Increasing Violence in Southfield
Southfield resident

Cleveland, OH

#22 Jul 23, 2011
I have lived in Southfield for 20 plus years and services, safety and the composition of my neighborhood has remained stable. I am a property owner. Lawns are well kept and streets clean. I feel safe, but like everywhere else I consider it smart to be aware of my surroundings. I do not recognize the neighborhoods in your post. I live in the 10 mile and Southfield area. The city is still a safe place to live though it has been hurt by the economic woes which have plaqued Michigan.
Obskeptic wrote:
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It depends on the area of Southfield that you are looking at Kevin. As you know, it is a large city. The jews have all left, and many of the whites have as well. The housing along the eight mile corridor is no different then around many Detroit neighborhoods. Not as many vacant homes or empty lots yet, but the new residents are working on that as we type. Up in the northern part of the city, it is still pretty decent, but is on a downword slide too. Reports of large groups of young blacks roaming the streets, refusing to clear the road for passing motorists in neighborhoods is a common report. All crime has gone up substantially and the housing prices have tanked throughout the city. Along with these developments in the condition and health of the city one would naturally ask, "whats different? what has changed to cause this?" The single largest change in the last twenty years is that the black population of Southfield has skyrocketed, at the same time that whites and jews have left. But you and I know that is just an excuse the whites make to bash Southfield and the Detroit as a whole. Everyone knows that the more black your city is, the better its run and the safer it is.
Obskeptic

Garden City, MI

#23 Jul 24, 2011
Southfield resident wrote:
I have lived in Southfield for 20 plus years and services, safety and the composition of my neighborhood has remained stable. I am a property owner. Lawns are well kept and streets clean. I feel safe, but like everywhere else I consider it smart to be aware of my surroundings. I do not recognize the neighborhoods in your post. I live in the 10 mile and Southfield area. The city is still a safe place to live though it has been hurt by the economic woes which have plaqued Michigan.
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Of course there are still areas that are stable and safe. The north side of Southfield has always been the "better" area as it is where you would find more upscale housing. My father in law was a retired Southfield patrol officer for 27 years, and lived in the 7 mile Lahser area of Detroit. The neighborhoods around that area on up into Southfield look like a war zone the last time I drove through them, which was in the last six months. I have friends that live in the northern part and into Oak Park and they tell me that things have changed, and that it has not been for the better. I am glad to know you are comfortable and happy there and sincerely hope your experience does not change unless improvement is the direction it goes.
Intelligent

Sterling Heights, MI

#24 Jul 26, 2011
The unlearned will continue to perpetuate the myth and generalizations and the stereotypes that are associated with African Americans. These commenting on the Southfield thread are an example. I actually live in southfield and have for almost 20 years. If you read the police reporting, you will see that the increase in crime has been from the Apartment Complex residents who come from a variety of places. The street crime participants are normally from other cities outside of southfield too.
The crimes are not the southfield homeowners and we are working deligently with the decrease in city services as a result of the failing national economy that has stripped city budgets to bare bones.
Many residents have reached their senior age and dont have the where with all to manicure their lawns as in times past.( I take care of my 80 yeaar old neighbor's lawn at no cost)
More important is the fact that with increase poverty comes increased desperation from a people who believe the only way to own anything is to take it from someone else. This isnt a black thing, its a poor thing. It doesnt make it right by any means, but it is truth. While some may turn to crime and others may be ignorant, its been said that when the whites move in, you got a pedaphile, a serial killer, etc. This comment is just as stupid as the generalizations assessed to African Americans. But there will always be individuals who maintain certain beliefs because they want to, not necessarily poout of truth. shame on you.
Intelligent

Madison Heights, MI

#25 Jul 26, 2011
Also, Southfield does not look like a war zone. Neither does many parts of Detroit across 8 mile. There are still proud people working hard to keep their land beautiful. The city is still worth investing in despite the negative trend mentioned here. In the 20 years Ive been here Ive never had a police issue, nothing stolen, nothing broken into, etc. Stop trying to bash the city when you dont even own a home here and are on the outside looking in through your own personally racially filtered lenses.
Obskeptic

