Private Swim club Accused of Racism Asks Kids Back

Jul 12, 2009 Full story: snafu-ed.blogspot.com 162
The Valley Club, a private suburban swim club in Huntingdon Valley, PA, was accused of racism after it canceled the memberships of 65 minority children. It has now backtracked and said it will seek a meeting with the kids' camps in an attempt to work out an agreement for the children to return. Full Story
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Since: Mar 08

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Jul 12, 2009
I guess they would want them back, now, that the very members who got them into this mess; along with their own ignorance, have now thrown them under the bus!!

Their own members are now quitting on them, citing the mantra: They are not racists!!

Now, that the money is drying up, members are leaving, and they are facing massive lawsuits, they get the bright idea, to try to make things right!!

What is in the minds of today's businesspeople??
Lance Winslow

Diablo, CA

#3 Jul 12, 2009
Indigenous wrote:
I guess they would want them back, now, that the very members who got them into this mess; along with their own ignorance, have now thrown them under the bus!!
Their own members are now quitting on them, citing the mantra: They are not racists!!
Now, that the money is drying up, members are leaving, and they are facing massive lawsuits, they get the bright idea, to try to make things right!!
What is in the minds of today's businesspeople??
Racism just isn't as well accepted these days, except in this forum.

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Since: Mar 08

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Jul 12, 2009
Lance Winslow wrote:
<quoted text>Racism just isn't as well accepted these days, except in this forum.
Yes, you're right. And TOPIX is LOADED with it. Fortunately, people on TOPIX have pretty thick-skins. Those children however, were pretty badly damaged. The swim club took these children's money, then failed to deliver what they paid for.
Patriot

United States

#5 Jul 12, 2009
A PRIVATE club should be able to exclude ANYONE for ANY reason. What's the big deal ? You little kids can buy a kiddie pool from Walmart and have just as much fun.

“YOU KIDS GET OFF OF MY LAWN !”

Since: May 09

San Francisco

#6 Jul 13, 2009
Patriot wrote:
A PRIVATE club should be able to exclude ANYONE for ANY reason. What's the big deal ? You little kids can buy a kiddie pool from Walmart and have just as much fun.
You can judge him all you want, but Patriot does have a point. A private club can do whatever it wants. This has been upheld by the SCOTUS when it declared that the Boy Scouts could discriminate against gays.

But there is always a price to pay for that freedom. The Boy Scouts have lost an enormous number of resources and venues that refuse to allow a club that discriminates against gays to use them.

Now the Valley Club is losing it's membership for it's policy. Nobody there wants to be associated with a club that is seen to be racist.

So Patriot is right....maybe for the wrong reason....but right nonetheless.

“Today, Forever!!!”

Since: Mar 08

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Jul 13, 2009
MikeNSF wrote:
<quoted text>
You can judge him all you want, but Patriot does have a point. A private club can do whatever it wants. This has been upheld by the SCOTUS when it declared that the Boy Scouts could discriminate against gays.
But there is always a price to pay for that freedom. The Boy Scouts have lost an enormous number of resources and venues that refuse to allow a club that discriminates against gays to use them.
Now the Valley Club is losing it's membership for it's policy. Nobody there wants to be associated with a club that is seen to be racist.
So Patriot is right....maybe for the wrong reason....but right nonetheless.
If that "private club" is taking STATE funding, in ANY way, it is no longer a "private club", it is a "public club", and that is the reason the Governor, and other political personel got involved. It is the reason for the "apology", and the appeal for its members to return, because this club's own parent/members have now distanced themselves from the swim club. The parent/members were the ones who started the mess in the first place, now with "public" pressure upon them, the members have caved-in, and want to distance themselves from the mess that they made. All the swim club had to do was to honor the contract that they made with the day camp, and all of this could have been prevented. The so-called "private club", should have let the ignorant parents remove themselves and their children from the pool, and come back at a later date, when no "minorities" were in the pool, or let them quit altogether. The management of the swim club is in trouble for the "complexion" remark that they made, and then again, for the alterations of the "original" reason for why they kicked the day camp children out of the pool!!

It will be interesting to see how, in the days to come, this "private club" is funded; and where that funding comes from!!

