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Bisbee Buzz wrote:
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You have a very strange take on things, "patriot".
Ever hear of states rights???
Here's something to chew on regarding marijuana vs. those legal drugs. This is information from the FDA from the period Jan. 1, 1997 to June 30, 2005.
Total deaths from marijuana - 0
Total deaths from 17 FDA approved drugs - 10,008
Clearly the "highest power in our country" as you refer to our federal govt. doesn't have the answers.
Total brain & genetic damage from marijuana, especially in minors - most

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Radical Rebel wrote:
Marijuana and driving affects everyone on the road:
So unless you are going to require all medical marijuana patients to do so on the road, of what worth is your comment?
Do you know how many millions of Americans consume cannabis recreationally?
If there were any truth to the traffic madness argument it would have been apparent by now.14 States currently have compassionate use exceptions to their marijuana laws.
Know what's really dangerous? Idiots who speed while texting, drinking coffee, listening to music and driving.
There have been no reported cases of someone usiong marijuana medicinally and going crazy in traffic. If there were propagandists and other assorted lackeys and idiots would have it splashed on every website.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU SUCK!
You think that we are going to believe you when you claim cannabis is poison?
How stupid are you?

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inqz wrote:
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Total brain & genetic damage from marijuana, especially in minors - most
There is not now nor has there ever been any direct link between consumption of cannabis and any disease or disease syndrome.
If you can find such a link do so or ADMIT YOU ARE CLUELESS.
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First of all "cashman" let me say as someone who used to smoke weed a long, time ago, I think that the effects of pot are very different from alcohol, and are variable form person to person, but mostly, pot smokers will be hyper-vigilant, move below normal speeds and there is a danger that they will react to semi-hallucinations. They will not be inclined to take crazy risks, like drinkers, but may, like drinkers, fall asleep.
When med m legally in AZ is being used daily, we definitely will need to be able to test for intoxicated driving, but it might work best to use a performance-based test until we can get more precise measuring when pot was used.
Another issue: some people will drink AND smoke, with really bad effects on their motor skills and judgment.
The marijuana today is significantly more potent than that used and supplied by the government in 1970 when I used, there are also 400 toxins other than THC that are going into your body from cannabis! The real world driving environment today is infinitely more complex than the rudimentary driving environment simulated in that era.

Using the Fatality Analysis Reporting System jointly developed by CA and the NHTSA, analyzed by the data concerning known driver use of marijuana in fatal crashes.
The data was very clear that the magnitude of the problem was increasing in fatal crashes. In the five years after the Medical Marijuana Program was legalized in 2004 (Not the 1996 law which legalized marijuana for seriously ill persons) fatalities in CA nearly doubled.
Facts: For the five years following establishment of the Medical Marijuana Program, there were 1240 fatalities in fatal crashes, compared to the 631 fatalities for the five years prior, for an increase of almost 100%. In 2008 there were 8 counties where more than 16% of the drivers in fatal crashes tested positive for Marijuana. Five of the 8 counties had rates over 20%.
The facts speak for themselves. They speak loudly that marijuana is and will become a major driving problem. Real great for the rest of us on the roads! Intoxication is illegal of any kind,even if you have a doctors script to use, it does not legalize driving drugged! Pharmaceutical perceptions say right on the bottle do not drive while using this medication!

Cashman you are the idiot,learn how to spell,or are you to high ?People like you want to live high on drugs,and it affects your thinking, and skills of all kinds!

Try going to any lawyer in town and ask them if it's legal for you to use medical marijuana, or use and drive! They will tell you it is against the federal law, and that outlaws the state any day!

We will see how long it takes before the Feds have to come in and intervene in AZ like they have in pot shoppes in Ca!
cashman57 wrote:
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So unless you are going to require all medical marijuana patients to do so on the road, of what worth is your comment?
Do you know how many millions of Americans consume cannabis recreationally?
If there were any truth to the traffic madness argument it would have been apparent by now.14 States currently have compassionate use exceptions to their marijuana laws.
Know what's really dangerous? Idiots who speed while texting, drinking coffee, listening to music and driving.
There have been no reported cases of someone usiong marijuana medicinally and going crazy in traffic. If there were propagandists and other assorted lackeys and idiots would have it splashed on every website.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU SUCK!
You think that we are going to believe you when you claim cannabis is poison?
How stupid are you?

