deer park school budget $94,000,000 angers homeowners

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john on Nichols road

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#1 May 22, 2008
Something is definitely wrong when only 2000 votes are cast on school tax budgets. This district has approximately 5,000 students. How could only 2,000 votes be cast. Some say many absentee lomeowners and renters are the reason. Others say, whats the use, we're disgusted. Whatever it is, these taxes are out of control along with spending no matter where you live.
The government now is taking a closer look at all these budgets since the recent scandal in various school districts in New York.
Deer Park is slowly decaying away. For Sale signs are popping up all over and the turnover rate of new homeowners is at an increased rate signifying the neighborhood stability of character is crumbling.
Ask any homeowner why, they will tell you the school taxes are wipping out Long Island. Along with a mortgage, they are paying rent on their property in the form of school tax, some in the tune of $900-$1100 per month.
We need intervention from the State and Washington to take the whole school spending budget over. Let Washington decide how much needs to be spent.
Homeowners are praying that Andrew Coumo will help speed this process along and close the loopholes that are full of scandals and cronies throughout the Island.
We dont even know who does what in our schools, and overlapping responsibilities is common. These budgets certainly need an anchor dropped on them.
FedUp

Bayport, NY

#2 May 22, 2008
john on Nichols road wrote:
Something is definitely wrong when only 2000 votes are cast on school tax budgets. This district has approximately 5,000 students. How could only 2,000 votes be cast. Some say many absentee lomeowners and renters are the reason. Others say, whats the use, we're disgusted. Whatever it is, these taxes are out of control along with spending no matter where you live.
The government now is taking a closer look at all these budgets since the recent scandal in various school districts in New York.
Deer Park is slowly decaying away. For Sale signs are popping up all over and the turnover rate of new homeowners is at an increased rate signifying the neighborhood stability of character is crumbling.
Ask any homeowner why, they will tell you the school taxes are wipping out Long Island. Along with a mortgage, they are paying rent on their property in the form of school tax, some in the tune of $900-$1100 per month.
We need intervention from the State and Washington to take the whole school spending budget over. Let Washington decide how much needs to be spent.
Homeowners are praying that Andrew Coumo will help speed this process along and close the loopholes that are full of scandals and cronies throughout the Island.
We dont even know who does what in our schools, and overlapping responsibilities is common. These budgets certainly need an anchor dropped on them.
Well you have about 300-450 kids that don't belong in the district and about another 800 renters. There is you decay. Welcome to our life. Now just pay your taxes and shut up.
john on Nichols road

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#3 May 22, 2008
More of a reason for the enforcement of homeownership rules to be enforced. I know that I would rather read from more local residents and not any affiliates or employees of the school districts but the truth is in the numbers. This is not going away nor will the reckless responses of individuals make it go away. Perhaps its time to accept absentee ballots due to the many people working two and three jobs to pay these taxes or assist those that are elderly or unable physically to come out and vote. In addition. changing the vote to a Saturday should also be explored.Along with moving the machines out of the schools and using a facility where they can be watched more closely by neutral citizens, outside the districts.
Many Long Island homeowners want change and they want intervention in these runaway expenditures. Add to that mismanaged and imcompetent people in charge of spending. The low turnout of voters in itself reflect a need for revaming the entire process. Thanks
ANDY

