Who do you side with in Ferguson?
hal

Castle Cove, Australia

#1434 Aug 27, 2014
Stumpy wrote:
I am still on the fence about who the bad guy was in this situation, but something is bothering me. So many people have commented on the reaction of the officer and suggesting how he should have handled it. If the officer was truly in danger, I can assume he took whatever action needed to protect his life. How many of you are police officers? How many of you have been victims of violent crimes? Nobody can say what they would do when push came to shove and they were in a fight for their life. IF this officer was truly protecting his life how can we judge him for the amount of shots it took him?,
I had a friend here who was an experienced police officer who was confronted by a woman who had just killed someone, advancing on him still with the same knife in her hand, clearly in a daze.
He was mightily relieved when she obeyed his instruction to put the knife down, as he was that close to discharging his firearm directly at her.
It troubled him a lot how close he had come to killing her.
In your country the humanity seems obscured by being part of an authority obedience construct.
Something seems to have been lost in the mix somewhere in your pursuit of a free and peaceful society.
hal

Castle Cove, Australia

#1435 Aug 27, 2014
WTSenior wrote:
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YOUR Freedom of Speech ends, when it violates somebody else's Freedoms...and threatening to kill the President definitely falls in that category of Violating Somebody else's Freedoms!
You're a total Idiot for even THINKING you can do that, and not bring the wrath of the Law down on your stupid head, even if you are a Full-fledged Moron!
And if you're a stupid Kid, they'll put your Parents through the wringer of having to explain your idiotic behavior and why you behave the way you do!
A death threat is not a freedom of speech issue.
In any country.
Like shouting 'fire' in in a crowded theatre.
hal

Castle Cove, Australia

#1437 Aug 27, 2014
WTSenior wrote:
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A Police Officer doesn't make the Laws, they ONLY enforce the Laws made by Others in the Govt., Local, State, or Federal.
As for the Drug Laws, those are made to protect People from their own stupidity, to keep from bankrupting the Gov't., the Taxpayers, because somebody has to pay for the Drug Users medical treatment (Rehab) and overdoses, because most of them aren't able to work because of their drug use, and the Others won't work because they can make more money, manufacturing and Dealing drugs, and can't pass the drug tests to get hired.
Then, as you touched on, there's the innocent victims of Drug Users, which means hiring more Law Enforcement to deal with the Thefts, the DUI accidents, and trying to prevent the Drug Users from victimizing and harming the rest of Society, and it just goes on and on...
My personal opinion is that, DRUGS are the root cause of the single most destructive force our Society has ever known, and it's tentacles and ramifications reach into almost every aspect of our Societal problems. And I don't know if legalizing them would make those problems better or worse.
But, I DO know that there are a LOT of People and Businesses, not directly involved with the illegal Drug Trade, that are making a LOT of money off the Illegal Drug Trade, including Members of our Govt. on the Local, State, and Federal level!
The drugs debacle only came about when Prohibition collapsed.
They couldn't bring themselves to dismantle all that anti alcohol infrastructure, so they just shifted focus, and turned what had never been a problem into the monstrosity we see today.
I'm 73, and have seen that nothing issue morph into this phony "war on drugs" just in my adult lifetime.
It's stupid beyond belief!
hal

Castle Cove, Australia

#1441 Aug 27, 2014
Mugsy wrote:
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There is absolutely no metric outside of a quantitative eased stock market that has improved under Obama since his inception. In fact, he has presided over some of, if not, the worst economic numcers in the history of this country. His jobs plan has been disastrous and arguably the worst of any president in office. Then there is his historic spending levels that has led us to a $17 trillion dollar debt. Needless to say, Obama and the Democrats have been nothing but unmitigated disasters the past six years in control.
Jobs are now dying.
The automation era has begun at last.
WE are heading now into an entirely new economic construct where jobs as we understand them will cease to exist, and accordingly, the conventional economic construct upon which all economic orthodoxy rests, will cease to function.
Oh dear!
We have a problem.
Where will we find our replacement?
And with only the new morality to guide us!
It's already happening, mostly seen in youth unemployment around the world.
As yet.
At the very least we will have to create and give money away for no work at all.
Ah, utopia!!!!
hal

Castle Cove, Australia

#1443 Aug 27, 2014
Mugsy wrote:
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There is absolutely no metric outside of a quantitative eased stock market that has improved under Obama since his inception. In fact, he has presided over some of, if not, the worst economic numcers in the history of this country. His jobs plan has been disastrous and arguably the worst of any president in office. Then there is his historic spending levels that has led us to a $17 trillion dollar debt. Needless to say, Obama and the Democrats have been nothing but unmitigated disasters the past six years in control.
Debt's never a problem.
That's what inflation is for.
Take from the rich.
Transfer to the poor.
Robin Hood!
Inflation is your friend
Imagine,$17 trillion over 100 years at a quarter of a per cent a year, that's a repay of $21.25 trillion by 2114, but rollable over for yet another 100 year term as/if required.
Unlikely, as by 2114 GDP would likely reach $10 quadrillion, a five hundredfold increase.
Neat, eh????
LOL!!!
Remember Britain only just finished paying off her war debts a few years back, and that took just 60 years.
hal

