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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#45803 Jan 16, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Because then liquor would cost about 30% less, as it does here in California. Not to mention having a far larger selection of beer, wine, and liquor and being able to buy all three at the supermarket. As well as being able to buy beer by the six-pack instead of by the case.
Why would anybody want that savings and convenience and lose the opportunity to deal with those wonderful people at the state liquor stores?
I generally don't get into the PA booze laws.

It's a bit weird here. You can buy up to 2 6-packs at the local pizza shop (more expensive). For cases of beer, you need to go to a beer distributor (private business). Wine and hard liquor is state stores.

A number of years back, they got a business guy to run the state stores.(Joe Conti?) He changed those stores quite a bit. Some stores are open on Sunday. They experimented with having state stores in supermarkets. You can order cases of a favored wine over the internet and pick up at the store. The big one was using the buying power to negotiate discounts from suppliers.

As a consumer, it doesn't really bother me. Prices are competitive (used to run to Delaware ages ago. Heard Jersey was cheaper but that means going to Jersey - bridge tolls.) and you make your plans around the store hours like anything else.

Now I'm also in a major metropolitan area so my state store experience may differ than in the rural parts of the state.

If the state stores were privatized, what I could see happening is a most business catering to the most popular products. There would be a few specialty stores that go for off beat brands but you'll have to search them out. Pretty much a wash there.

Maybe I'm missing something, but this particular issue is just "meh" to me. Whether the state stores are privatized, the booze tax is still going to be there.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#45804 Jan 16, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Only fools, mostly the poor, would gamble with a 50% gross return. Even the Mafia paid 60% for the numbers.
The lottery mostly sucks welfare money and Social Security checks from the poor. The wealthy are wealthy because they are smarter that that.
If the mafia paid off a big winner...

There was a murder here a couple of years ago. The news reported that it was a result of who was "more Irish". Word on the street was, guy hit an underground lottery for 70g. And when he went to collect, he won a baseball bat to the head.

And yeah... playing the lottery is not a retirement plan.

But trying to live off 3 part time jobs at minimum wage (if you can get them) isn't going to yield a decent retirement plan either.
Lottery

Greencastle, PA

#45805 Jan 16, 2013
If casinos or racetracks took 50% of the money wagered they would be empty. Def. of lottery "is a tax on the stupid."

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#45806 Jan 16, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly, you don't understand management contracts.
Then educate me. Point me to a link where I can learn.

Would that management contracting company be forced to publicly show their books like this:

(PDF Warning)
http://lbfc.legis.state.pa.us/reports/2012/62...

More importantly, will that external manager be able to beat the Administrative costs as shown on page 19 on the above link?

Administrative Costs. For the years FY 2001-02 through FY 2010-11, Pennsylvania’s Lottery sales increased by two-thirds, and its administrative costs nearly doubled. However, administrative costs as a percent of total sales remained below 3 percent, ranging from a low of 1.97 percent in FY 2001-02 to a high of 2.65 percent FY 2007-08) and averaged 2.35 percent for the 10 years. See Table 8. As shown
Table 8
Administrative Costs as a Percent of Lottery Sales
FY 2001-02 Through FY 2010-11
($000)
Fiscal Year Sales Administrative Costs Administrative Costs as Percent of Sales
2001-02 .....$1,934,164 $38,119 1.97%
2002-03 ..... 2,132,981 47,873 2.24
2003-04 ..... 2,352,072 57,499 2.44
2004-05 ..... 2,644,856 63,423 2.40
2005-06 ..... 3,070,268 63,444 2.07
2006-07 ..... 3,076,339 74,851 2.43
2007-08 ..... 3,089,188 81,843 2.65
2008-09 ..... 3,088,162 73,912 2.39
2009-10 ..... 3,065,717 76,601 2.50
2010-11 ..... 3,207,908 73,698 2.30

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#45807 Jan 17, 2013
Lottery wrote:
If casinos or racetracks took 50% of the money wagered they would be empty. Def. of lottery "is a tax on the stupid."
It's a government thing, so it's a tax, eh?

What word would you use for the skimming of money from gamblers at racetracks and casinos? Profit?