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Concerned wrote:
Cashman you are the idiot,learn how to spell,or are you to high ?!
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Too much!!
YOU have me ROFLMAO@u!!!
I do make an occasional mistake but you know, you don't seem to have a better grasp. Maybe what you smoked wasn't marijuana?
Now, as to the rest of your diatribe(look it up), if this were to be an actual problem in AZ it would have already been a problem in the 14 States with compassionate use exceptions to their drug laws.
You silly prohibitionists are all the same, spout some stats as if they had meaning and proclaim anyone who is smart enough to look at the reality of the situation an idiot.
So, idiot, when you can show me that people driving while under the influence of marijuana medicinally comes into a measurable amount on tradffic statistics, you need to try to learn something that doesn't have the stench of the ONDCP all over it. Evidence exists that they know they are making false statements.
So, if you ever want to learn the truth about victims, see http://www.mpp.org/victims
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sassy wrote:
How do u go about getting it? Do u see ur regular doc. or a special doctor?
Furse thing U learn how ta spell .
Den rite to duh dockter and tell him uze a die en. Tell him U
like ta smoke a cuppul uh bales of duh plants befor U departs
dah seen. See iffen heel give U a pass.
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cashman57 wrote:
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There is not now nor has there ever been any direct link between consumption of cannabis and any disease or disease syndrome.
If you can find such a link do so or ADMIT YOU ARE CLUELESS.
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I herd it can lead to mad cow disease . I can't say for sure
butt I got a lot of mooocus running from my nose.
losing it

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Tea Party Patriot wrote:
This is one of the STUPIDEST laws that was ever allowed to pass in Arizona.
Our Federal Government is suing Arizona because we want police officers allowed to arrest and detain people here in the U.S.illegally.This would be to help boarder patrol agents in this illegal drug cartel war zone we have going on our AZ-Mex boarders. As it is against the federal government to be here illegally!
Federal law prohibits possessing or using Marijuana in the U.S. is a Federal crime, will the Government step in and sue AZ for allowing this one, and clearly going against the laws of the highest power in our country?
Only seems fair!
We live in some very corrupt times when wrong is deemed right and right is deemed wrong by so many!
I totally agree. I am wondering if this will mean that everyone who has been in jail for this crime will be let go ?

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losing it wrote:
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I totally agree. I am wondering if this will mean that everyone who has been in jail for this crime will be let go ?
Yeah, that would be another real mess! Or people in prison that want to use will try and get a "legal" prescription because of a "medical ailment" that they come up with,and then our state taxes will flip the bill for mm for the incarcerated patients?

This entire thing has so many complications, and is just a bad idea in every aspect! Bottom line is people want to get high, and anyone who disagrees with this new state law, is called all kinds of things from ignorant,to not knowing the real facts, to wrapping themselves in the flag, and trying to be a goody goody!

According to the supporters of mm we are the loony's, we just don't see things correctly like they do! We are in the wrong, and they are in the right! We are trying to keep them from getting their much needed drug of choice, that has so many benefits, and no toxins or negative affects on the body or their behavior when using at all! It causes no traffic accidents or fatality's,No crimes, no mental affects,and certainly no dependence!

If it was just the "medical aspect" of it the components that help with nausea or other benefits that they say are in those could be pulled out and crate a safe drug that will not cause the high intoxicated side affects.

But that is not want marijuana users want is it?
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Tea Party Patriot wrote:
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Yeah, that would be another real mess! Or people in prison that want to use will try and get a "legal" prescription because of a "medical ailment" that they come up with,and then our state taxes will flip the bill for mm for the incarcerated patients?
This entire thing has so many complications, and is just a bad idea in every aspect! Bottom line is people want to get high, and anyone who disagrees with this new state law, is called all kinds of things from ignorant,to not knowing the real facts, to wrapping themselves in the flag, and trying to be a goody goody!
According to the supporters of mm we are the loony's, we just don't see things correctly like they do! We are in the wrong, and they are in the right! We are trying to keep them from getting their much needed drug of choice, that has so many benefits, and no toxins or negative affects on the body or their behavior when using at all! It causes no traffic accidents or fatality's,No crimes, no mental affects,and certainly no dependence!
If it was just the "medical aspect" of it the components that help with nausea or other benefits that they say are in those could be pulled out and crate a safe drug that will not cause the high intoxicated side affects.
But that is not want marijuana users want is it?
Can you imagine if every prescription was labeled, "Use as needed"?

Well that seems to be the only way to administer MM without some determination of THC content-- and that would require not only extensive testing but strict production requirements.

If MM were really a drug to relieve discomfort, it should be administered by the FDA -- that's what they do.

I can already hear the MM proponents balking at any type of regulation... but if it's a drug, and drugs are regulated, shouldn't it be as well?