Castle Cove, Australia

#1444 Aug 27, 2014
legalize420 wrote:
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The country is in no more debt then before probably less if Rep get in office this country will be doomed no jobs just like before
Conservatives always seem to suffer from the glooms, don't they?
Their God must be a miser!!!!
hal

Castle Cove, Australia

#1445 Aug 27, 2014
WTSenior wrote:
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My advise to you is, if a Cop tells you to shut your mouth, the smartest thing for you to do is, to shut your mouth! You'll get your chance to speak at the appropriate time and in the appropriate venue. But until then, it's the Cops venue, and his authority rules!
That's the problem in the US, this unswerving belief in the "virtues" of authority.
It's a collective dementia!!!!
hal

Castle Cove, Australia

#1447 Aug 27, 2014
Mugsy wrote:
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What planet are you residing on? Where have you been hiding the past six years since Obama was inaugurated? You do realize he has added more debt than all presidents combined in an unfathomable six years span? Certainly you know he has presided over one of the worst jobs plan ever in our country right? That said, people like you shouldn't even be allowed to vote. You haven't the slightest clue as to what's going on.
You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope!
If you vote, omg, we're all doomed!!!!
Love it or leave it

Philadelphia, PA

#1448 Aug 27, 2014
Eric holder needs to be removed he has made too many statements proving he is biased
The truth

United States

#1454 Aug 27, 2014
It's all about race
A black cop shit a white kid in Utah the other day nothin was said . No media no news no fox no cnn no hln what the hell is wrong with that picture . It's all about the blacks and how they are be so mistreated !!! I call bullshit
independent common sense

Coffeyville, KS

#1457 Aug 27, 2014
Weird 0ne 2 wrote:
I should correct that ... he was jaywalking and cop instructed him to move to sidewalk. Yes, they should have done that. Then cop reverses back to them because they hadn't abided by his instructions. He was pulling kid into his car ... and then ? Six shots until dead ? Really, there was no other way? The cop wasn't in control until kid was dead. He should have acted after he was in a position to do so. Like outside of his car with gun drawn if necessary.
That is bs! All you have to even suggest that the officer was "pulling" a black kid three times his size into his car is the word of the thief and proven liar that was with him. I hardly think his testimony will be given much reference in a court of law even though it seems to be enough for blacks. Could be because the story he tells of course shows them as just "minding their own business" and doing nothing wrong.....in other words it shows them as the victims and that is always the preferred status of racist blacks.
take no chances

Newport, AR

#1460 Aug 27, 2014
it dosen't matter what color if you get in car with a policeman fighting him with knife ,gun or fists,your taking your your life in your own hands.they put they life on then line for ours ever day. thank you and god bless for protecting our familys

Since: Aug 14

Warwick, RI

#1462 Aug 27, 2014
red wrote:
How can you "side" with anyone when the facts haven't been presented? All you see is biased reporting. Let the real truth come out before passing judgements on either side.
I agree with you. Who can say anything, we were not eye witnesses. Thank you!!
Gun Saftey Advocate

Aberdeen, MD

#1463 Aug 27, 2014
Bird wrote:
Thug..? Without a doubt..., but 7 shots including forearms and back..? That man needs to be held responsible..#
No, he needs more range time.
justified

Mount Hope, WV

#1466 Aug 27, 2014
topix wrote:
This is a Topix site-wide discussion about the shooting and racial tension in Ferguson, MO. Have your say by leaving a comment below.
Wilson is a murderer

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#1467 Aug 27, 2014
I hate it when people are trying to force you to pick a side.
Mugsy

United States

#1469 Aug 27, 2014
WTSenior wrote:
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How many Jobs Bills has Obama presented to the TEApublican-controlled House and they would NOT pass any of them? How Many???
Do you even know how much Obama has lowered the Deficit since He took Office? I know you don't! So READ THIS:
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"U.S. Deficit Cut By Almost One-Third To $492 Billion: CBO."
"The U.S. government’s deficit will fall to $492 billion this year, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a steeper drop than originally predicted from $680 billion in fiscal year 2013.
The 2014 deficit will be 2.8 percent of the economy, according to CBO, almost 32 percent below fiscal year 2013, when it was 4.1 percent. The deficit will shrink again in fiscal 2015 to $469 billion, before rising to about $1 trillion in fiscal years 2022 to 2024, CBO said.
“This will be the fifth consecutive year in which the deficit has declined as a share of GDP since peaking at 9.8 percent in 2009,” CBO said in a report released today. The 2.8 figure as a percentage of gross domestic product is lower than the 3.1 percent average of the last 40 years, CBO said."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-14/u-s-...
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Now, listen to some more of that Fox Fake News Bullsh*t, why don't you?
And I'm not through, I'm going to find the Link to prove how many Jobs Bills that Obama has presented to you TEApublican-controlled Congress and YOUR sorry TEApublicans WOULD NO PASS THEM! I'm TIRED of these Damn Lies blaming Obama for EVERYTHING that the TEApublicans are responsible for!!!
Firstly, I'm not sure what's funnier between how ornery you sound or the inveterate lies you just posted? The sad thing is you actually believe that crap because you're just another typical low information voting Obama supporter.

