Dairy can't put waste on fields, judg...

Dairy can't put waste on fields, judge says

There are 16 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jun 17, 2007, titled Dairy can't put waste on fields, judge says. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

A judge has prohibited a rural Huntington County dairy from spreading manure from its 1,400 cows.

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joe

Bedford, IN

#1 Jun 17, 2007
The government should leave Mr. Degroot alone,they have been trying to close him up for years.Farmers have been putting manure on feilds for many mant years. They only want to drive out the smaller farmer. The government sticks its nose into far to many things to improve,but only tear down what took people hundreds of years to build up.
former farmer

Erlanger, KY

#2 Jun 17, 2007
degroot has as much right to do with the manure as he wishes. just 40-50- yrs ago. manure was applied to fields for fertilizer and disposal. maybe instead of "hiring an applicator" he can purchase something to do the job. non farm folk have no idea where their food comes from anymore and what it takes to grow it.
IDEM what a joke

United States

#3 Jun 17, 2007
IDEM is doing something about manure on farm fields, while doing nothing about the lead in our water. Good place to put your efforts IDEM.
muncie

Muncie, IN

#4 Jun 17, 2007
You hicks need to stop crying...
ANDY AND BARNEY

Maroa, IL

#5 Jun 17, 2007
JUST BAN FARMS ALL TOGETHER THATS WHAT THEDEVELOPERS WANT AND THEY RUN THE POLITICS.CEMENT FROM NORTH TO SOUTH AND EAST TO WEST.THAT WILL BE SOOOOOO GOOD FOR US ALL!!!!!!!!! NOT
Appreciate The Farmers

Greencastle, IN

#6 Jun 17, 2007
Leave the guy and his farm alone. The government is way to quick to step in on matters that are none of their business. There are plenty of other matters that they could be focusing on. And to the guy that says you Hicks need to stop crying. I am sure that you are completely unaware of the ignorance in your statement.
freeasabird

Lagro, IN

#7 Jun 17, 2007
IDEM needs to focus their efforts on companies that really are polluting the environment! What an ignorant statement from the guy in Muncie! Obviously, he doesn't understand what it takes for farmers to put food on HIS FAMILY'S TABLE each day! What are the "city folk" going to do when the government shuts down all the farms that produce the meat that people like to indulge in every day? Remember that Indiana is one of the fattest states in the USA, so many of you city folk around here do like to eat! Stop bad mouthing the farmer or stop eating! Or would you prefer we import all of our food from places that don't have the same food safety standards? You choose!
just reading

Houtzdale, PA

#8 Jun 17, 2007
thats about stupid. glad to see them comply ... but "drive a lawful family farm out of business because of political pressure, but without reliable scientific evidence that the farm has violated the law". come on! poop is poop is poop! if its yours or someone elses! keep it away from natural resources!
FOR THE PEOPLE

United States

#9 Jun 17, 2007
If manure is not good then we need to outlaw politician's, media people, actors, liberals and lawyers.
CAFO Educator

Fruitland, ID

#10 Jun 25, 2007
It never ceases to amaze me the level of ignorance all across the country. I guarantee you IDEM knows and can PROVE that this was DeGroot "dumping" his waste. The fact that DeGroot's lawyer says they will comply should tell you somthing - this was a way for him to "save face" and not have to pay a $25,000.00 a day fine for Clean Water Act violations (which he probably should have to, to offset the clean-up costs). For you non-farmers, manure application the way my dad and grandpa did it was SUSTAINABLE, and applied at what is known in the farming world as agronomically correct rates. What these mega factory farms do is DUMP their waste UNTREATED on the ground. Another HUGE difference between the CAFOs of today, and the family owned dairies of yesterday - Dad and Grandpa weren't pumping their milking cows full of hormones -RBGH, or antibiotics day in day out. One other thought before I leave you - It is now WELL DOCUMENTED that these industrial animal production factories are MAJOR contributors to the creation of superbugs. Approximately 70% of all human class antibiotics are routinely applied at sub-therapeutic levels to livestock. Johns Hopkins has done some excellent work on this. If you REALLY want to know what these type of mega dairies are all about go to www.factoryfarm.org In fact there is ANOTHER article on that site that just came out today about CAFOs and their role in the creation of superbugs.