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Tea Party Patriot wrote:
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Yeah, that would be another real mess! Or people in prison that want to use will try and get a "legal" prescription because of a "medical ailment" that they come up with,and then our state taxes will flip the bill for mm for the incarcerated patients?
This entire thing has so many complications, and is just a bad idea in every aspect! Bottom line is people want to get high, and anyone who disagrees with this new state law, is called all kinds of things from ignorant,to not knowing the real facts, to wrapping themselves in the flag, and trying to be a goody goody!
According to the supporters of mm we are the loony's, we just don't see things correctly like they do! We are in the wrong, and they are in the right! We are trying to keep them from getting their much needed drug of choice, that has so many benefits, and no toxins or negative affects on the body or their behavior when using at all! It causes no traffic accidents or fatality's,No crimes, no mental affects,and certainly no dependence!
If it was just the "medical aspect" of it the components that help with nausea or other benefits that they say are in those could be pulled out and crate a safe drug that will not cause the high intoxicated side affects.
But that is not want marijuana users want is it?
No, you don't see things "correctly" you have been led to believe marijuana is harmful and the facts indicate you are wrong.
In study after study the safety and efficacy of cannabis has been noted.
If what you write is true, then why is marijuana available by prescription in the UK and Canada under the brand name "Sativex"?
If it is dangerou, if it is harmful, where are the statistics to back it up?
As of today nobody dies from medical marijuana nor recreational use.
For you to be so cruel and so stupid and then proclaim you represent the TEA party?
Didn't you get the message?
What part of less government did you not understand?
Are you so pathetically ignorant as to cause the suffering of your fellow human being when a cheap medically proven alternative is available?
What do YOU say to the MS patient who just wants to control the spasticity?
"Sorry pal, tough luck, looks like you are just going to have to suffer, sucks to be you"? The TEA party is all about getting rid of costly nonproductive nonsense and so far the idiots on your side of the argument have failed 14 times in a row to convince people of your scary scenarios where kindergarteners trade loaded AK-47s for pot.
Don't you realize what a fool you are making of yourself?
Stop being an idiot and start being an American who looks at the facts, not what some trumped up report says, reality.
Look up Sativex.
Have you no pride?
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Government figures and stats tells us about 10% of the population use marijuana. Yet the majority (in Arizona's case a slim margin) of voters voted for MM. Recent polling, from many, many different polling organizations all show that support for legalizing pot recreationally, on a national level, is now at or near 50/50. The same polls have shown that 80% approve medical marijuana, but apparently not in Arizona. Being a very Conservative state explains most of that.

Why do nearly 50% of Americans agree with legalizing pot when only 10% actually smoke the stuff?

For me, I voted for MM in Arizona because I think our laws are much too harsh for marijuana infractions. Our children (hopefully adults if they use the stuff) potentially face
a lifetime felony record for something as small a single joint of marijuana. That's ridiculous. College kids experiment and do all sorts of crazy things when they leave the nest. Being painted a felon for life for merely smoking a joint, as a Mother, is much, much too harsh. What does that teach them? Disrespect for law enforcement and our laws.

Therefore I voted for MM, it doesn't legalize it recreationally, although it's a step in the right direction. Besides, it can be useful for some medical conditions.

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Shelly-Bullhead City wrote:
Government figures and stats tells us about 10% of the population use marijuana. Yet the majority (in Arizona's case a slim margin) of voters voted for MM. Recent polling, from many, many different polling organizations all show that support for legalizing pot recreationally, on a national level, is now at or near 50/50. The same polls have shown that 80% approve medical marijuana, but apparently not in Arizona. Being a very Conservative state explains most of that.
Why do nearly 50% of Americans agree with legalizing pot when only 10% actually smoke the stuff?
For me, I voted for MM in Arizona because I think our laws are much too harsh for marijuana infractions. Our children (hopefully adults if they use the stuff) potentially face
a lifetime felony record for something as small a single joint of marijuana. That's ridiculous. College kids experiment and do all sorts of crazy things when they leave the nest. Being painted a felon for life for merely smoking a joint, as a Mother, is much, much too harsh. What does that teach them? Disrespect for law enforcement and our laws.
Therefore I voted for MM, it doesn't legalize it recreationally, although it's a step in the right direction. Besides, it can be useful for some medical conditions.
It does allow for the people who need relief to get it. It has worked in 14 states, the UK and Canada, so the evidence is overwhelming that the current description of cannabis as having no medical use is just proof that yet again the government is lying to us and using our money to spread propaganda.
You will note that nobody is coming on here with any proof that there's a direct link between cannabis and any disease or disease syndrome, no medical marijuana patients have died as a result of using marijuana medicinally and so far there has yet to be a recorded incident where a patient used marijuana medicinally and then went out and did all the crazy things the stupid prohibitionists claim will happen.
Look at the record of the 14 states with compassionate use exceptions and none of the scary scenarios the stupid prohibitionists plunk down has ever come true.