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#4 May 22, 2008
WE NEED PRIVATE AUDITORS YEAR ROUND. THE STATE HAS THEM AVAILABLE AND EMPLOYED. THEIR OFFICESS IN PART SUBSTATION IS IN HAUPPAGE. YOU CAN EMAIL ANDREW COUMO AT THE WEB SITE ATTORNEY GENERAL NEW YORK AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.
YOUR RIGHT $94,000,000 IS A BIT OUTLANDISH WHILE THE WAR IS GOING ON AND THE HOME VALUES ARE REALLY LOW IN DEER PARK COMPARED TO ELSEWHERE BUT THAT JUST A GAME THE REALTORS PLAY WITH THE HOMEOWNERS IN THIS AREA. WHAT DOESNT HELP IS THE SCHOOL TAX FAR OUTWEIGHS THE COUNTY TAX.
I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE THREADS AND IT APPEARS THAT MOST OR ALL OF LONG ISLAND IS FED UP. I HOPE THE STATE REVAMPS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. ITS WAY OUT OF CONTROL. JUST LOOKING AT THE VOTERS THAT TURN OUT, REVEALS A BROKEN WHEEL. ARE THEY ALL DOA OR JUST LAZY OR EASILY INTIMIDATED BY THE VAST EMPLOYEE BODY THAT SYS, SHUT UP.
ADD TO THAT ALL THE BUSINESS OWNERS NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES. MANY OF THESE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS AND OTHERS DONT GIVE OUT RECEIPTS. THAT MY FRIEND REVEALS CHEATERS ON THE LOSE. THESE LONG ISLAND TOWNS, ARE BASICALLY EMPTY IN THE ACCOUNTABILITY DEPARTMENT. THERE IS NO IRS INSPECTORS, NO UNDERCOVER INVESTIGATORS AND NO LEADERSHIP IF YOU TAKE A CLOSER LOOK.
Clear Eyes

Rockville Centre, NY

#5 May 22, 2008
Businesses in our community do nothing for our tax base. Tanger should have been a tax boon for us, it is not. The Town of Babylon made sweetheart deals with the developer, behind closed doors. They have a 20 year tax abatement for a project that threatens to be the nail in our coffin. Tanger's contribution,$25K a year in scholarships for 10 years. Whoopty Doo!!

94 million for our little town is INSANE!!!!
melanie

Albany, NY

#6 May 22, 2008
john on Nichols road wrote:
More of a reason for the enforcement of homeownership rules to be enforced. I know that I would rather read from more local residents and not any affiliates or employees of the school districts but the truth is in the numbers. This is not going away nor will the reckless responses of individuals make it go away. Perhaps its time to accept absentee ballots due to the many people working two and three jobs to pay these taxes or assist those that are elderly or unable physically to come out and vote. In addition. changing the vote to a Saturday should also be explored.Along with moving the machines out of the schools and using a facility where they can be watched more closely by neutral citizens, outside the districts.
Many Long Island homeowners want change and they want intervention in these runaway expenditures. Add to that mismanaged and imcompetent people in charge of spending. The low turnout of voters in itself reflect a need for revaming the entire process. Thanks
Your'e right! More voter's are needed and the district does everything to discourage the older residents from getting to the polls. First they hold school events the same night during the vote.(Science Fair and Art show). Second, there is no easy access for seniors to get inside the building. The front driveway is blocked and the parking lots are filled with the parents and kids attending the school events. Of course they know if they attract mostly interested parents that the vote is more likely to be in favor of passing the budget. Most parents of the participants are being subconsciously blackmailed into thinking that our kids will suffer if they vote NO. Oh and by the way, did you see all the wonderful projects on display?

Did anyone see any of the voters being asked for identification when signing in? I know plenty of people that didn't vote. Could I pretend to be someone else and vote more than once so I can help sway the vote? How do we know that doesn't happen?

Why aren't absentee ballots allowed? I know many of my elderly neighbors who would love to vote but are not able to get out because of the conditions I mentioned earlier. By the way, I think I read that Brentwood was waiting to call the results until they counted the absentee ballots. Why do they allow absentee ballots and Deer Park does not?

Deer Parkers, You all need to get more involved in this community because soon we will have a well paid school administration that the state is funding because most of the taxpayers have sold out and more illegals have moved in. Remember they don't pay taxes to the schools when there are five families living in a house sending their kids to our schools! Look at Brentwood. What next?
94 Million Reasons

Rockville Centre, NY

#7 May 22, 2008
You made some excellent points Melanie! I could not believe that I was not asked for ID, like you said, what keeps someone from looking at the books and choosing a registered voter who never votes, and vote using their name.

I could not believe that one of the candidates has a car parked in the circle, like it wasn't hard enough to get around.

The voter turn out was pathetic when you consider our population. It is time to wake up Deer Park, take back your town. GET INVOLVED!!!!!!

