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hypocrit

Huntington, WV

#21 Mar 5, 2011
MCTC wrote:
That particular program is very tight laced on who and how many get in. Thats life and alot of schools are that way. Have you heard how hard it is to get into nursing school. If your good at what you do then you should have nothing to worry about. I am a MCTC student, I have been on the Deans List 3 times with a G.P.A. of 3.7- 4.0. I have had nothing but good teachers and some great teachers. It is up to you to ask for help, nobody is a mind reader.
People assume its MCTC and everything is so simple. It is a college accredited school. They have the same standards.It just geared toward more non traditional students.
If MCTC is to hard for you or you feel like your being bullied, go give Marshall a try and see how you do with their standards.....
then again maybe you need to go to the Junior College.
First off, don't try to change a possible stereotype about MCTC and then turn around and make the same one about HJC. Not only does it completely discredit anything you have to say but it's also exceptionally annoying. Secondly, I have no doubts that there are multiple programs there where people can strive. The question is about this program though. A program that sets up most of their students for failure. Finally, don't just blame the students. You say all they have to do is ask for help. Well, most students do ask for help and most students get it. Do you not find it coincidental that over half the class would fail out of a program before asking for help? Do you really think all these students banded together in their self-destructive "I'm not asking for help" behavior. Unlikely.
need a change

Huntington, WV

#22 Mar 5, 2011
hypocrit wrote:
<quoted text>First off, don't try to change a possible stereotype about MCTC and then turn around and make the same one about HJC. Not only does it completely discredit anything you have to say but it's also exceptionally annoying. Secondly, I have no doubts that there are multiple programs there where people can strive. The question is about this program though. A program that sets up most of their students for failure. Finally, don't just blame the students. You say all they have to do is ask for help. Well, most students do ask for help and most students get it. Do you not find it coincidental that over half the class would fail out of a program before asking for help? Do you really think all these students banded together in their self-destructive "I'm not asking for help" behavior. Unlikely.
I totally agree. They need to stop the it's not us, it's them attitude and fix what's actually broken-change the staff. They need a staff that cares about their students and their profession. They need a teachers, not wardens. They need someone who will create a group of peers that will have a passion for what they do.
Curious

Huntington, WV

#23 Mar 5, 2011
hypocrit wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, don't try to change a possible stereotype about MCTC and then turn around and make the same one about HJC. Not only does it completely discredit anything you have to say but it's also exceptionally annoying. Secondly, I have no doubts that there are multiple programs there where people can strive. The question is about this program though. A program that sets up most of their students for failure. Finally, don't just blame the students. You say all they have to do is ask for help. Well, most students do ask for help and most students get it. Do you not find it coincidental that over half the class would fail out of a program before asking for help? Do you really think all these students banded together in their self-destructive "I'm not asking for help" behavior. Unlikely.
Where are your numbers coming from? You seemed to be misinformed on the failure rates, "half the class" has never failed out of the program. For those that do, did you think that perhaps they simply recognize PT is not for them?

As a professor at rival institution, I can tell you that students, as a whole, do not ask for help. It's like pulling teeth to get some of them to ask questions, let alone come see me during office hours.

This sense of entitlement helps no one, is only hurting the oblivious students. People fail, it's ok, really. No shame in cutting your losses. So quit wasting your and everyone else's time and find a different career if you're not cut out to be a PTA.

P.S. Bitching about how it's not their fault, is the only thing students seem to be successful at "banding together" about.
seriously