Garden City, MI

#26 Jul 27, 2011
Intelligent wrote:
Also, Southfield does not look like a war zone. Neither does many parts of Detroit across 8 mile. There are still proud people working hard to keep their land beautiful. The city is still worth investing in despite the negative trend mentioned here. In the 20 years Ive been here Ive never had a police issue, nothing stolen, nothing broken into, etc. Stop trying to bash the city when you dont even own a home here and are on the outside looking in through your own personally racially filtered lenses.
So does using the moniker "Intelligent" make it so? If thats the case then I am no longer "Obskeptic", I go by the moniker "Brilliant" from now on. So you have driven the neighborhoods east of Lahser and north of Seven mile. Or maybe over around old Redford in the Lahser and Six mile area, and you think they look good? Since when is someone collecting welfare and using a bridge card proud? You may very well be an upstanding and responsible citizen, and I commend you for that, but if you want to see the truth about how lower scale white neighborhoods look, then drive to Wayne, Westland, Taylor, or Allen Park to name a few. They don't look like many of the Detroit neighborhoods do. For the real test, go look at all the old homes in Hamtramck where the whites still live. The homes are cared for, lawns mowed, bushes trimmed, sidewalks clean, and there are not any of those stuff animal tributes on the corner because they don't tend to kill one another. Encouraging to know you never look at reality through your racially filtered lenses, but that may be why you refuse to see what a mess your black demographic is.
Asitis-

West Monroe, LA

#27 Aug 2, 2011
I lived in the North Central part of Detroit and the newspapers began running screeds as to the deterioration of the schools and neighborhoods.

The media re-labeled it 'the core city.' I married and moved to Northwest Detroit, first known as the "Golden Ghetto" and later identified as the 'inner city.'

I entered WSU, certain that I had received a poor education. Not until I met such people as some of these highly opinionated writers did I come to understand that my high school education was under-rated and their's over-rated.

One should be shocked that the media would track the movements of people of color. But don't we abide and live in the nation's most segregated metropolitan area? Modt prople in this area view life through the simplistic lenses of race and color. Perhaps, this is why industy flees. Nothing will change, until the hearts and minds of our media directors change.
rhymin hymen

United States

#28 Sep 13, 2011
Obskeptic wrote:
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So does using the moniker "Intelligent" make it so? If thats the case then I am no longer "Obskeptic", I go by the moniker "Brilliant" from now on. So you have driven the neighborhoods east of Lahser and north of Seven mile. Or maybe over around old Redford in the Lahser and Six mile area, and you think they look good? Since when is someone collecting welfare and using a bridge card proud? You may very well be an upstanding and responsible citizen, and I commend you for that, but if you want to see the truth about how lower scale white neighborhoods look, then drive to Wayne, Westland, Taylor, or Allen Park to name a few. They don't look like many of the Detroit neighborhoods do. For the real test, go look at all the old homes in Hamtramck where the whites still live. The homes are cared for, lawns mowed, bushes trimmed, sidewalks clean, and there are not any of those stuff animal tributes on the corner because they don't tend to kill one another. Encouraging to know you never look at reality through your racially filtered lenses, but that may be why you refuse to see what a mess your black demographic is.
My Bridge Card makes me Hard.

“Angry Antlers ”

Since: Sep 08

Miami

#29 Sep 13, 2011
I own a home in Southfield in the 9 mile/Evergreen area, and find my neighbors who are mostly African/American to be as good a group as you could get anywhere.

Our block club is committed to clean streets, and caring for foreclosed properties when wealthy banksters decide to neglect them.

We had half a dozen foreclosures on our block, now only two, and most are selling to owner-occupants.

You can't get a better house with lots of land for the price anywhere, and it's attracting NEW residents who value these things.

We recently voted to INCREASE our property taxes by an 87% to 13% margin to cover the losses in property value assessments from the Republican caused depression.

The police respond faster than most wealthier suburbs, and our park system is second to none.

The naysayers are those who have an agenda or a chip on their shoulder and are more intersted in casting dispersions rather than creating solutions, which is what Southfield is all about.