I see NO reason for the Governor of the Commonwealth of PA, to get involved, unless; "public funding" was in play!!

Since: Dec 07

Austin

#8 Jul 13, 2009
In my opinion this incident has been blown way out of proportion. I am not condoning racism or the behavior of these individuals, but this day care was the third day care to receive a refund after one visit and be asked not to come back.(What about the other 2 day cares?)

I ran a public and private pool for many years and day cares are always a problem; not only for the lifeguard staff, but for the patrons as well. It is difficult to safely monitor that many children without adequate parental supervision.

For example, the pool I managed did not allow children under 12 to swim without an adult present, but these day care centers would come with 50 children and two high school kids for adult supervision.
CareLes

Saint Michael, MN

#9 Jul 13, 2009
MikeNSF wrote:
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The Boy Scouts have lost an enormous number of resources and venues that refuse to allow a club that discriminates against gays to use them.
I wouldn't say enormous, but the sponsors who pulled their support didn't align morally with the Boy Scout organization.
It's pretty simple.

The ethical thing for that sponsor to do was pull the support, and for the Boy Scouts, the ethical thing to do was accept the fact that the support was pulled.

No problem.

Les
COUSIN PAULIE

United States

#10 Jul 13, 2009
in another story that didn't get much air time:

>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>
Racist Black Teens Attack White Family While Yelling "It's a Black World!" - Are you mad that Police refuse to call this a hate crime?

Martin Marshall, his wife, and two kids, were attacked on June 27 after celebrating a night of fireworks . The Marshall family were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron when a group of around 50 black teens came out of nowhere and attacked the all-white family. The dozens of black teens were yelling ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family. The family was severely beaten but no serious injuries were made. After several minutes of punches and kicks, the attack ended and the group ran off. The Marshalls' two adult male friends were not seriously hurt. Police is now investigating where to find the group of black teens and they do not consider this a hate crime yet, but more of a gang crime.

“Tell the Truth”

Since: Nov 07

Orlando, Florida

#11 Jul 13, 2009
COUSIN PAULIE wrote:
in another story that didn't get much air time:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>
Racist Black Teens Attack White Family While Yelling "It's a Black World!" - Are you mad that Police refuse to call this a hate crime?
Martin Marshall, his wife, and two kids, were attacked on June 27 after celebrating a night of fireworks . The Marshall family were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron when a group of around 50 black teens came out of nowhere and attacked the all-white family. The dozens of black teens were yelling ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family. The family was severely beaten but no serious injuries were made. After several minutes of punches and kicks, the attack ended and the group ran off. The Marshalls' two adult male friends were not seriously hurt. Police is now investigating where to find the group of black teens and they do not consider this a hate crime yet, but more of a gang crime.
Hate doesn't count unless you're black or gay. According to the law, unless you're one of those groups, your safety and well-being does not mean squat.

“Tell the Truth”

Since: Nov 07

Orlando, Florida

#12 Jul 13, 2009
lwisser wrote:
In my opinion this incident has been blown way out of proportion. I am not condoning racism or the behavior of these individuals, but this day care was the third day care to receive a refund after one visit and be asked not to come back.(What about the other 2 day cares?)
I ran a public and private pool for many years and day cares are always a problem; not only for the lifeguard staff, but for the patrons as well. It is difficult to safely monitor that many children without adequate parental supervision.
For example, the pool I managed did not allow children under 12 to swim without an adult present, but these day care centers would come with 50 children and two high school kids for adult supervision.
That's the story I heard behind the Pennsylvania pool issue - that the summer camp came with too many kids.

If someone drew up a contract for this camp to have access to the pool, then there should have been strict rules regarding the number of children involved, the number of adults involved, the days and times the group would be at the pool, etc. It just sounds like somebody gave this summer camp a thumbs up to "come on over" without any pre-planning at all.

I can't see the racism in this because if the swim club offered the camp use of the pool, then I'm sure the club knew what race the kids were. Now the camp leaders are making a bigger deal out of this than should be made and it's the kids who are suffering. Instead of standing around screaming racism, tell the private club to kiss your ass and go find another pool for the kids.
What they are doing now is teaching another generation of blacks to use their race in the media to get what they want.