Secondly, the sources you just posted are clear and arrant lies. Obama's track fiscal track record is unfathomable especially when he's added more debt than every other president combined. While it is true that the deficit has gone down thanks to the Republicans and the past sequestration, Obama still averages over a trillion dollars a year. More specifically, he has added over seven trillion dollars since 2008 to bring our National Debt to over $17 trillion. It is honestly not that hard to cut the deficit when he was already averaging record levels. By the way, there's a reason why this country received its first credit downgrade under Obama.

Thirdly, your source regarding the GDP is more laughable than your post. In fact, Obama last quarter numbers went down three percentage points to the red, which is the worst since the Great Depression. In fact, his overall numbers are one of, if not, the worst in American history. He has averaged under 2%, which is beyond pathetic.

As for your jobs claims, they are more dismal than his ability to pass a budget, which is non existent. Obama's track record creating jobs is laughable borderline cumbersome, which is why the U6 and labor participation rate is the worst since the Great Depression as well. He has been an unmitigated disaster with absolutely no clue on how to create jobs. Never has this country seen a worse jobs plan than Obama's. That's also why there are more part time jobs along with the median income average down $5,000.

That said, you are just another misguided Obama follower who has no clue about what you're talking about. You are just citing obscure sources. Obama's a failure and you need to deal with. I know your hero has let you down as evidenced by your anger, but that was to be expected. I'm not sure why you thought a low life shady pettifogging community organizer was going to be able to run a country when he has absolutely no experience? What an incompetent disaster he has been. Worst. So called president. Ever.
MDH

Mount Hope, WV

#1470 Aug 27, 2014
Gregory Bryant wrote:
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I agree with you. Who can say anything, we were not eye witnesses. Thank you!!
I know of a Gregory Scott Bryant in Taylorsvilee NC . He married a girl named Christy that has genital warts and HERPES. Her mom [Wanda Deal] is a liar thief and out of her damn mind-ALL while hiding behind her involvement in a Bapitist church. Wouldn't be you would it?
Mugsy

United States

#1471 Aug 27, 2014
hal wrote:
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You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope!
If you vote, omg, we're all doomed!!!!
Only a low information voting liberal would fault someone for having the facts. It's like the blind leading the blind with you liberals. Too bad so sad!
Blacktigershark

Kingston, Jamaica

#1472 Aug 27, 2014
NONE of the people that you have mentioned below were killed BY THE STATE law enforcement officers, Dingus, so that is why you don't see Jesse or Al at these scenes...also, you admittedly stated that there was no national news coverage on the situation...likely the same thing when a White civilian kills a Black civilian...you also conveniently left out circumstances and details, as there may have been some killings that were justified, which would have kept these killings from hitting the national stage, like a White person trespassing on a Black person's property, for example!

It is dinguses like you that like to skew the issues here, but until you come up with a list of beatings or killings of White suspects (that were either surrendering to the law, or were co-operative during their arrest) by law enforcement officers, then you are simply bringing up non-relevant situations, Dingus.

Do some homework, and get back to us...we would equally protest against the beatings or killings of White suspects just as much as we protest against the beating or killings of Black suspects by the police, when those suspects (Black or White) either surrendered to the law, or were co-operative during their arrest!
Dingess wrote:
Where was Jessie & Al when all of these white people were being murdered?...
7/18- Jimmie Norman, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/18- Terry Taylor, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/17- Cindy Raygoza, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/11- Luis Aguilar, 91 year old hispanic male murdered by black male. No
national news.
7/10- Brittany Simpson, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Sarah Goode, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Jeffrey Westerfield, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/5- Perry Renn, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/3- Laurey Kennedy, white female still in coma from beating by black male. No
national news
7/3 Eric Mollet, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Rupert Anderson, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Jennifer Kingeter, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
6/30 Jim Brennan, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/29 Paul Shephard, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Shirley Barone, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Penelope Spencer, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Inga Evans, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/26 Jake Rameau, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/25 Gina Burger, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/24 Nathan Dasher, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/22 Jonathan Price, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/20 John Whitmore, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/18 John Yingling,white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/17 Allyn Reeves, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/15 Michael Beaver, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Angela Cook, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Nathan Hall, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/7 Harry Briggs, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/5 Laura Bachman, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/2 Robert Mohler, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/1 William Headley, white male, murdered by black male. No national news
Now do you see us white people rioting, burning our towns down and looting "stealing" from our local businesses? No you do not. Why? Because we have got more since than that. These people look for a reason to riot. Always throwing the race card out there. There is no one more racist than the black community.

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