Don't assume all is well, it is not, and it is getting worse.
John on Nichols Road

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#8 May 22, 2008
melanie wrote:
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Your'e right! More voter's are needed and the district does everything to discourage the older residents from getting to the polls. First they hold school events the same night during the vote.(Science Fair and Art show). Second, there is no easy access for seniors to get inside the building. The front driveway is blocked and the parking lots are filled with the parents and kids attending the school events. Of course they know if they attract mostly interested parents that the vote is more likely to be in favor of passing the budget. Most parents of the participants are being subconsciously blackmailed into thinking that our kids will suffer if they vote NO. Oh and by the way, did you see all the wonderful projects on display?
Did anyone see any of the voters being asked for identification when signing in? I know plenty of people that didn't vote. Could I pretend to be someone else and vote more than once so I can help sway the vote? How do we know that doesn't happen?
Why aren't absentee ballots allowed? I know many of my elderly neighbors who would love to vote but are not able to get out because of the conditions I mentioned earlier. By the way, I think I read that Brentwood was waiting to call the results until they counted the absentee ballots. Why do they allow absentee ballots and Deer Park does not?
Deer Parkers, You all need to get more involved in this community because soon we will have a well paid school administration that the state is funding because most of the taxpayers have sold out and more illegals have moved in. Remember they don't pay taxes to the schools when there are five families living in a house sending their kids to our schools! Look at Brentwood. What next?
Well said !!!
John on Nichols Road

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#9 May 22, 2008
I did take a walk around the hallway. I was quite impressed with the talent and beautiful art work that the young man and ladies presented. I didnt know that an arts and science fair was even going on. I was just curious but I cme away felling their is alot of talent around town and sadly, the school doesnt even know or lacks vision to present it to all those that came to the school and voted.
I would love to pay one or two students to paint me a mural at home. I would be more then happy to pay them, thats where I want my money to go. So most of these teens will be looking for work in the community, I encourage businesses to solicit the local schools for summer and holiday work. I even told the new commerce bank that we would appreciate that they offer a prograam to high school students to work part time in case they want to seek an avenue and learn banking, just as the Rosyln bank does. I know at lleast two people at Rosyln that are employed at the bank as former students in Deer Park schools.
These kids need help and direction, because sadly there are not alot of jobs out there for them and I really feel the school needs to step up especially with the seniors in grooming them for whatever path they are going to take after high school. Unfortunately I recall parents saying they couldn't afford college, and I really felt bad. I know college is expensive and upon completion finding a job that pays a "fair dollar" to pay off these loans is extremely difficult.
*lease keep this forum going. The public that can vote needs to know, taking a back seat through all this cant continue. Soon well see a 100,000,00 budget and they will still be asking for more. In todays economy I doubt your salary and mine would increase 10% in the next ten years. Thanks for your comment, you are a breath of sanity. We need to help these seniors vote too!
The senior services that the town provides needs to step up to the plate for the next election whether they distribute ballots to them or even provides transportation for them. After all they pay taxes too and some are barely holding on to their homes.Thanks
John on Nichols Road

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#10 May 22, 2008
Clear Eyes wrote:
Businesses in our community do nothing for our tax base. Tanger should have been a tax boon for us, it is not. The Town of Babylon made sweetheart deals with the developer, behind closed doors. They have a 20 year tax abatement for a project that threatens to be the nail in our coffin. Tanger's contribution,$25K a year in scholarships for 10 years. Whoopty Doo!!
94 million for our little town is INSANE!!!!
I may add if you were able to view the campaign contributions and the war chest that were counted that year for our top gun, as noted in Newsdays report on campaign contributions, a substantial increase was noted in someones war chest that we all know. It went to six digits. Nice....

I can tell you, I am not pleased with the way Babylon is rendering services as compared with the village. I call them periodically to clean the street after sanitation picks up the garbage they turn your pails upside down , so now you have some other task and chore, clean up after the town removes you garbage, and cut the grass at the sumps and call the utility for light poles that are either ooo or blocked by trees and old poorly luminated bulbs on deer park avenue. The avenue lighting is terrible.
The town workers have GPS tracking now in the vehicles, so they drive around deer park avenue and local streets to keep moving with no agenda or supervision. Did you ever notice that dirt road behind the tremendous mound of dirt on Long Island Avenue? Where the rock filled snad is kept to apply in the winter to our streets? What a great place to disappear behind. We'll save that for another forum.
John on Nichols Road

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#11 May 22, 2008
I thought this was a joke but its not. This is what is most important to suffolk county government, not the children of taxpayers.
www.suffolkcountyunleashed.com
Check it out.
94 Million Reasons

Rockville Centre, NY

#12 May 22, 2008
John, I applaud your community concern. I agree, let's keep the discussion going.