Huntington, WV

#24 Mar 5, 2011
MCTC wrote:
That particular program is very tight laced on who and how many get in. Thats life and alot of schools are that way. Have you heard how hard it is to get into nursing school. If your good at what you do then you should have nothing to worry about. I am a MCTC student, I have been on the Deans List 3 times with a G.P.A. of 3.7- 4.0. I have had nothing but good teachers and some great teachers. It is up to you to ask for help, nobody is a mind reader.
People assume its MCTC and everything is so simple. It is a college accredited school. They have the same standards.It just geared toward more non traditional students.
If MCTC is to hard for you or you feel like your being bullied, go give Marshall a try and see how you do with their standards.....
then again maybe you need to go to the Junior College.
If you're going to brag about making the Dean's list 3 whole times and having such an impressive GPA there are a few things you should know. Apostrophes are there for a reason, leaving them out can change the meaning of a word. That includes the use of thats, deans, and its. The word alot is not actually one word but two. A question mark is the proper punctuation for the end of an inquisitive statement. Your is possessive, you're is a contraction for you are. They are not interchangeable. Finally, if you are going to make an argument then you need to be consistent throughout your rant. Do not say in one line that MCTC has college accredited programs with the same standards and then say if it is too difficult one should try a college and see how they do with their standards. There is no consistency there. Just a few tips so you sound like you've earned the accolades you claim to have.
hypocrit

Huntington, WV

#25 Mar 5, 2011
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>Where are your numbers coming from? You seemed to be misinformed on the failure rates, "half the class" has never failed out of the program. For those that do, did you think that perhaps they simply recognize PT is not for them?

As a professor at rival institution, I can tell you that students, as a whole, do not ask for help. It's like pulling teeth to get some of them to ask questions, let alone come see me during office hours.

This sense of entitlement helps no one, is only hurting the oblivious students. People fail, it's ok, really. No shame in cutting your losses. So quit wasting your and everyone else's time and find a different career if you're not cut out to be a PTA.

P.S. Bitching about how it's not their fault, is the only thing students seem to be successful at "banding together" about.
The number of students the program accepts does vary a bit but it typically revolves around 24. If you look at a graduation picture from the class of 2010 there are 11 people in it. Now I'm no mathematical genius but that works out to over "half the class." and if you speak with any of the people who did manage to graduate they will tell you that those who failed out did not come to the realization that the field was not for them. Now I will be the first to line up beside you to complain about the apathetic nature of young people today but there's more to it here. If it was simply the case that students of today don't ask for help or go to professor's office hours you would think the success rate and thus the failure rate would be the same across the board. However it is not. Students are the same. The difference lies in those that teach them.
hmm

Front Royal, VA

#26 Mar 5, 2011
It sounds like if you have that big of a problem with the school/staff/program then your time would be better spent discussing it with those involved instead of spouting off about it on an anonymous message board.

Professionalism is something that should be shown by all representatives of the physical therapy field, and by claiming to be in the field while simultaneously denigrating your fellow PTs/PTAs - you only make yourself look unprofessional. As a PT, you should know better, especially if you are having these students do their rotations in your facility. If you feel there is a problem with their methods, then contact the director and professors and tell them so like an adult.
PTA program

Huntington, WV

#27 Mar 5, 2011
hmm wrote:
It sounds like if you have that big of a problem with the school/staff/program then your time would be better spent discussing it with those involved instead of spouting off about it on an anonymous message board.

Professionalism is something that should be shown by all representatives of the physical therapy field, and by claiming to be in the field while simultaneously denigrating your fellow PTs/PTAs - you only make yourself look unprofessional. As a PT, you should know better, especially if you are having these students do their rotations in your facility. If you feel there is a problem with their methods, then contact the director and professors and tell them so like an adult.
Just to let you know, I have tried to discuss it with the staff there. All I get are excuses and the same old "it's not us, it's them" reply. I chose this venue only after I attempted open discussion. I did not start the thread, just took the opportunity to direct it to the PTA program. I had also hoped that the anonymity would gives others the courage to participate (which seems to have worked).
I do "claim" to be a member of the field. I actually have been for 19 years. I am not denigrating my fellow PT/PTAs. Really just calling out a few of them, those responsible for destroying what used to be a great program. Do not make it sound like I have a problem with those in the profession as a whole. I also never said that I have students do clinical rotations at the same facility I work at. I merely said I have spoken to many former students of the program. You speak of acting like an adult. You tell me to just call the professors there. Like I've said, I tried that and I guarantee I was not the one that was not acting like an adult. I noticed you have not denied what others have written about you specifically on here. If that's the case and you do have some connection to the program I would suggest that you talk to your fellow professors and have them read this thread, call their old students and ask them what they really feel now they are not being graded (and all of them, not just the few that wouldn't say anything bad). Do your part to take off the shroud of denial the professors have created in order to sleep at night and not accept any responsibility for their actions.
And tell them if we call back they need to respect their elders, those with much more experience and not dismiss us just because we disagree with them.
physical therapist

