should none working citizens be allowed to vote
Posted in the Huntington Forum
#1 Nov 14, 2012
Should the population that doesn't have at least a part time job be allowed to vote? Just a question that I thought would be interesting to discuss
#2 Nov 15, 2012
Yes....why shouldnt they? They have a lot more riding on it than us working folks
#3 Nov 15, 2012
Good answer to an ignorant question
#4 Nov 15, 2012
Why should they? They don't contribute to society besides mooch off the system.
#5 Nov 15, 2012
There should be qualifications to vote .
#6 Nov 15, 2012
What would the qualifications be?
#7 Nov 15, 2012
Always trying to make it a race issue. So pathetic
#8 Nov 15, 2012
not the non-workers, but those who have no idea who or what they're voting for. Those who only get interested in voting a week before an election!
#9 Nov 15, 2012
Here's an idea. Shut down the Fed, take away most of the BS laws our government has created, and do away with the electoral college.
After that, go ahead and create jobs just for busy work. Require each person on welfare to go out and work for the city they live in in order to recurve those benefits. Have them clean the litter from streets, wash of graffiti, and clean buildings.
This will cause anyone on assistance to have a position, clean up cities, and actually push those not willing to do manual labor to find a job for a stay paycheck.
#10 Nov 15, 2012
#11 Nov 15, 2012
That's a hell of an idea and I wish they would use something like this so they actually have to earn my tax dollars
#13 Nov 15, 2012
Thank you both. It took many years of not being a politician for me to come up with Ann idea that they will never think of. Hell, I should run for Congress.
#14 Nov 15, 2012
congress ?! Your aiming to low... Go for fuhrer!
#15 Nov 15, 2012
Haha. That's pushing it.
#16 Nov 15, 2012
I think they mean pay taxes genius
#17 Nov 15, 2012
Really sounds to me like a form of socialism, tell me, if any of you people have children, how you like someone to get the credit that is rightfully theirs or working you're ass off all the while the person who sweeps the floor at Mc Donald's. Wait a minute, there isn't going to be Those places we're wont exist any longer.
Socialism is based on the concept of everyone gets their share. This economic system exists in those environments where resources are plentiful, or populations are extremely small (such as family units).
Properties of Socialism
All members of the economy share benefits, regardless of their economic value to the system.
Succesful socialistic systems depend on sufficient resources for the entire population.
A healthy socialistic system results in non-economic productivity.
Advantages of Socialism
In environments with plentiful resources, socialism provides all members with their survival needs, creating a stable social environment.
Members that cannot participate economically - due to disabilities, age, or periods of poor health - can still impart wisdom, emotional support and continuity of experience to the system.
Freedom from work provides opportunity for some societal members to explore non-economically-productive pursuits, such as pure science, math and non-popular arts.
Disadvantages of Socialism
Since there is no culling and no economic advantage to working harder, socialistic systems provide no inherent incentive to participate. This makes socialism internally unstable.
Due to a lack of incentives, socialistic systems tend not to be competitive, making them externally unstable.
In times of plenty, immigrants are drawn to the free resources offered by socialistic systems, while potentially adding nothing economically productive.
In times of scarcity, resentment of non-economically-productive members of society increases, causing a destabilizing effect on the society and economy.
Remedies for the Excesses/Weaknesses of Socialism
Avoid scarcity of resources.
Keep out immigrants.
#18 Nov 15, 2012
And then we have,
Communism is based on the concept of shared effort and shared resources. No existent nation practices pure communism, and I know of no self-sustaining country that uses communism as a basis for their economy. Successful, scaled-down examples of communism include early Christian congregations, kibbutzes and cooperatives.
Properties of Communism
All members of the economy share both work and benefits.
Those that do not provide their share of effort and resources to the system are culled.
Successful communistic systems tend to be small and homogeneous.
A healthy communistic system results in a cooperative society.
Advantages of Communism
Communism is an internally stable economic system, in that those that participate benefit and those that don't are culled - creating an incentive to participate.
Communism requires common goals and agreed upon rules/laws to allocate responsibilities and resources. If successful, this leads to a spirit of sharing - which builds stronger social communities, creating a stabler economy.
Due to their sense of cooperation, healthy communistic systems are very efficient at distributing resources within their localized areas - particularly in times of need.
Disadvantages of Communism
Large or geographically broad populations tend to be diverse, making it difficult to maintain a common goal or set of rules for shared effort and resources.
Large, diversified societies tend to gravitate towards systems of heirarchy, reducing the perception of fair distribution of work and resources - which can destablize a communistic society.
Allowing an influx of external culture increases the likelyhood of destablizing the homogeneity of the society. As such, communistic systems tend to block out external cultures and exclude outside competition, weakening the system's ability to learn from, or compete with, external economies.
Remedies for the Excesses/Weaknesses of Communism
Keep the society small and homogeneous, and minimize hierarchies.
Block out external cultural influences and control external trade.
#19 Nov 15, 2012
Then we have Capitalism..
Capitalism is based on the Darwinian concept of survival of the fittest. While I am aware of no nation that practices a pure form of this economic system, several Western countries use a form of capitalism at the core of their economies. Scaled-down examples of capitalism are flea markets, bazzars and black market trading.
Properties of Capitalism
Social/cultural rules and political laws define the environment.
Supply and demand provide environmental pressures.
Those that best "fit" that environment survive and maintain the rules/laws.
Those that can't/don't thrive in the system, and otherwise lack participation, are culled.
Successful capitalistic systems tend to be open and competitive.
A healthy capitalistic system results in economic incentives.
Advantages of Capitalism
Capitalism is an internally stable economic system, in that it is consistent with human behavior. People understand that life is not fair - there's no "free lunch". You have to work to survive, and only the lucky who manage to thrive within the socio-economic matrix make it to the top. As long as there is a belief/hope that one can advance in the system, there is an incentive to participate.
Capitalism is also externally stable, in that survival in a capitalistic system requires innovation and flexibilty to keep up with the changes in supply and demand. Such a system is generally prepared to deal with the influx of competition from external sources.
Large populations are likely to be diverse, which is beneficial to healthy capitalistic systems.
Large, diversified societies tend to gravitate towards heirarchical social systems; capitalism easily adapts to such structures.
Disadvantages of Capitalism
It is not acceptable in most modern societies to allow portions of their population to be "culled".
Those in power tend to construct rules that limit diversity and competition, thereby weakening the flexibility and strength of the system as a whole.
Vast imbalances in opportunity encourages revolt, which disrupts and destablizes the system.
Remedies for the Excesses/Weaknesses of Capitalism
Create secondary social mechanisms to support those that do not "fit" in the socio-economic system.
Encourage the inclusion of all members of the population to compete, and open up competition to external markets, in order to maximize diversity and flexibility.
Educate the elite to the systemic benefits of resource distribution, and encourage incentives for such distribution.
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#20 Nov 15, 2012
Uhhhh...what about stay at home moms?
#21 Nov 15, 2012
Someone has tooo much time on thier hands...Maybe u should get a life other than Topix "just saying"
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