question for huntington city manager
Madea

Rio Vista, TX

#22 Nov 1, 2012
Up Up and Away wrote:
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This whole thread seemed to get really ugly. What is everyone else's opinion? I was surfing around topix and found this one. The whole thread is interesting.
It was the truth and nothing but the truth.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#23 Nov 2, 2012
Madea wrote:
<quoted text>It was the truth and nothing but the truth.
Quite ugly isn't it?
Angelina resident

Crockett, TX

#24 Nov 2, 2012
Up Up and Away, please let it go. Children were hurt.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#25 Nov 2, 2012
Angelina resident wrote:
Up Up and Away, please let it go. Children were hurt.
I really don't understand what its all about. I really dont. I was just contrasting the difference between the how the post were (really ugly) to how they are now. I think they are large improvement.

I think you made a real nice request of me. I intend on respecting your request. I am very sorry children were hurt.

Can you please accept my apology?

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#26 Nov 3, 2012
Up Up and Away wrote:
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I really don't understand what its all about. I really dont. I was just contrasting the difference between the how the post were (really ugly) to how they are now. I think they are large improvement.
I think you made a real nice request of me. I intend on respecting your request. I am very sorry children were hurt.
Can you please accept my apology?
I do agree we have made great strides to stay clear of gossip and rumors. But you must remember the expectation of privacy goes out the door when you are in the public eye. Especially when so much information is available on the internet. Things pushed into back corners have a way of popping up when you least expect it.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#27 Nov 3, 2012
inacar wrote:
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I do agree we have made great strides to stay clear of gossip and rumors. But you must remember the expectation of privacy goes out the door when you are in the public eye. Especially when so much information is available on the internet. Things pushed into back corners have a way of popping up when you least expect it.
I agree. I just want to keep things as professional as possible. Some times, it is difficult to distinguish between was is rumor and waht is fact.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#28 Nov 3, 2012
Up Up and Away wrote:
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I agree. I just want to keep things as professional as possible. Some times, it is difficult to distinguish between was is rumor and waht is fact.
I think we have been surrounded by people that repeat the same stories. No one takes the time to find the truth. And as I get more records, I see information is missing, the reason why checks were written, with no recorded votes for decisions being made. As troublesome as it is, each step should be recorded in the Minutes. I hope everyone gets their questioned answered. There are lots of rumors but in my opinion there are also a lot of facts out there to be found.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#29 Nov 3, 2012
inacar wrote:
<quoted text> I think we have been surrounded by people that repeat the same stories. No one takes the time to find the truth. And as I get more records, I see information is missing, the reason why checks were written, with no recorded votes for decisions being made. As troublesome as it is, each step should be recorded in the Minutes. I hope everyone gets their questioned answered. There are lots of rumors but in my opinion there are also a lot of facts out there to be found.
I try my best not to spread rumors. But no matter how anyone tries, it still happens. I think the best approach is to get the records and see what they say. I am sure Huntington will produce records as required by the law. I don't think they would intentionally not produce or hide records. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#30 Nov 4, 2012
Up Up and Away wrote:
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I try my best not to spread rumors. But no matter how anyone tries, it still happens. I think the best approach is to get the records and see what they say. I am sure Huntington will produce records as required by the law. I don't think they would intentionally not produce or hide records. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I am sure they wouldn't do that either. It's probably just that stupid copy machine or computer program messing up again. You know it's hard to get good reliable equipment these days. And to be honest the more times I have to reword my requests, it just gives me time to think about other things I don't have the answers to from City Hall and the EDB. Waiting on things has never been a strong point of mine and I fill my waiting time thinking on other things to request. Amazing how that works.
Madea

Lexington, OK

#31 Nov 4, 2012
Up Up and Away wrote:
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This whole thread seemed to get really ugly. What is everyone else's opinion? I was surfing around topix and found this one. The whole thread is interesting.
WTF is telling the whole truth. Damn sure is!!!!

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#32 Nov 5, 2012
Madea wrote:
<quoted text>WTF is telling the whole truth. Damn sure is!!!!
I understand things may have happened during business hours that shouldn't. People make mistakes, innocent people get hurt, and it seems there are a lot of innocent children drug into the mess that should have had parents making better choices. It does happen and you have to move on, make things the best you can. I also understand that when people are treated unfairly it is hard to move on and dealing with the aftermath sometimes lingers for a very long time, especially when those kids still have both parents in their lives, and they are still fighting over them.
I also have heard that Bruce and Betsy both knew about the goings on during work and said nothing until all the phone records were produced. I mean Bruce had just been out of town to a workshop with one of those employees before he "resigned". It's kind of hard to believe the conversation didn't go there.
My question is did the Council know the whole story before he "resigned"? Is the Police Chief another employee that needs a majority vote from the Council to be dismissed? I mean the City has no ethics code, so his "resignation" was from the use of City cell phone for personal use during working hours? How does that work when Bruce used the City Cell phone to do his other job in Zavalla? In fact I have been told all employees use the City cell phones 24/7 for personal calls and for City business. I really can't follow rules that aren't enforced for everyone the same.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#33 Nov 5, 2012
You are right inacar, it is a shame that the children are suffering for decisions that the parents made. Sadly, that happens every day.
I'm not sure the council was aware of the whole story before the resignation of the employee. If they did know the whole story, that would just go to show that the council is following Bruce and allowing him to rule the way he wants to. You are right, there is no 'code of ethics' being followed as far as the city employees seem to be concerned. Makes me wonder how they sleep at night knowing the way they (meaning city employees) treat others.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#34 Nov 5, 2012
Most councils just follow what the adminstrator says. they lack the enthusiasm to research things on their own. A crooked unetherical adminstrator in anytown usa stays in office until the citizens raise cane. The council will never get the picture on their own. It takes citizen involvement.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#35 Nov 5, 2012
Up Up and Away wrote:
Most councils just follow what the adminstrator says. they lack the enthusiasm to research things on their own. A crooked unetherical adminstrator in anytown usa stays in office until the citizens raise cane. The council will never get the picture on their own. It takes citizen involvement.
I just wish the Council would remember they are Citizens too. I don't think any of us would mind the Council raising a little cane on our behalf. It might do them some good to raise some cane, clear the air so to speak.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#36 Nov 5, 2012
He is tired of screwin' up, tired of goin' down,
Tired of his self, tired of his town,
Oh my, my, oh hell yes - Honey put on that party dress.
Buy me a drink, sing me a song,
Because he won't being staying long.