It may be hard to believe, but sometimes life isn't fair to white people either. We've just learned to shut up, lay down, and get walked on.
COUSIN PAULIE

United States

#13 Jul 13, 2009
Indigenous wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, you're right. And TOPIX is LOADED with it. Fortunately, people on TOPIX have pretty thick-skins. Those children however, were pretty badly damaged. The swim club took these children's money, then failed to deliver what they paid for.
"The swim club took these children's money, then failed to deliver what they paid for."

Government does this everyday and they get away with it.
checkit

Hampton, VA

#14 Jul 13, 2009
Donna Atlanta GA wrote:
<quoted text>
Hate doesn't count unless you're black or gay. According to the law, unless you're one of those groups, your safety and well-being does not mean squat.
..u sound like u think blacks would condone the attack on the 'all-white' family, I don't. Or is it how the attack is characterized as gang violence and not hate violence. Just one of the idiosyncrasies created from the racism early in America. Try making a new thread instead of trying to dilute this one because it clearly shows your trying to divide a very plain situation.
Timothy Leary

United States

#15 Jul 13, 2009
checkit wrote:
<quoted text>
..u sound like u think blacks would condone the attack on the 'all-white' family, I don't. Or is it how the attack is characterized as gang violence and not hate violence. Just one of the idiosyncrasies created from the racism early in America. Try making a new thread instead of trying to dilute this one because it clearly shows your trying to divide a very plain situation.
If you are running around beating up out-numbered white people and yelling it's a black world, it's our world, it's pretty obvious it stems from hate. If it's a duck it's not an elephant. Early racism in America doesn't make it right in the 21 century.

The swim club event was not racist. Nobody got hurt and the club is trying to make amends to what looks like a racist incident. This story got a lot of "press." The other didn't.

“Today, Forever!!!”

Since: Mar 08

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Jul 13, 2009
COUSIN PAULIE wrote:
<quoted text>
"The swim club took these children's money, then failed to deliver what they paid for."
Government does this everyday and they get away with it.
And what will you do about it? I fail to see where what you posted, has anything to do with what happened with this so-called "private" swim club. Besides, the government is FAR from being private!!

“Today, Forever!!!”

Since: Mar 08

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Jul 13, 2009
Donna Atlanta GA wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the story I heard behind the Pennsylvania pool issue - that the summer camp came with too many kids.
If someone drew up a contract for this camp to have access to the pool, then there should have been strict rules regarding the number of children involved, the number of adults involved, the days and times the group would be at the pool, etc. It just sounds like somebody gave this summer camp a thumbs up to "come on over" without any pre-planning at all.
I can't see the racism in this because if the swim club offered the camp use of the pool, then I'm sure the club knew what race the kids were. Now the camp leaders are making a bigger deal out of this than should be made and it's the kids who are suffering. Instead of standing around screaming racism, tell the private club to kiss your ass and go find another pool for the kids.
What they are doing now is teaching another generation of blacks to use their race in the media to get what they want.
It may be hard to believe, but sometimes life isn't fair to white people either. We've just learned to shut up, lay down, and get walked on.
You're stupid to believe such trash!! The day camp wasn't welcomed, when the swim club found out that the children was minorities!! If you had REALLY studied the issue, you whould have known that the children were so-called black American and Hispanic, and not just all so-called black American children, as OUTSIDERS would like the world to believe!!

When the contract was drawn up, there was no mention about pool safety, adult supervision, OR number of children, because the "swim club" never thought that minorities could afford that kind of venue, and when they saw the money paid up front, that just confirmed the fact that minorities could never come up with that kind of money up front!!

It was ONLY AFTER the identity of the children became known that the "complexion" of the children became an ISSUE!!! The "hand-grenade" in the pool of gasoline was the slimy "remark" about the complexion of the pool being changed, because of the day camp children!!

The rebuttal about several day camps being refused and given their money back, doesn't hold water because this is the particular day camp that was ACCEPTED, had a contract in place, and was refused service when they came to enjoy the contract that they entered into WITH the "swim club". This squarely places the "swim club" in a position of dishonor, for which they SHOULD BE PUNISHED!!!