The difference is the profit from the lottery goes back into things that benefit (mostly, senior) citizens of the state vs. casinos benefiting a few people.
chrs

Pittsburgh, PA

#45808 Jan 17, 2013
Just pooped my pants.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#45809 Jan 17, 2013
chrs wrote:
Just pooped my pants.
Congrats! You met the criteria.

Here's a TEA party application form.
Franklin Templeton

Washington, DC

#45810 Jan 17, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Because then liquor would cost about 30% less, as it does here in California. Not to mention having a far larger selection of beer, wine, and liquor and being able to buy all three at the supermarket. As well as being able to buy beer by the six-pack instead of by the case.
Why would anybody want that savings and convenience and lose the opportunity to deal with those wonderful people at the state liquor stores?
No kidding in liberal California too. That TaxNoMore idiot should be a happy as a pig in sh.it then.
Franklin Templeton

Baltimore, MD

#45815 Jan 17, 2013
TaxNoMore wrote:
<quoted text>
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happy as a pig in sh.it
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30 pack of Coors light about $17,00 + CRV @ rite aid drug stores open til 12.00
..........
30 pack of Coors light about $20.00 + CRV @ Ralph's open 24hrs.
Coors, Bud, Miller or Tecate
When you buy 2 in a single transaction.
Limit one offer per household.
Single unit retail $21.99 each with Card, Plus CRV Select
Varieties, 30 pk, 12 oz Cans, Plus CRV Must Buy 2
FINAL COST $17.99 EA. WITH CARD
.
.
happy as a pig in sh.it
I'm really jealous....

I'd be more jealous if I liked booze but I don't really care for the brain destroying properties that can really affect one's judgement...

Sound familiar.....it should...you're brain isn't working properly.
Dr Smith

Clearfield, PA

#45818 Jan 17, 2013
Franklin Templeton wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm really jealous....
I'd be more jealous if I liked booze but I don't really care for the brain destroying properties that can really affect one's judgement...
Sound familiar.....it should...you're brain isn't working properly.
Do you ever follow anyone around other than TaxNoMore? You're always humping his posts, accusing him of this and that yet you do the same thing. Take a good look at your own posts then ask yourself who is the one with mental problems.
Dr Smith

Clearfield, PA

#45823 Jan 17, 2013
Did this really happen? I don't know, but it's sure worth reading and makes sense.

-----

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A....(substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#45824 Jan 17, 2013
Dr Smith wrote:
Did this really happen? I don't know, but it's sure worth reading and makes sense.
-----
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A....(substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
Could not be any simpler than that.
Of course socialism is completely irrelevant to anything that's happening in the US government, so .... what's your point?
Dr Smith

Clearfield, PA

#45827 Jan 17, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course socialism is completely irrelevant to anything that's happening in the US government, so .... what's your point?
Sometimes you come across a reply like this one from Dan the Man, all you can do is shake your head and move on.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#45831 Jan 17, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course socialism is completely irrelevant to anything that's happening in the US government, so .... what's your point?
Ignoring the truth does not change the facts.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#45832 Jan 17, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
I generally don't get into the PA booze laws.
It's a bit weird here. You can buy up to 2 6-packs at the local pizza shop (more expensive). For cases of beer, you need to go to a beer distributor (private business). Wine and hard liquor is state stores.
A number of years back, they got a business guy to run the state stores.(Joe Conti?) He changed those stores quite a bit. Some stores are open on Sunday. They experimented with having state stores in supermarkets. You can order cases of a favored wine over the internet and pick up at the store. The big one was using the buying power to negotiate discounts from suppliers.
As a consumer, it doesn't really bother me. Prices are competitive (used to run to Delaware ages ago. Heard Jersey was cheaper but that means going to Jersey - bridge tolls.) and you make your plans around the store hours like anything else.
Now I'm also in a major metropolitan area so my state store experience may differ than in the rural parts of the state.
If the state stores were privatized, what I could see happening is a most business catering to the most popular products. There would be a few specialty stores that go for off beat brands but you'll have to search them out. Pretty much a wash there.
Maybe I'm missing something, but this particular issue is just "meh" to me. Whether the state stores are privatized, the booze tax is still going to be there.
Just go elsewhere and see how bad you're being screwed in Pennsylvania.

The average supermarket in Cali carries a larger selection than PA state stores, at much, much lower prices.

