Ordinance would ban discrimination against gays

Sep 5, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Traverse City Record-Eagle

A proposed city ordinance that would outlaw discrimination against homosexuals is pretty much a no-brainer to Joel Heady.

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Gloria

Traverse City, MI

#1 Sep 5, 2010
I am astounded that the city would meet to discuss an ordinance banning discrimination against gays. This is something that has to be discussed and agreed to?? Since when? Since when do we get together and decide whether a group of people should have the same human and civil rights as the rest of the population? And what if the majority decided against it? Shame on us for even considering this as an issue.

As a former owner of several retail shops, I hired gays who applied for a job because they were qualified. They did a great job, they were honest, and by the way they were the ONLY honest employees I had. The never took time off and were never late. They knew their job and did it well. They were no different than other people when working in my shops except they were, well better employees.

As for the Catholic Church well, we won't want to discuss whether they should have the right to decide who works for them based on morality. Nuff said.

Whether you agree with their lifestyle or not has no bearing on giving them their civil and human rights.

Since: Sep 08

Muskegon

#2 Sep 5, 2010
If it's not against the law to discriminate against gays, then people will get away with it. Just like they had to pass laws against discriminating by race and gender. Sad but true.
shanaynay

South Elgin, IL

#3 Sep 5, 2010
Gays should get back in the closet. They are abominations and freaks who will fry in Hell for eternity. Ugh.
Sharon

Fraser, MI

#4 Sep 5, 2010
shanaynay wrote:
Gays should get back in the closet. They are abominations and freaks who will fry in Hell for eternity. Ugh.
I agree, and also the fornicators as well. The Bible is very clear that any sex outside of marriage - including premarital sex - is wrong, and that anyone - homosexual or heterosexual - who commits these sins will burn in hell for eternity.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#5 Sep 5, 2010
Sharon wrote:
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I agree, and also the fornicators as well. The Bible is very clear that any sex outside of marriage - including premarital sex - is wrong, and that anyone - homosexual or heterosexual - who commits these sins will burn in hell for eternity.
Shouldn't you be studying your bible instead of playing on the internet?

Heathens!

Since: Sep 08

Muskegon

#6 Sep 5, 2010
Sharon wrote:
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I agree, and also the fornicators as well. The Bible is very clear that any sex outside of marriage - including premarital sex - is wrong, and that anyone - homosexual or heterosexual - who commits these sins will burn in hell for eternity.
The Bible is very clear that through Jesus ALL sins are forgiven. And that people who make statements like yours should Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Since: Sep 08

Muskegon

#7 Sep 5, 2010
Bob wrote:
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Shouldn't you be studying your bible instead of playing on the internet?
Heathens!
It's extremely obvious that neither of them has a clue what's actually in the Bible.
Buckboy

Grand Rapids, MI

#8 Sep 5, 2010
Gays shouldn't be discriminated against. However, we need less laws. Having too many laws is a bigger threat to society & freedom.

If gays really bother you, get a grip.(Or don't be gay!) If you have a business & you discriminate against gays, you won't be in business long because if your that far out of touch, you won't serve your customers well anyway.

Since: Sep 08

Muskegon

#9 Sep 5, 2010
Buckboy wrote:
Gays shouldn't be discriminated against. However, we need less laws. Having too many laws is a bigger threat to society & freedom.
If gays really bother you, get a grip.(Or don't be gay!) If you have a business & you discriminate against gays, you won't be in business long because if your that far out of touch, you won't serve your customers well anyway.
That's naive.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#10 Sep 5, 2010
Sharon wrote:
I agree, and also the fornicators as well. The Bible is very clear that any sex outside of marriage -
Be patient dear; in case you haven't noticed, borngays have already been working to gain marriage equality at the government level
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Borngays have been marrying in their own churches for thousands of years using these instructions from the Bible:
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1. The souls of two people become knit as one
2. They make a covenant with God as their witness
3. They consummate their marriage
4. Their marriage is permanent until death they are parted
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Here is is; right out of your grandmother's pre-1952 King James Bible;
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1.
1 Samuel 18:1> And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
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2.
1 Samuel 18:3> Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. 18:4> And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
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1 Samuel 20:41> And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 20:42> And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the LORD, saying, The LORD be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city.
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2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#11 Sep 5, 2010
radell wrote:
If it's not against the law to discriminate against gays, then people will get away with it. Just like they had to pass laws against discriminating by race and gender. Sad but true.
Laws banning discrimination based on race or gender have been written in such a manner that they allow discrimination against others. I canbe fired for being white, but not black...I can also be fired for being male but not for being fema;e. If the proposed ordinance is written similar to those laws, an employer could fire somebody for being straight but not for being gay.
OTRDriver1