Huntington, WV

#28 Mar 5, 2011
Wow... I must say that I see everyone's point. The students say it's the professors, the professors say it's the students. I've been a PT in the area for about 6+ years now. I've actually helped out some at the school. It's really not a bad program but if everything that everyone on here is saying is true, it sounds like everyone... Professors, students, former students... Everyone needs to accept some responsibility, get together and figure out how to simply continue to improve...
haha

Mullens, WV

#29 Mar 5, 2011
I'm applying to this program...hopefully I'm not in the failing half...if I even get in...which honestly if I'm not accepted I really don't know what I'm going to do...and I also don't know what they are looking for in a student if I don't get in
hypocrit

Huntington, WV

#30 Mar 5, 2011
hmm wrote:
It sounds like if you have that big of a problem with the school/staff/program then your time would be better spent discussing it with those involved instead of spouting off about it on an anonymous message board.

Professionalism is something that should be shown by all representatives of the physical therapy field, and by claiming to be in the field while simultaneously denigrating your fellow PTs/PTAs - you only make yourself look unprofessional. As a PT, you should know better, especially if you are having these students do their rotations in your facility. If you feel there is a problem with their methods, then contact the director and professors and tell them so like an adult.
I don't believe I've ever claimed to be part of your profession and will therefore not feel compelled to act in a professional manner. I will say then that yes I do have a problem with the staff there. I do not have a problem with the school or program. I will say that I know and talk to a lot of people and a lot of people talk a lot to this girl. The things that I have heard make me ashamed to admit that I know all of you. So, to be brash and unprofessional, your program coordinator epitomizes the phrase "he doesn't know whether to wipe his watch or wind his a$$." Your clinical education coordinator is wound so tight, short sleeve turtlenecks in the summer, really. I hear she will NOT be taken advantage of again. I hear if she likes you, if your so far up her butt she can taste you, you're golden. But if you're a student who doesn't do things exactly how she wants she will go out of her way to find a reason to fail you. I've heard she spends hours at site visits just trying to find something wrong she can jump on. Some of your other teachers, 40 year old virgin, and just because you plan on marrying a PT doesn't mean you can act like one. I agree with every negative comment made on here about the program and it's professors. There really is something wrong with a group of people who are charged with creating future generations caring so little about those they are supposed to be teaching. I do enjoy the anonymous message board though. When your in sales you really have to be careful what you say and this girl is definitely gonna protect herself!!
wv vs ky

Huntington, WV

#31 Mar 5, 2011
Anyone else notice that most of the positive comments r comin from Ashland, ky and all the negative from h-town. Hilarious.
Anonymous PTA

