it will be 2 weeks there then back then 4 weeks there then back
again. Not to mention Bible schools, church
camps or any kind of camps for that matter that can only be done over the summer. Swim lessons. The list goes on. How will they do sports for the middle and high school kids. They just pause the season for 4 or 5 weeks and then resume and miss all those weeks of practice and games. Some kids rely on that to get a scholarship for college.???? So no Mr. Awesome I'm not thinking of just myself nor will we just be muddn up a holler. These are real concerns that I haven't seen any answers for yet.
Sorry this response was for joobag
2nd Amendment

United States

#9 Jan 15, 2013
Summer break is very important to kids. It is the highlight of their year and provides valuable social time, family time, some kids get jobs and earn money. The kids do not need year around indoctrination from the gov.
mom

Vinton, VA

#10 Jan 16, 2013
2nd Amendment wrote:
Summer break is very important to kids. It is the highlight of their year and provides valuable social time, family time, some kids get jobs and earn money. The kids do not need year around indoctrination from the gov.
Nope they'll have enough of that when they are grown. Let them be kids. It goes by too fast anyway.
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Do_Not_Buy_The_L ies

Tilton, NH

#12 Jan 16, 2013
Studies also said consolidation was a great thing for our sutdents but......

Since 1990, West Virginia has closed well over 300 schools. Among the results, "Closing Costs" reports the following:

COSTS
The state has spent more than $1 billion on school consolidation.
School Building Authority Executive Director, Clacy Williams, acknowledged in September 2002 that school closings didn't save taxpayers money.
West Virginia counties statewide spend a higher percentage of their budgets on maintenance and utilities now than they did five years ago, despite consolidation.
The number of local administrators has increased by 16% in the last 10 years despite a 13% decrease in student enrollment (41,000 fewer students) and closing of over 300 schools.
The number of state-level administrators increased and their salaries nearly doubled between 1990 and 2002.
West Virginia spends more of its education dollar on transportation than any other state; rising transportation costs have forced counties to slash funding from classrooms, offices, and cafeterias.

BUSES
Elementary bus ride times are longest in counties with only one high school.
The number of children who ride buses more than two hours a day doubled between 1992 (3908 students) and 1996 (7938 students), even though 25,000 fewer children rode buses. Seventy more schools have been closed since 1996.
20,000 elementary students, 11,000 middle school students and 5000 high school students take one-way bus rides longer than state guidelines of 30 minutes for elementary, 45 minutes for middle, and 60 minutes for high school. By comparison, the average American adult commute is 26 minutes.
Referring to state guidelines for student bus rides, State Transportation Director Wayne Clutter said, "The times are too idealistic. It gives people false hope."
To save costs, West Virginia now retires buses after 12 years instead of 10.

STUDENT WELL-BEING
Students (and adults) interviewed for the series report that students are stressed and exhausted. Their grades slump. They participate in fewer after school activities. They have less time to spend with their parents.
A Yale University study found that diesel bus fumes may be to blame for the dramatic rise in childhood asthma in the U.S. Students who ride buses breathe five to 15 times more particulate soot than children playing outside.

ACADEMICS
School officials promised advanced courses, but many courses never materialized or were soon eliminated. In several counties, consolidated high schools offer fewer courses than the small schools offered prior to consolidation.
The reporters studied documents in 10 sample rural counties and found that 100 advanced classes promised through consolidation had not been offered in the previous two years.
Many counties dropped Advanced Placement and foreign language classes several years after consolidation.
The statewide increase in students taking Advanced Placement classes rose only 0.5% in the last six years, and fewer than half of students who took AP exams last year passed them compared with 56% who took them in 1997.

OTHER FINDINGS
The state has shredded most of its documents pertaining to the 300 school closures since 1990.
In Pendleton County, a total of $10 million in renovations and new construction was spent to close Circleville School. Students were bused over a 4,000 foot mountain to school in Franklin, the county seat. Meanwhile, Circleville residents renovated the old Circleville School as a community center for just $200,000.
Twenty-five new courses were promised for the consolidated high school in Franklin, but only one, drama, has been offered. No Advanced Placement courses are offered, despite promises to offer five.
Several Circleville students riding to school in Franklin were seriously injured in January 2002, when a tractor-trailer truck forced the bus off a mountain road.
mommy knows best

Hurricane, WV

#13 Jan 16, 2013
We get mislead by the BOE all the time and have for years.

http://www.ruraledu.org/articles.php...

http://educationnorthwest.org/news/1119

The "BOE" doe NOT know what is best for our children.