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Mothra wrote:
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Can you imagine if every prescription was labeled, "Use as needed"?
Well that seems to be the only way to administer MM without some determination of THC content-- and that would require not only extensive testing but strict production requirements.
If MM were really a drug to relieve discomfort, it should be administered by the FDA -- that's what they do.
I can already hear the MM proponents balking at any type of regulation... but if it's a drug, and drugs are regulated, shouldn't it be as well?
The FDA??
The FDA says that marijuana has no medicinal properties.
Since we know that cannabis is being used as medicine and has been proven safe and effective medicine in the UK and Canada we know the FDA is the last place to look for solutions.
I have a pain med that says to be used as needed, so you want to restate that one little lie?
The fact is marijuana is medicine, it is proven safe and effective medicine and none of the prohibitionist scary scenarios played out in those 14 States, the UK and Canada.
I have to laugh at naive people like you who believe that there's some connection between safe medicine and the FDA.
When the equivalent of the FDA in the UK and Canada tested cannabis, they had no problem approving it.Sativex is being prescribed and it is helping people other medicines don't.
Stop being a fool and look at reality. Your government is lying to you and stealing money from you to support those lies.
Do you have a problem with that, or are you content to let stupid people lead you?

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From:http://www.marijuana-anon ymous.org/stories.shtml

The First Step

I am a marijuana addict because when using pot, it was the most important thing in my life. More important than anybody or anything. It helped to suppress all the inadequacies I felt. It helped me not to feel the pain of not living up to expectations. It enabled me not to worry about anything. It helped me to not care about the things I really cared about. It enabled me to stay in my own little world and not deal with emotional feelings that would continually come up when I wasn't smoking. It would drive the fear away, but after a while, the fear would return.

Pot helped me not worry about not having a relationship with women, even though I wanted this to happen. Because of negative feelings about myself, I always thought deep down that I was worthless and didn't deserve to be happy. Instead of dealing with these issues I would smoke pot and the feelings would go away. Therefore, I never learned very many social skills or problem solving skills.

Problems would come up and they would seem too huge to deal with. I would smoke pot and look for the answers after smoking, because then the problems seemed smaller. In reality, they were only day to day issues that could be resolved if dealt with, instead of running away from them. I would smoke and not deal with the problems and let them fester inside until I thought, "I just can't handle it." I would try not to think about them, or go somewhere I could start all over, escape, and hope that would teach me how to deal with them the next time. But the next time, they would continue and I would do the same thing, over and over, until it was killing me.

Later, I started to turn to other things (alcohol, cocaine, gambling) in the hope that these things would give me pleasure, or at least let me not care about the problems that followed me wherever I went, and that these feelings I carried around would go away. They didn't. All the alcohol and drugs did was push me farther down, to the point that I finally thought, "There has got to be a better way." I gave in and sought help: the first step.

I will always remember my first Marijuana Anonymous meeting. I was scared and nervous, but I remember all of that melting away as the meeting started. Soon I realized, "This is where I need to be." I could relate to what I was hearing. Listening intently, I was amazed that there was a group of people just like me. By the end of the meeting, I felt much more relaxed and really glad that I found my way there. A few people approached me after the meeting to greet me and give me a phone list, & told me to "Keep Coming Back."

Approximately two weeks after that first meeting, I had what I choose to call a "Spiritual Experience." I was high and I felt really terrible. I realized that after nine years of smoking every day (morning, noon, and night), that I was an addict and that pot ruled my life. I never wanted to get high again. I feel very fortunate that this happened. I knew I could not get sober on my own, so I made a decision to make MA a part of my life.

The first thirty days were very difficult. My body was changing, mentally and physically, and I felt very strange. MA gave me a program I could believe in and follow. Soon I started looking forward to getting to meetings and sharing my feelings, as well as listening to others. I began to feel more comfortable and soon started talking to people after the meetings. Everyone was very supportive and I knew they really cared about me and my sobriety. I was even nominated back then for the refreshment commitment, which I gladly accepted. Being of service has been an added boost to my program.

It is hard to put into words how my life has changed. I am happy. My self-esteem and self-confidence has improved tenfold. I have never been more proud of anything I have ever done. These sober moments are very precious to me and I wouldn't trade them for anything, not even a joint.

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The Sixties: everybody was tuning in, turning on, and dropping out. I wanted to feel a part of it all. Love-ins, concerts, flowers in my hair, Beatles, Doors, Stones—even the music went against the "norm." I'd swear to this day that The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper told us to "smoke pot, smoke pot, everybody smoke pot." So I did. Didn't everybody?