Grand Rapids, MI

#12 Sep 5, 2010
Gloria wrote:
I am astounded that the city would meet to discuss an ordinance banning discrimination against gays. This is something that has to be discussed and agreed to?? Since when? Since when do we get together and decide whether a group of people should have the same human and civil rights as the rest of the population? And what if the majority decided against it? Shame on us for even considering this as an issue.
As a former owner of several retail shops, I hired gays who applied for a job because they were qualified. They did a great job, they were honest, and by the way they were the ONLY honest employees I had. The never took time off and were never late. They knew their job and did it well. They were no different than other people when working in my shops except they were, well better employees.
As for the Catholic Church well, we won't want to discuss whether they should have the right to decide who works for them based on morality. Nuff said.
Whether you agree with their lifestyle or not has no bearing on giving them their civil and human rights.
I agree with your position on all but one issue, you mentioned the term "lifestyle" A gay person being is a life, Not a lifestyle, A lifestyle is what you enjoy in Traverse City, or what someone might enjoy to eat. But it's not a term that can be defined for how a gay person feels.
Thorngrove

Vicksburg, MI

#13 Sep 5, 2010
We are allowed to be free and hate homogays or anyone or anything else, if we so desire.

so F off.
Thorngrove

Vicksburg, MI

#14 Sep 5, 2010
OTRDriver1 wrote:
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I agree with your position on all but one issue, you mentioned the term "lifestyle" A gay person being is a life, Not a lifestyle, A lifestyle is what you enjoy in Traverse City, or what someone might enjoy to eat. But it's not a term that can be defined for how a gay person feels.
You mean, it's what one does, not who they are.

Since: Sep 08

Muskegon

#15 Sep 5, 2010
Gentle Taz wrote:
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Laws banning discrimination based on race or gender have been written in such a manner that they allow discrimination against others. I canbe fired for being white, but not black...I can also be fired for being male but not for being fema;e. If the proposed ordinance is written similar to those laws, an employer could fire somebody for being straight but not for being gay.
That is unfair, if the laws are used in that manner. It does not mean that laws against discrimination against gays should not be written, just that they should be written more carefully.
Jan

Fraser, MI

#16 Sep 5, 2010
radell wrote:
<quoted text>That is unfair, if the laws are used in that manner. It does not mean that laws against discrimination against gays should not be written, just that they should be written more carefully.
Right, but the gays want special treatment, and that's what leads to all the problems. Why not instead just ban discrimination across the board. Why do the gays need to be singled out for special treatment. I don't understand it.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#17 Sep 5, 2010
radell wrote:
<quoted text>That is unfair, if the laws are used in that manner. It does not mean that laws against discrimination against gays should not be written, just that they should be written more carefully.
If a black person is hired because of his skin color, a more qualified white person cannot file a discrimination complaint because the law only protects those listed in the law even though the discrimination was against the white person. The same has happened with women. It was called affirmative action.
Jan

Fraser, MI

#18 Sep 5, 2010
Why does everything have to be about the gays. Our country is fighting two wars and the economy is in the toilet, and the biggest issue is whether or not enough people respect the gays doing their thing? I don't think so. Please.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#19 Sep 5, 2010
Good luck in their discussions.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#20 Sep 6, 2010
Jan wrote:
Why does everything have to be about the gays. Our country is fighting two wars and the economy is in the toilet, and the biggest issue is whether or not enough people respect the gays doing their thing? I don't think so. Please.
First things first:
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If EVERYBODY doesn't have equal civil rights; NOBODY has equal civil rights

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