The community working together is the only way to improve things
melanie

Brooklyn, NY

#13 May 22, 2008
Anyone interested in letting our school board hear your concerns, contact the board at their website message board at http://www.deerparkboe.com/message_board.asp

Next board meeting at the HS is May 27th. Plan on attending and try to get yourselves heard. Our teachers inspire our kids, they deserve a "fair" raise. The superintendents did not! The board unanimously voted to extend Ms. Marino's contract an additional 2 years when she still had 2 years left to her original contract... and they made her $9000 raise retroactive to July!(Salary plus benefits now exceed $225,000). They changed Caliguri's title to asst superintendent... and then voted him a raise.(that was last year).
Mr Levenstien (double-dipper) hired as interim asst superintendent of business and finance at a salary of $850 per day.($187,000 per year). Did our BOE find a permanent replacement yet?

I am a civil servant also and am not allowed to strike. I had to endure over a year without a contract or raise. What we finally got was three years at 3% increases and the 4th year we'll get a big 4%. Like I said, teachers deserve a "fair" raise, but we can't afford to keep up with all the rising costs if our salaries are not keeping up with the rate of inflation.

Check out that site and let them know how you feel. http://www.deerparkboe.com/message_board.asp
94 Million Reasons

Rockville Centre, NY

#14 May 23, 2008
melanie wrote:
Anyone interested in letting our school board hear your concerns, contact the board at their website message board at http://www.deerparkboe.com/message_board.asp
Next board meeting at the HS is May 27th. Plan on attending and try to get yourselves heard. Our teachers inspire our kids, they deserve a "fair" raise. The superintendents did not! The board unanimously voted to extend Ms. Marino's contract an additional 2 years when she still had 2 years left to her original contract... and they made her $9000 raise retroactive to July!(Salary plus benefits now exceed $225,000). They changed Caliguri's title to asst superintendent... and then voted him a raise.(that was last year).
Mr Levenstien (double-dipper) hired as interim asst superintendent of business and finance at a salary of $850 per day.($187,000 per year). Did our BOE find a permanent replacement yet?
I am a civil servant also and am not allowed to strike. I had to endure over a year without a contract or raise. What we finally got was three years at 3% increases and the 4th year we'll get a big 4%. Like I said, teachers deserve a "fair" raise, but we can't afford to keep up with all the rising costs if our salaries are not keeping up with the rate of inflation.
Check out that site and let them know how you feel. http://www.deerparkboe.com/message_board.asp
Go Melanie!

Remember, they will not post any negativity on the message board, but they do read it.

Better yet, show up at the meetings and question everything. When they try to berate and belittle you, and they will, stand them down.

Remind them that the are elected to represent US, not their own personal agendas.

Time to take back out district and our town!!!
John on Nichols Road

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#15 May 23, 2008
It wouldn't be fair to comment on the teacher raises but I can understand your fustration on salary. I would like to teel you that many companies and many agencies today have revamped operations. Those positions are responsible to cut cost and find waste. For their effort some receive a reward based on the savings. I am sure you as a teacher you could express to those that represent you and also to the board at an appropriate time the concept of embracing rewards for cost cutting ideas that are accepted in the district.
Your union leader could better answer your concerns on the raise you received. I am sure you are an outstanding example of a teacher but in all due respect in these times of national economic downward trends, it may be extremely difficult to provide a raise over what the boss could pay at any employment level or position of importance.
lETS EXPLORE SOME SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS TO CUT THE FAT. With that thought in mind, I am sure you would consider suggestions as where we can save and what is absolutely necessary to provide a decent education in a wholesome learning environment.
With your experience and imput and the new found monies, I would be considerate in your next contract and also lowering the taxpayers excessive expenses to float this expense.