Our mayor, Brenda Lawrence asked ME how things are going recently, and complimented me on the improvements I made recently to my home.
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#30 Sep 13, 2011
Caribou Barbie wrote:
I own a home in Southfield in the 9 mile/Evergreen area, and find my neighbors who are mostly African/American to be as good a group as you could get anywhere.
Our block club is committed to clean streets, and caring for foreclosed properties when wealthy banksters decide to neglect them.
We had half a dozen foreclosures on our block, now only two, and most are selling to owner-occupants.
You can't get a better house with lots of land for the price anywhere, and it's attracting NEW residents who value these things.
We recently voted to INCREASE our property taxes by an 87% to 13% margin to cover the losses in property value assessments from the Republican caused depression.
The police respond faster than most wealthier suburbs, and our park system is second to none.
The naysayers are those who have an agenda or a chip on their shoulder and are more intersted in casting dispersions rather than creating solutions, which is what Southfield is all about.
Our mayor, Brenda Lawrence asked ME how things are going recently, and complimented me on the improvements I made recently to my home.
Please detail how the republicans were responsible for the unemployment rate being above 9% for 26 of the last 28 weeks when the democrats are in control of most of Washington? What was the unemployment rate average during the Bush Administration?
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#31 Sep 13, 2011
The percentage of Americans and especially children living in poverty was just reported to be at an all time high that has not been seen in decades. One in six adults live in poverty as we define it. It has increased steadily since the democrats took over to its current record. Thanks President Oblamer for your failing as a leader. That is the problem when the country puts such high expectations on a moron with no experience leading. When reality reveals he is just another average politician or worse it becomes an embarrassing let down. Even the Jews are leaving the democrats thanks to Obama.

“Angry Antlers ”

Since: Sep 08

Miami

#32 Sep 13, 2011
Obskeptic wrote:
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Please detail how the republicans were responsible for the unemployment rate being above 9% for 26 of the last 28 weeks when the democrats are in control of most of Washington? What was the unemployment rate average during the Bush Administration?
Gladly.

The Bush administration through it's policies of deregulation and wealth redistribution from the bottom up as a start.

Gifting tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans during a time of two voluntary wars, unprecedented in American history, and the resulting casino capitalism engaged in by right wing extremists on Wall Street, gambling with suprlus money that should have been taxed in the first place.

This allowed for the creation of toxic derivatives with a complicit and complacent SEC that couldn't even catch Bernie Madoff after being alerted numerous times, coupled with the housing crisis caused by the same policies of deregulation, ended up in Bush shedding 750,000 jobs PER MONTH in the waning months of his administration.

The fact the Democrats had a BARE one vote majority in the house, where all spending bills originate, and a a 60 vote majority is needed to pass any and all spending legislation gave them a majority in name only, and in spite of their efforts, the right shoved through enough spending bills in the first four years, that Bush NEVER vetoed a single spending bill.

Further back, the right, with the Gramm Leach Bliley Act of 2000 set in motion the opening of new derivative markets through deregulation championed by the right, and lead us down the destructive road to insolvency.

And thus the collapse of housing values in Southfield and everywhere else.

Yes, the failed policies of 30 years of Reagan-Bush "trickle down" economics came home to roost, thanks to the greed and corrpution of the elitist class of corprate fascists running Washington then, AND today.

Any more questions you'd like answered?

“Angry Antlers ”

Since: Sep 08

Miami

#33 Sep 13, 2011
Obskeptic wrote:
The percentage of Americans and especially children living in poverty was just reported to be at an all time high that has not been seen in decades. One in six adults live in poverty as we define it. It has increased steadily since the democrats took over to its current record. Thanks President Oblamer for your failing as a leader. That is the problem when the country puts such high expectations on a moron with no experience leading. When reality reveals he is just another average politician or worse it becomes an embarrassing let down. Even the Jews are leaving the democrats thanks to Obama.
A direct result of the failed policies of Reagan/Bush, and continued by conservative Republican Obama.

He's given the right everything they've wanted from health care mandates to weak Wall Street regulation, and still they bitch and moan that taxes aren't low enough when they haven't been lower in 60 years.