Hurricane, WV

#32 Mar 6, 2011
One of my fellow colleagues told me about this topic, so I felt I should chime in. As someone who actually survived and graduated from the PTA program there at MCTC, I have to say that most of the negative comments that have been posted here are completely true.
I had heard the same rumor about the professor being taken advantage of before and completely changing after that, but I honestly don't know if that is true or not. What I do know is that she is everything everyone here has described and then some, regardless. To call her a teacher or professor is a disgrace to actual teachers and professors, since she exhibits none of the characteristics of a good teacher, such as understanding, empathy, or caring about the success of the students.
She is also a completely biased instructor. They don't want the students to talk about their practicals, because they don't want them helping out those that have not taken them yet, but I believe another major reason is that the students will find out how different the grading is that goes on in there. We all talked about our practicals, so we all knew what was going on. I was the patient for one her "pets" and they couldn't answer most of her questions and performed a modality in a completely unsafe manner...and still passed. I knew there was no way they passed and THEY knew there was no way they passed. This is just a small and I mean VERY small example of how things are with this program and especially with this lady.
The comments about the program director having no backbone sounds about right. It seemed to me that him and her are so tight, that she could do no wrong and she knew he would never do anything about it. I would never recommend anyone going through this program as long as she is teaching there. I've personally sent a few friends to Shawnee State, where they didn't have ANY of these problems and graduated without wanting to kill themselves several times through the program. I could go on about this program, but I've probably said enough already. I'll keep an eye on this and good luck to anyone trying to get into the program there.
concerned

Huntington, WV

#33 Mar 6, 2011
It seems to me that the instructors should spend some time at marshall's education program to learn how to teach. Just because they are knowledgeable doesn't mean they know how to teach, especially the adjunct faculty/staff.
PTA program

Huntington, WV

#34 Mar 6, 2011
I must say that I am elated to see the overwhelming response. I honestly thought is would be one of those threads that had one or two comments then died. I would challenge those on here to tell all your fellow PTs and PTAs (especially those who went to MCTC) about this thread. Tell them to leave a comment. Let's send a message here. When it is all said and done we need to write to the program coordinator, the dean of allied health professions at MCTC, all the way up to the school's president. Make sure they know about this thread. Make sure they know how some of the PT community and some of their alumni feel about what's going on behind their own doors. Let them hear without it first being sugar coated and the blame diverted by the program coordinators.
hypocrit

Huntington, WV

#35 Mar 6, 2011
PTA program wrote:
I must say that I am elated to see the overwhelming response. I honestly thought is would be one of those threads that had one or two comments then died. I would challenge those on here to tell all your fellow PTs and PTAs (especially those who went to MCTC) about this thread. Tell them to leave a comment. Let's send a message here. When it is all said and done we need to write to the program coordinator, the dean of allied health professions at MCTC, all the way up to the school's president. Make sure they know about this thread. Make sure they know how some of the PT community and some of their alumni feel about what's going on behind their own doors. Let them hear without it first being sugar coated and the blame diverted by the program coordinators.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Even if nothing happens from the top down, maybe it will get around to the professors. Hopefully after reading this they will come to the realization that things need to change. Hopefully they will not read this, dismiss it as anger driven foolishness and creep back behind their self indulgent shroud of denial. No matter how many times you tell yourself it's not true, no matter how many times you tell yourself that it's not the true consensus, no matter how many times you convince yourself that the things said here are wrong: you're not going to change the plain and simple facts we state. You can only hide from the truth for so long. No matter how good you are at disguising the truth as something more self serving, it will come back and bite you in the a$$. Consider this thread the start of that bite.
good point

Huntington, WV

#36 Mar 6, 2011
You all make a good point. I agree that just because you can practice something it does not automatically make you qualified to teach it. It is crazy how many hoops real teachers have to jump through in order to become teachers. What further training do the professors and teachers have at this program? I would also be interested in further input from prior and even present students. If any of you reading this know people who are linked to the program, please encourage them to join the conversation.
PTA program