Yes, its time for a change,and we are all part of this, but one ego battling another ego will never lead to anything other then disarray and anger.I'm not angry but when I look at the school operating expenses and as someone else said the appearance of the outside of the school is not up to the standards of another school or even the taxpayers, and school trips provided by one school to Washington DC are not afforded to another, someone has to say something, we can do better. Our children will someday leave us and they need to be better prepared to explore areas outside of Deer Park and the local eateries and playing fields. A trip to Washington DC, a partnership with local businesses to provide tours and demonstrations would be just a wonderful way to get youg peoples minds moving forward and stimulated in addressin ghte may issues we are faced with today. Thanks
A council of adjoining districts could formulate a strong body consisting of BOE representatives and citizens of the community. We need to think and act more like a business then an agency. Thanks
melanie

Albany, NY

#16 May 23, 2008
Let me clarify something. I said I am a civil servant, However I am not employed as a teacher. I work for a government agency and I was trying to make a point by saying we were grateful to get our 3%-3%-3%-4% raises after a year of negotiations. The teachers deserve a raise, but it must be in keeping with the ability of the taxpayers to handle it. Stop the huge raises and perks to the administrators and divide it more evenly and fairly to the people responsible for teaching our children!
94 Million Reasons

Rockville Centre, NY

#17 May 23, 2008
"Yes, its time for a change,and we are all part of this, but one ego battling another ego will never lead to anything other then disarray and anger."

John, very well stated!! I could not agree more!
94 Million Reasons

Rockville Centre, NY

#18 May 23, 2008
melanie wrote:
Let me clarify something. I said I am a civil servant, However I am not employed as a teacher. I work for a government agency and I was trying to make a point by saying we were grateful to get our 3%-3%-3%-4% raises after a year of negotiations. The teachers deserve a raise, but it must be in keeping with the ability of the taxpayers to handle it. Stop the huge raises and perks to the administrators and divide it more evenly and fairly to the people responsible for teaching our children!
Melanie, you and John make sound, reasonable points. Please, spread your message through our community so that we may come together for our common goal of doing what is best for our children and our community.

I thank you both for your level headed responses.
John on Nichols Road

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#19 May 23, 2008
melanie wrote:
Let me clarify something. I said I am a civil servant, However I am not employed as a teacher. I work for a government agency and I was trying to make a point by saying we were grateful to get our 3%-3%-3%-4% raises after a year of negotiations. The teachers deserve a raise, but it must be in keeping with the ability of the taxpayers to handle it. Stop the huge raises and perks to the administrators and divide it more evenly and fairly to the people responsible for teaching our children!
Thank you for clarifying that. I 'm intotal agreement on the percentage. If the company doesn't have the money, you cant expect it in a raise. Looking at the recent increases given out, I really beleive that it should of been used to reduce the taxpayers amount across the board. These raises dont make any sense at all. I dont know anyone who fairs as well as the top people in the board of Ed. Does anybody know really what the job requirements are to deserve such an exhorbant amount.
I really would like to know more about perks. How these were ever given out reveals training is necessary, to lower the expenditures.
ANDY

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#20 May 29, 2008
I cant beleive they are trying to continue business as usual. This board at Deer Park should have the courage to stand up now that they are re elected and tell the public the truth about many matters. There is a somethere making over 200,000 dollars a year? For what, to keep up pace with other school phoney balloneys or another nodding suit. The salary should be based on what the taxpayers could afford which isnt even 130,000. How about 3 assistant superintendents....WWWhhhhhoaa a

How much are they making. I guess since growing up watching the 3 muskateers and Moe, Larry and curley we need 3 of everything also. What a joke. I hope they fire Mills soon , so auditors will climb all over the place and find where all this money is going.
Think about it. All the schools have looked the same for 25 years, No new shrubs, nothing, same broken gates and rusty railing , same ruts in the ground too.
Statistics reveal no unusual amount of kids going to college etc,etc,etcd. But guess what, its the parents that are the success story. But when your done with high school flee this mon ey pit called BOE

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