Just more crony right wing capitalism wearing a different coat.
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#34 Sep 14, 2011
Caribou Barbie wrote:
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A direct result of the failed policies of Reagan/Bush, and continued by conservative Republican Obama.
He's given the right everything they've wanted from health care mandates to weak Wall Street regulation, and still they bitch and moan that taxes aren't low enough when they haven't been lower in 60 years.
Just more crony right wing capitalism wearing a different coat.
You sound like an Anthony Weiner voter. Good luck in 2012.
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#35 Sep 14, 2011
Caribou Barbie wrote:
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Gladly.
The Bush administration through it's policies of deregulation and wealth redistribution from the bottom up as a start.
Gifting tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans during a time of two voluntary wars, unprecedented in American history, and the resulting casino capitalism engaged in by right wing extremists on Wall Street, gambling with suprlus money that should have been taxed in the first place.
This allowed for the creation of toxic derivatives with a complicit and complacent SEC that couldn't even catch Bernie Madoff after being alerted numerous times, coupled with the housing crisis caused by the same policies of deregulation, ended up in Bush shedding 750,000 jobs PER MONTH in the waning months of his administration.
The fact the Democrats had a BARE one vote majority in the house, where all spending bills originate, and a a 60 vote majority is needed to pass any and all spending legislation gave them a majority in name only, and in spite of their efforts, the right shoved through enough spending bills in the first four years, that Bush NEVER vetoed a single spending bill.
Further back, the right, with the Gramm Leach Bliley Act of 2000 set in motion the opening of new derivative markets through deregulation championed by the right, and lead us down the destructive road to insolvency.
And thus the collapse of housing values in Southfield and everywhere else.
Yes, the failed policies of 30 years of Reagan-Bush "trickle down" economics came home to roost, thanks to the greed and corrpution of the elitist class of corprate fascists running Washington then, AND today.
Any more questions you'd like answered?
Of course, shedding the light of factual objectivity on your arguments would be a total waste of time, as it is very apparent that your allegiance has been firmly settled. I would point out that your Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was the oversight in the New York District when all that stealing took place. Bush and the republicans lost their base and were fired because of all that spending. Bush was far more of a progressive then he was a conservative. You should of loved him. Now we have your guy and blacks are doing worse then they have in decades, there are more americans in poverty then in decades, we still have two wars going, we still have the patriot act extended by your guy, we still have gitmo, we still have rendition as a policy, we have huge scandals being ignored by the likes of you like Solyndra and the Fast and Furious policy. Your party and president is doing so well that even the Jews in New Yorks 9th have left your party in mass, and you still want to whine about Bush and the Republicans. As a conservative, I want to thank you for sticking with this sinking ship. To think that democrats believed that if you just move all the idiots from the listing side of the boat to the high side would change the fact that the ship is sinking is brilliant. Keep up the good work.

“Angry Antlers ”

Since: Sep 08

Miami

#36 Sep 14, 2011
Obskeptic wrote:
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Of course, shedding the light of factual objectivity on your arguments would be a total waste of time, as it is very apparent that your allegiance has been firmly settled. I would point out that your Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was the oversight in the New York District when all that stealing took place. Bush and the republicans lost their base and were fired because of all that spending. Bush was far more of a progressive then he was a conservative. You should of loved him. Now we have your guy and blacks are doing worse then they have in decades, there are more americans in poverty then in decades, we still have two wars going, we still have the patriot act extended by your guy, we still have gitmo, we still have rendition as a policy, we have huge scandals being ignored by the likes of you like Solyndra and the Fast and Furious policy. Your party and president is doing so well that even the Jews in New Yorks 9th have left your party in mass, and you still want to whine about Bush and the Republicans. As a conservative, I want to thank you for sticking with this sinking ship. To think that democrats believed that if you just move all the idiots from the listing side of the boat to the high side would change the fact that the ship is sinking is brilliant. Keep up the good work.
It has nothing to do with allegiance, and everything to do with facts, which are in short supply from the Fascist Right.

You mention Geithner- who did he work for before becoming Treasury Secretary?

You've got to realize Obama is a Republican, and never was my candidate- too conservative for me.