Huntington, WV

#37 Mar 6, 2011
Anonymous PTA wrote:
One of my fellow colleagues told me about this topic, so I felt I should chime in. As someone who actually survived and graduated from the PTA program there at MCTC, I have to say that most of the negative comments that have been posted here are completely true.
I had heard the same rumor about the professor being taken advantage of before and completely changing after that, but I honestly don't know if that is true or not. What I do know is that she is everything everyone here has described and then some, regardless. To call her a teacher or professor is a disgrace to actual teachers and professors, since she exhibits none of the characteristics of a good teacher, such as understanding, empathy, or caring about the success of the students.
She is also a completely biased instructor. They don't want the students to talk about their practicals, because they don't want them helping out those that have not taken them yet, but I believe another major reason is that the students will find out how different the grading is that goes on in there. We all talked about our practicals, so we all knew what was going on. I was the patient for one her "pets" and they couldn't answer most of her questions and performed a modality in a completely unsafe manner...and still passed. I knew there was no way they passed and THEY knew there was no way they passed. This is just a small and I mean VERY small example of how things are with this program and especially with this lady.
The comments about the program director having no backbone sounds about right. It seemed to me that him and her are so tight, that she could do no wrong and she knew he would never do anything about it. I would never recommend anyone going through this program as long as she is teaching there. I've personally sent a few friends to Shawnee State, where they didn't have ANY of these problems and graduated without wanting to kill themselves several times through the program. I could go on about this program, but I've probably said enough already. I'll keep an eye on this and good luck to anyone trying to get into the program there.
I honestly did not know that her unfair grading and biased attitude towards her students extended so far. The Thing is I'm really not that surprised. Can anyone further expound on this?
future student?

Huntington, WV

#38 Mar 7, 2011
I am currently a senior in high school and the PTA program at MCTC was pretty high on my list of prospects. Now I don't know. Weighing out the pro's and con's of the different programs I am considering and all of these things seem to make the con's list look exhausting. I must say that I am a little disappointed, but it does sound like I saved myself from a lot of disappointment. Thank you all, I will make sure to pass the word around.
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Anonymous

Nitro, WV

#40 Mar 7, 2011
PTA program wrote:
I must say that I am elated to see the overwhelming response. I honestly thought is would be one of those threads that had one or two comments then died. I would challenge those on here to tell all your fellow PTs and PTAs (especially those who went to MCTC) about this thread. Tell them to leave a comment. Let's send a message here. When it is all said and done we need to write to the program coordinator, the dean of allied health professions at MCTC, all the way up to the school's president. Make sure they know about this thread. Make sure they know how some of the PT community and some of their alumni feel about what's going on behind their own doors. Let them hear without it first being sugar coated and the blame diverted by the program coordinators.
Apparently this topic is making its rounds around the PTA community and I'm a bit behind here. First off, let me start by saying that I, too, am another MCTC PTA graduate. I appreciate your efforts here, but I'm not sure how much good they are going to do. I say this because my classmates, others I know of from other classes, and myself have spoken with him and the Dean about her and apparently nothing has changed. I can't even argue any of the negative things said about her here so far, since that was the way it was when I was there too. The people that say the students need to talk to someone need to understand that we have. They also need to understand that most students will complain to their classmates about the same issues but not want to go to the faculty out of fear of repprecussions, especially the students that are doing well in the program. Once the teacher evaluations came out, we were all just so glad to get out of there and get on with our careers that we didn't even care to write anything detailed or negative or anything. I'll even take blame for that, since it clearly has affected future students there.
My opinion of the teachers there is that pretty much all of them do good job, EXCEPT for the one everyone is clearly referring to here. The unfortunate part of it is that she teaches most of the classes there. If they haven't done anything with her by now, they probably never will.
I wish you luck in trying to change up that program, since it is badly needed.
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Harry Callahan

Saint Albans, WV

#42 Mar 7, 2011
[QUOTE who="future student?"]I am currently a senior in high school and the PTA program at MCTC was pretty high on my list of prospects. Now I don't know. Weighing out the pro's and con's of the different programs I am considering and all of these things seem to make the con's list look exhausting. I must say that I am a little disappointed, but it does sound like I saved myself from a lot of disappointment. Thank you all, I will make sure to pass the word around.[/QUOTE]

Future student, I certainly understand your concern after reading this thread-- but I would hate to think I made my final decision based on comments posted on this rumor mill. Could the claims be true? Sure, I know nothing about the program. Take a look around this site though, how many positive comments have you seen about anything or anyone?

As an esteemed philosopher once said, "opinions are like ***holes, everyone has one." And on this site, the biggest ***holes make the most noise.

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