Some of you will chose to keep your head in the sand - but I am hopeful that the rest of you will be concerned enough to at least start to research these operations.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Jun 25, 2007
"DeGroot must either pump and haul the manure to a waste treatment facility or hire a third-party "custom manure applicator" to manage the manure generated at the farm."

Doesn't sound like "Dairy can't put waste on fields" to me.

What the story didn't say was, will any cows let out to pasture have to wear diapers? How else can the farmer comply with the court's order?
CAFO Educator

Fruitland, ID

#12 Jun 25, 2007
Uh Clem wrote:
"DeGroot must either pump and haul the manure to a waste treatment facility or hire a third-party "custom manure applicator" to manage the manure generated at the farm."
Doesn't sound like "Dairy can't put waste on fields" to me.
What the story didn't say was, will any cows let out to pasture have to wear diapers? How else can the farmer comply with the court's order?
Clem,

My guess, DeGroot's cows are probably like most of the rest of the dairy cows in factory farms - THEY NEVER STEP FOOT ON PASTURE. What IDEM is saying is that this operator does not have nearly enough land to apply his cow sh*t at a rate where crops could uptake the nitrogen and phosphorus. The most common way that pollutants reach surface waters or leach into groundwater is through improper land application. CAFOs frequently overapply animal waste to nearby fields, where it mixes with rainwater and runs off into rivers and lakes. The nutrient-rich runoff alters the chemical composition of receiving waters, and triggers a surge in algae and other aquatic vegetative growth. This vegetative growth can choke out fish and other marine life, and lead to increased treatment requirements for drinking water supplies (think City of Waco, TX). According to the EPA, "over-enrichment of waters by nutrients (nitrogen and phosphorus)is the biggest overall source of impairment of the nation's rivers and streams, lakes and reservoirs, and estuaries. In addition, this contamination poses serious risks to human health. Manure-related microbes in water can cause severe gastrointestinal disease, complications and even death. In May, 2000 in Walkerton, Ontario, an estimated 2,321 people become ill and seven died after drinking water from a municipal well contaminated with E-Coli and Camplyobacter from runoff resulting from manure spread onto fields by a nearby livestock operation. I could go on and on...but I bet you've got the big picture now.

THIS IS WHY IDEM DID WHAT THEY DID - TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF INDIANA. They should be praised for doing their job and protecting the public's health. I would give my eye teeth to have an agency in charge that actually DOES something instead of turning a blind eye, while extending a hand for their under the table "donation". Instead of giving the IDEM folks a hard time, you should be sending emails thanking them for protecting you. Just my thoughts ...
third party applicator

Clayton, MI

#13 Mar 22, 2008
CAFO educator, You need to change your name from CAFO educator to CAFO basher, You are miss informing people about the supposedly nasty ramifications of CAFO, There as been no proven situations of CAFO's they are all possibly, supposedly, alleged, might have, could have, etc. It is like every industry there are a couple of bad ones, same in the trucking idustry, the CAFO educator industry, the manufacturing industry, etc. those are the ones everyone focuses on. I will tell you that only about 10% of the US crops are fertilized with manure, the rest is commercial fertilizer which is not nearly as acceptable to a growing crop. If manure was not a dark color you would not know which was in the stream, manure or commercial fertilizer
Robin Lee

South Bend, IN

#14 Nov 17, 2008
I think he should be able to sell/give away the manure to people with farm feilds/gardens, it is alot cheeper to fertalize with that (and safer) than to buy the store bought kind. I live in the city and have a garden I use manure in my garden and it grows better than others I have seen with the store junk. Also it dont really smell bad IF you till it in after speading it out. My husband will spread and till every spring and fall and others have not noticed a smell becouse of it.
Slayer

Valparaiso, IN

#15 Nov 17, 2008
Let him move his operation back to his own country !
They don't want to deal with all the wast either !
just reading

Valparaiso, IN

#16 Nov 18, 2008
joe wrote:
The government should leave Mr. Degroot alone,they have been trying to close him up for years.Farmers have been putting manure on feilds for many mant years. They only want to drive out the smaller farmer. The government sticks its nose into far to many things to improve,but only tear down what took people hundreds of years to build up.
I totally agree. I think they need to be concerned about human waste going into the rivers around huntington.

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