The RACISM involved was initiated by the slimy behaviour of the swim club member/parents and supported by the swim club management, and NOT by the day camp children!!!

“Today, Forever!!!”

Since: Mar 08

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Jul 13, 2009
Timothy Leary wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are running around beating up out-numbered white people and yelling it's a black world, it's our world, it's pretty obvious it stems from hate. If it's a duck it's not an elephant. Early racism in America doesn't make it right in the 21 century.
The swim club event was not racist. Nobody got hurt and the club is trying to make amends to what looks like a racist incident. This story got a lot of "press." The other didn't.
Why didn't it get it media coverage? Whose fault was it? If so-called black American people are beating up whites, why didn't it get the coverage?

There's a good chance that the local AUTHORITIES in that area felt that it was bogus, and chose not to press the issue further!! Of course that never entered your mind, did it?

Most so-called black Americans who "attack" whites, are nearly always hardened criminals with weapons to back them up, that's when it usually ALWAYS make the front page of newspapers across the nation, and is smeared on the 6PM news shows across the nation.

You can bet your last dollar, and I would bet my life, that if some so-called black American people severely beat-up, mauled, or killed some white people, YOU WOULD HAVE DAMN SURE HEARD ABOUT IT, and that is a NATURAL FACT!!!

“Today, Forever!!!”

Since: Mar 08

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Jul 13, 2009
Donna Atlanta GA wrote:
<quoted text>
Hate doesn't count unless you're black or gay. According to the law, unless you're one of those groups, your safety and well-being does not mean squat.
What law are YOU referring to, the one YOU JUST MADE UP?? If white people were hurt or killed by so-called black American people, there would have been a MANHUNT, UNTIL THEY WERE CAUGHT!!

Case in point: In the case that happened here in PA, concerning the woman who said that so-called black men, carjacked her vehicle; and kidnapped her child, there was a MASSIVE MANHUNT, that put so-called black American people in harm's way, and their lives in jepardy, UNTIL, the authorities FOUND OUT THAT THE WOMAN WAS LYING!!

It was furthered found out that the woman was a thief, and had flim-flammed several collegues, all white, and had abandoned her husband, as she sought to escape the law, by flying to Florida, with the child she CLAIMED was KIDNAPPED by these so-called black American men!!

Racism, is not new, and it has nearly ALWAYS been perpetrated by white people against minorities!!

People like you NEVER offer a solution, you only fan the flames of hatred further!!!
martha

United States

#20 Jul 13, 2009
COUSIN PAULIE wrote:
in another story that didn't get much air time:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>
Racist Black Teens Attack White Family While Yelling "It's a Black World!" - Are you mad that Police refuse to call this a hate crime?
Martin Marshall, his wife, and two kids, were attacked on June 27 after celebrating a night of fireworks . The Marshall family were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron when a group of around 50 black teens came out of nowhere and attacked the all-white family. The dozens of black teens were yelling ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family. The family was severely beaten but no serious injuries were made. After several minutes of punches and kicks, the attack ended and the group ran off. The Marshalls' two adult male friends were not seriously hurt. Police is now investigating where to find the group of black teens and they do not consider this a hate crime yet, but more of a gang crime.
Deepest sympathies to the Marshalls. Since the 1960's, millions of Americans have been forced to leave their neighborhoods (and schools) to avoid being similar victims.
Chicago Guy

Columbus, IN

#21 Jul 13, 2009
MikeNSF wrote:
<quoted text>
You can judge him all you want, but Patriot does have a point. A private club can do whatever it wants. This has been upheld by the SCOTUS when it declared that the Boy Scouts could discriminate against gays.
But there is always a price to pay for that freedom. The Boy Scouts have lost an enormous number of resources and venues that refuse to allow a club that discriminates against gays to use them.
Now the Valley Club is losing it's membership for it's policy. Nobody there wants to be associated with a club that is seen to be racist.
So Patriot is right....maybe for the wrong reason....but right nonetheless.
Actually, he's not right.

The private club could certainly have refused to book this camp group, initially. As a private club they certainly have that right.

But once they took payment, and signed a contract, they had a legal obligation to provide access to the pool. This is now a breach-of-contract case, pure and simple... not a referendum on private clubs.

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