I let everyone figure our what song, and who the "he" is. I change the lyrics slightly to fit the situation.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#37 Nov 5, 2012
inacar wrote:
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I just wish the Council would remember they are Citizens too. I don't think any of us would mind the Council raising a little cane on our behalf. It might do them some good to raise some cane, clear the air so to speak.
All council members need to act as stewards of the citizens, not stewards of the city management.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#38 Nov 5, 2012
Look what I read
See http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2012/01/more-on-...

In March, Killeen City Manager Connie Green announced that he could no longer work with the city council and demanded accrued comp time, salary, health benefits, car allowance and retirement benefits --- equal to more than four times his reported $195,000 annual salary.

"He felt this was owed, and we said this compromise is the best way to avoid a lawsuit. He was shouting,‘I am going to sue the city if you don’t pay me $890,000,'" former council member JoAnn Purser said in an interview with Texas Watchdog this week.

Two weeks and three executive sessions later, the council met with Green one last time, and all parties walked away with a compromise settlement of $750,000, agreed to by a 4-3 council vote.

Green told the local press that he had been fired after accusing some council members of violating the Texas Open Meetings Act.
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Where have I heard those words before, "I AM GOING TO SUE THE CITY?" Sounds familiar.
Madea

Lexington, OK

#39 Nov 5, 2012
inacar wrote:
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I understand things may have happened during business hours that shouldn't. People make mistakes, innocent people get hurt, and it seems there are a lot of innocent children drug into the mess that should have had parents making better choices. It does happen and you have to move on, make things the best you can. I also understand that when people are treated unfairly it is hard to move on and dealing with the aftermath sometimes lingers for a very long time, especially when those kids still have both parents in their lives, and they are still fighting over them.
I also have heard that Bruce and Betsy both knew about the goings on during work and said nothing until all the phone records were produced. I mean Bruce had just been out of town to a workshop with one of those employees before he "resigned". It's kind of hard to believe the conversation didn't go there.
My question is did the Council know the whole story before he "resigned"? Is the Police Chief another employee that needs a majority vote from the Council to be dismissed? I mean the City has no ethics code, so his "resignation" was from the use of City cell phone for personal use during working hours? How does that work when Bruce used the City Cell phone to do his other job in Zavalla? In fact I have been told all employees use the City cell phones 24/7 for personal calls and for City business. I really can't follow rules that aren't enforced for everyone the same.
Yes, Sifford had a choice, RESIGN quietly or BE FIRED and ruin your good record. Hmmmmm....... not much choice there was it. I think maybe BM was a little jealous with his PORKCHOP %#@.
Power power power,,,,, one day will all be gone and the truth WILL come out. It may be too late for some, but at least it will be out. Request the employees since 2009 that have left and the reasons and you will see. You don't BUCK the BIG MAN or his EVIL SECRETARY or you wont have NO job. Hmmmm... It is what it is... When it comes the day that NOBODY has feelings for the "common man" as they say, something is wrong. And for all the council members, you are cowards just as well for sitting back and letting innocent people get hurt. If that's all your worth is nothing for the city, then step down and let some with initiative get on the council and run it like it should be, that's not scared of an overgrown HUMPTY DUMPTY.

Since: Jul 12

Katy, TX

#40 Nov 5, 2012
another city manager getting fired.
See

SINTON - The Sinton City Council voted tonight to fire City Manager Jackie Knox. It was the first item on the agenda, they took a vote, and in a 3-2 decision, Knox was removed as City Manager.

The three yes votes came from the same three council members who might be facing a recall election and who have battled with Knox on several issues in recent months. Knox and two other council members contended that the decision violated the Open Meetings Act because it was pre-determined and was not properly discussed in open meeting. Knox says he plans to challenge his firing through a lawsuit.

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All these city managers getting fired and lawsuits seem to all involve accusations of violations of the open meetings act.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#41 Nov 5, 2012
Up Up and Away wrote:
another city manager getting fired.
See
SINTON - The Sinton City Council voted tonight to fire City Manager Jackie Knox. It was the first item on the agenda, they took a vote, and in a 3-2 decision, Knox was removed as City Manager.
The three yes votes came from the same three council members who might be facing a recall election and who have battled with Knox on several issues in recent months. Knox and two other council members contended that the decision violated the Open Meetings Act because it was pre-determined and was not properly discussed in open meeting. Knox says he plans to challenge his firing through a lawsuit.
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All these city managers getting fired and lawsuits seem to all involve accusations of violations of the open meetings act.
I guess people may be getting tired of the same old same old stuff. I have heard how much better it is today than it was before. Better than what? It's like being a little bit pregnant, if it's just a little wrong, it's still wrong. There is no little bit when dealing with decisions being made at City Hall. All decisions should be for the good of the Citizens. That should be the first thing, the middle thing and the last thing done with our tax money. The City's only direction should be for our betterment. How is it from your view point? Is it better today?

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