I stand on the side of all Americans who have no representative government anymore, specifically those in the vanishing middle class and the greatest number of poverty stricken individuals who eschew the Republican wealthy elitists who have brought this nation to it's knees.

Liberal progressives haven't had a president since FDR in our view, so keep up the label game, it suits your personality well.

I intend to vote Rethuglican this next time around, so we can hurry up with the class division to the point we will have anarchy and get it over with finally.

Once Republicans have removed all oversight from government on their illegal and immoral practices, we will be so bankrupted, in debt to China, so demoralized and polluted, we'll have no other option than to revolt.

And that will be the turning point finally in America when we can get to a socialized form of government that actually works.

“Angry Antlers ”

Since: Sep 08

Miami

#37 Sep 14, 2011
Obskeptic wrote:
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You sound like an Anthony Weiner voter. Good luck in 2012.
I provide facts, and you respond with this??

LOL!!!

Typical Rethuglican.
Haste post

Waterford, MI

#38 Sep 14, 2011
Caribou Barbie wrote:
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I provide facts, and you respond with this??
LOL!!!
Typical Rethuglican.
I am an ANGRY Elephant!!!!! Watch my tusks!
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#39 Sep 15, 2011
You mention Geithner- who did he work for before becoming Treasury Secretary?
He was the CEO of the New York branch of the Federal Reserve, where much of the stealing took place.

So what socialized government model do find to be so appealing? Greece, the UK, maybe Spain or Portugal, or are you a South American firebrand socialist like the Venezuela model? Boy, no corruption in any of those places. Those socialist leaders are all about helping the "little" people like yourself, right? Why do you even live in a country that fills you with so much hate for it? Hopefully we run into each other in the streets when the anarchy arrives, which will be within the first year after the 2012's put the democrats completely out of power. I can show you what I think of you and your socialist ideas. It will be fun.

“Angry Antlers ”

Since: Sep 08

Miami

#40 Sep 15, 2011
Obskeptic wrote:
You mention Geithner- who did he work for before becoming Treasury Secretary?
He was the CEO of the New York branch of the Federal Reserve, where much of the stealing took place.
So what socialized government model do find to be so appealing? Greece, the UK, maybe Spain or Portugal, or are you a South American firebrand socialist like the Venezuela model? Boy, no corruption in any of those places. Those socialist leaders are all about helping the "little" people like yourself, right? Why do you even live in a country that fills you with so much hate for it? Hopefully we run into each other in the streets when the anarchy arrives, which will be within the first year after the 2012's put the democrats completely out of power. I can show you what I think of you and your socialist ideas. It will be fun.
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Thanks for the threat, Fascist, you really don't want to run into me anywhere, you won't have a chance to get a round off as heavily armed as I am.

Socialism is what we are living in, and have been living in since 1913, just not a very good or efficient form of socialism, but socialism nonetheless.

And Europe was doing just fine until the nations you mentioned started gambling with right wing created Wall Street derivatives, and now the Reich is claiming it's the social spending that has caused their problems, far from it.

The rioting in Europe is good and just, against a corporate elite determined to blame their unregulated behavior on the people.

One thing you can always count on is the Fascist Reich using other people's money to gamble with, such as our pensions, our mortgages, and now even our insurance policies are packaged and resold as gambling chips- bantied about like a badminton birdie.

LOL!!!

Wealth redistribution from the bottom up, such as Chancellor Snyder is doing to gift tax breaks to private industry which will not create ONE job, as we all know, since it's been attempted before. Then taxing pensions, and the Reich sits back and applauds their own demise.

Which proves the stupidity of all Rethuglicans who cheerlead for their own destruction.

When anarchy does come, trust me, I'll be ready, and will make sure I have a position to judge the wealthy elites during the reclaimation process as we transition into full fledged socialism as FDR envisioned.

You might think about choosing your poison now- jail time, bankruptcy, or exile???

LOL!!!

The revenge will be sweet.
Chelsea

United States

#41 Sep 15, 2011
Obskeptic wrote:
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Everyone knows that the more black your city is, the better its run and the safer it is.
LOL

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