Then my heroes started to die. First Hendrix, then Joplin, Morrison, and later on it would be Bonham and Belushi. The list is so long. I couldn't see that I was on the same road. I was still mad at the world and questioning authority, filling up my resentment list daily, and drinking and using to cope. When I finally got sick and tired of feeling sick and tired, I called a hotline, found out about detox, checked into a hospital, and learned about the dis-ease called addiction.

I still figured I could go back to smoking dope after I took the time to clean out. A few weeks into sobriety and the cravings for pot were unbearable. I shared about it at a meeting and someone told me about MA. I went to a meeting the next night and knew I was home. I could easily identify with everybody. We were all trying to stop the same drug. Alcohol had brought me to my bottom, but pot had kept me there. Talk about cunning, baffling, and powerful. Nothing fits that description better than marijuana.

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Stories of Marijuana Addicts:
~ From Marijuana Anonymous World Services~

I am a marijuana addict because when using pot, it was the most important thing in my life. More important than anybody or anything. It helped to suppress all the inadequacies I felt. It helped me not to feel the pain of not living up to expectations. It enabled me not to worry about anything. It helped me to not care about the things I really cared about. It enabled me to stay in my own little world and not deal with emotional feelings that would continually come up when I wasn't smoking. It would drive the fear away, but after a while, the fear would return.

Pot helped me not worry about not having a relationship with women, even though I wanted this to happen. Because of negative feelings about myself, I always thought deep down that I was worthless and didn't deserve to be happy. Instead of dealing with these issues I would smoke pot and the feelings would go away. Therefore, I never learned very many social skills or problem solving skills.

Problems would come up and they would seem too huge to deal with. I would smoke pot and look for the answers after smoking, because then the problems seemed smaller. In reality, they were only day to day issues that could be resolved if dealt with, instead of running away from them. I would smoke and not deal with the problems and let them fester inside until I thought, "I just can't handle it." I would try not to think about them, or go somewhere I could start all over, escape, and hope that would teach me how to deal with them the next time. But the next time, they would continue and I would do the same thing, over and over, until it was killing me.

Later, I started to turn to other things (alcohol, cocaine, gambling) in the hope that these things would give me pleasure, or at least let me not care about the problems that followed me wherever I went, and that these feelings I carried around would go away. They didn't. All the alcohol and drugs did was push me farther down, to the point that I finally thought, "There has got to be a better way." I gave in and sought help: the first step.

The first thirty days were very difficult. My body was changing, mentally and physically, and I felt very strange. MA gave me a program I could believe in and follow. Soon I started looking forward to getting to meetings and sharing my feelings, as well as listening to others. I began to feel more comfortable and soon started talking to people after the meetings. Everyone was very supportive and I knew they really cared about me and my sobriety. I was even nominated back then for the refreshment commitment, which I gladly accepted. Being of service has been an added boost to my program.

It is hard to put into words how my life has changed. I am happy. My self-esteem and self-confidence has improved tenfold. I have never been more proud of anything I have ever done. These sober moments are very precious to me and I wouldn't trade them for anything, not even a joint.

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Sorry, the first one I posted didn't show up, so I re posted, and now it shows twice! Oops!

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According to the 199 NIH study marijuana is not physically addictive and has medicinal qualities so we know that anyone who claims it is addictive is lying.
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Marijuana is just a plant... is it really that dangerous?

Yes, marijuana is a plant but it has real health consequences, including addiction. While some people or Web sites may try to convince you that "it's no big deal," the real science shows a different picture.

More teens are in treatment with a primary diagnosis of marijuana dependence than for all other illicit drugs combined.

Young people who use marijuana weekly have a greater risk of depression later in life. This risk is even higher for girls; the odds that a female who uses marijuana daily will be depressed at age 21 are higher than the odds of non-users.

The odds that a heavy marijuana user will be diagnosed with schizophrenia later in life are higher than the odds of non-users. And the odds that a teenager who use marijuana will drop out of school are more than the odds of non-users.

I know a few "straight A" students and some professional athletes who use marijuana and they seem to do OK. What's that about?

Weed affects everyone differently; this unpredictability is one of the reasons it is so dangerous. Some people seem to be able to use it for a while, while others experience paranoia and seem to get hooked early on. Remember, we never know when addiction actually starts, and a person's genetics seem to play a major role, meaning that some people get addicted much faster than others. The bottom line is that no matter how in control someone may seem, there are chemical changes occurring in his or her brain (some of which are common to all abused drugs, including cocaine and heroin12 ) and sooner or later, it will affect his or her ability to perform mentally and physically.

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