Vote the current members out next election. Easy fix.
Ex residents

Buffalo, NY

#14 Jan 16, 2013
Do_Not_Buy_The_Lies wrote:
Studies also said consolidation was a great thing for our sutdents but......
Since 1990, West Virginia has closed well over 300 schools. Among the results, "Closing Costs" reports the following:
COSTS
The state has spent more than $1 billion on school consolidation.
School Building Authority Executive Director, Clacy Williams, acknowledged in September 2002 that school closings didn't save taxpayers money.
West Virginia counties statewide spend a higher percentage of their budgets on maintenance and utilities now than they did five years ago, despite consolidation.
The number of local administrators has increased by 16% in the last 10 years despite a 13% decrease in student enrollment (41,000 fewer students) and closing of over 300 schools.
The number of state-level administrators increased and their salaries nearly doubled between 1990 and 2002.
West Virginia spends more of its education dollar on transportation than any other state; rising transportation costs have forced counties to slash funding from classrooms, offices, and cafeterias.
BUSES
Elementary bus ride times are longest in counties with only one high school.
The number of children who ride buses more than two hours a day doubled between 1992 (3908 students) and 1996 (7938 students), even though 25,000 fewer children rode buses. Seventy more schools have been closed since 1996.
20,000 elementary students, 11,000 middle school students and 5000 high school students take one-way bus rides longer than state guidelines of 30 minutes for elementary, 45 minutes for middle, and 60 minutes for high school. By comparison, the average American adult commute is 26 minutes.
Referring to state guidelines for student bus rides, State Transportation Director Wayne Clutter said, "The times are too idealistic. It gives people false hope."
To save costs, West Virginia now retires buses after 12 years instead of 10.
STUDENT WELL-BEING
Students (and adults) interviewed for the series report that students are stressed and exhausted. Their grades slump. They participate in fewer after school activities. They have less time to spend with their parents.
A Yale University study found that diesel bus fumes may be to blame for the dramatic rise in childhood asthma in the U.S. Students who ride buses breathe five to 15 times more particulate soot than children playing outside.
ACADEMICS
School officials promised advanced courses, but many courses never materialized or were soon eliminated. In several counties, consolidated high schools offer fewer courses than the small schools offered prior to consolidation.
The reporters studied documents in 10 sample rural counties and found that 100 advanced classes promised through consolidation had not been offered in the previous two years.
Many counties dropped Advanced Placement and foreign language classes several years after consolidation.
The statewide increase in students taking Advanced Placement classes rose only 0.5% in the last six years, and fewer than half of students who took AP exams last year passed them compared with 56% who took them in 1997.
OTHER FINDINGS
The state has shredded most of its documents pertaining to the 300 school closures since 1990.
In Pendleton County, a total of $10 million in renovations and new construction was spent to close Circleville School. Students were bused over a 4,000 foot mountain to school in Franklin, the county seat. Meanwhile, Circleville residents renovated the old Circleville School as a community center for just $200,000.
Twenty-five new courses were promised for the consolidated high school in Franklin, but only one, drama, has been offered. No Advanced Placement courses are offered, despite promises to offer five.
Several Circleville students riding to school in Franklin were seriously injured in January 2002, when a tractor-trailer truck forced the bus off a mountain road.
Scary stuff.
mommy knows best

Hurricane, WV

#15 Jan 16, 2013
Do_Not_Buy_The_Lies wrote:
The state has shredded most of its documents pertaining to the 300 school closures since 1990.
They do not need to keep documents because we should just accept their word that they know best lol.
Dad in the US

New York, NY

#16 Jan 16, 2013
It does not help with academics at all. It is always about money, not helping students. This needs to change.

When they combined barboursville and milton, did scores or graduation rates go up - NO, they have been on a steady decline. There is less student / teacher interaction. Same for the 2 schools in huntington when they combined them.

I do not trust the board as far as I could throw them. Sick of their falsehoods.

“dolla dolla bill y'all”

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Since: Jul 12

the burg

#17 Jan 16, 2013
this does nothing but benefit lazy union teachers. public education does nothing but teach the test & they still fail. summer break has nothing to do with a learning loss. remember when after u ate lunch u could go outside and walk, flirt in the hallways, play basketball in the gym. not anymore. after lunch in every middle school they sit and t.v. or a movie in the lunchroom. then they bitch about kids being fat. teachers to damn lazy to walk around outside to look over kids
Believer

Chesapeake, OH

#18 Jan 16, 2013
@mee Florida has gone back to the traditional calendar as has California. Parents need to let the elected members of the BOE know their feelings. The BOE has already said this IS going to happen starting on 2014.
question

Huntington, WV

#19 Jan 16, 2013
Believer wrote:
@mee Florida has gone back to the traditional calendar as has California. Parents need to let the elected members of the BOE know their feelings. The BOE has already said this IS going to happen starting on 2014.
Are you sure the board said it IS goiong to happen? I thought it was just in the discussion phase.

If they are doing this without input from parents then it is time to fix it at the polls! Out with the current members.
pams friend

Chesapeake, OH

#20 Jan 16, 2013
There are going to be public meetings at every middle school for input from all interested parties and to give out information. Check the paper for dates and times.
2nd Amendment

Daniels, WV

#21 Jan 16, 2013
Dad in the US wrote:
It does not help with academics at all. It is always about money, not helping students. This needs to change.

When they combined barboursville and milton, did scores or graduation rates go up - NO, they have been on a steady decline. There is less student / teacher interaction. Same for the 2 schools in huntington when they combined them.

I do not trust the board as far as I could throw them. Sick of their falsehoods.
The reasons for school consolidation, her is a video explaining it all well. It is not about a better education at all.
http://youtu.be/ezTIYd5UFRY

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