You're paying through the nose for overpaid clerks at overstaffed stores.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#45833 Jan 17, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
I generally don't get into the PA booze laws.
It's a bit weird here. You can buy up to 2 6-packs at the local pizza shop (more expensive). For cases of beer, you need to go to a beer distributor (private business). Wine and hard liquor is state stores.
A number of years back, they got a business guy to run the state stores.(Joe Conti?) He changed those stores quite a bit. Some stores are open on Sunday. They experimented with having state stores in supermarkets. You can order cases of a favored wine over the internet and pick up at the store. The big one was using the buying power to negotiate discounts from suppliers.
As a consumer, it doesn't really bother me. Prices are competitive (used to run to Delaware ages ago. Heard Jersey was cheaper but that means going to Jersey - bridge tolls.) and you make your plans around the store hours like anything else.
Now I'm also in a major metropolitan area so my state store experience may differ than in the rural parts of the state.
If the state stores were privatized, what I could see happening is a most business catering to the most popular products. There would be a few specialty stores that go for off beat brands but you'll have to search them out. Pretty much a wash there.
Maybe I'm missing something, but this particular issue is just "meh" to me. Whether the state stores are privatized, the booze tax is still going to be there.
Delaware is still much cheaper. Just go there and see.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#45834 Jan 17, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
If the mafia paid off a big winner...
There was a murder here a couple of years ago. The news reported that it was a result of who was "more Irish". Word on the street was, guy hit an underground lottery for 70g. And when he went to collect, he won a baseball bat to the head.
And yeah... playing the lottery is not a retirement plan.
But trying to live off 3 part time jobs at minimum wage (if you can get them) isn't going to yield a decent retirement plan either.
So, you're one of the lottery suckers.

Thanks for your contribution.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#45835 Jan 17, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
If the mafia paid off a big winner...
There was a murder here a couple of years ago. The news reported that it was a result of who was "more Irish". Word on the street was, guy hit an underground lottery for 70g. And when he went to collect, he won a baseball bat to the head.
And yeah... playing the lottery is not a retirement plan.
But trying to live off 3 part time jobs at minimum wage (if you can get them) isn't going to yield a decent retirement plan either.
Win $70K on the state lottery and you'll pay $30K in taxes on the winnings.

What a deal!
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#45836 Jan 17, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
Then educate me. Point me to a link where I can learn.
Would that management contracting company be forced to publicly show their books like this:
(PDF Warning)
http://lbfc.legis.state.pa.us/reports/2012/62...
More importantly, will that external manager be able to beat the Administrative costs as shown on page 19 on the above link?
Administrative Costs. For the years FY 2001-02 through FY 2010-11, Pennsylvania’s Lottery sales increased by two-thirds, and its administrative costs nearly doubled. However, administrative costs as a percent of total sales remained below 3 percent, ranging from a low of 1.97 percent in FY 2001-02 to a high of 2.65 percent FY 2007-08) and averaged 2.35 percent for the 10 years. See Table 8. As shown
Table 8
Administrative Costs as a Percent of Lottery Sales
FY 2001-02 Through FY 2010-11
($000)
Fiscal Year Sales Administrative Costs Administrative Costs as Percent of Sales
2001-02 .....$1,934,164 $38,119 1.97%
2002-03 ..... 2,132,981 47,873 2.24
2003-04 ..... 2,352,072 57,499 2.44
2004-05 ..... 2,644,856 63,423 2.40
2005-06 ..... 3,070,268 63,444 2.07
2006-07 ..... 3,076,339 74,851 2.43
2007-08 ..... 3,089,188 81,843 2.65
2008-09 ..... 3,088,162 73,912 2.39
2009-10 ..... 3,065,717 76,601 2.50
2010-11 ..... 3,207,908 73,698 2.30
When your gross margin is 50% of sales, increasing sales is much more important than administrative costs. Your data indicates puny sales growth, an excellent reason for management change.

Besides, government data on administrative costs usually ignores long-term pension liability, which can exceed salary costs.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#45837 Jan 17, 2013
Franklin Templeton wrote:
<quoted text>
No kidding in liberal California too. That TaxNoMore idiot should be a happy as a pig in sh.it then.
Laugh all you want, but PA residents are getting ripped off by the state liquor stores.

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