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There are 93 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Oct 15, 2010, titled Roger Goodell's might eclipses Brett Favre's. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

"In the Catholic church there is a history of change," said Father Peter Laird, at the Archdiocese Chancery on Summit Ave., St.

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Since: Nov 08

Twin Cities

#86 Oct 18, 2010
It doesn't matter if the prevalence of offenders os greater or lower for Catholic priests compared to teachers/coaches/bosses/or whatever group you can think of! Religion is not what created this problem! The reason why it is singled out is because it is they are the only ones who knew about their own offenders, covered it up, lied about it and now trying to sweep it under the rug. Everyone else is held accountable, yet priests want special leniancy because of their religion! This CANNOT happen!! So stop with the "gunning for Catholics" nonsense!!!!

Since: Jan 09

United States of America

#87 Oct 18, 2010
Bridge Repair Money wrote:
Dateline NBC "To Catch a Predator" busted at least a half dozen Public school teachers on their show, and now one Priest.
Liberal Pulbic School Teachers are systematically abusing children at the rate of 3 per school day.
You are spreading false accusations again. They caught one teacher and one coach who wasn't a teacher. Why are you fixated on teachers, did one spank you too hard?
Mike

Saint Cloud, MN

#88 Oct 18, 2010
Question wrote:
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Unless you are Catholic, you should not be questioning it.
I am. I was an altar boy when I was nine. I got tired of the "we care about your opinion" speeches. They don't care about anybody's opinion. They just tell you they do so you'll sit down and go away. I refused to sit down, so I went away. The silly rules that go back centuries don't fit today's society or situations. They sit over at the Vatican making decisions that might fit Italians, but not Americans. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And they wonder why they have no priests and fewer and fewer parishoners. The Good Ole Boys Club is killing the church and there's nothing you want or will do about it.
Bridge Repair Money

Minneapolis, MN

#89 Oct 18, 2010
Clergy Abuse Survivors wrote:
Not one of the abusive priests or religious order members showed up on any police reports in the state so what is the big deal about Dateline?
Dateline and the other media would not have such programs if it were not for the two decades of drum beating by the clergy abuse survivors. If they had not been beating the drums day after day after day, childhood sexual abuse would not be in media mainstream as it has been the past number of months. AND YOU "Bridge Repair" would not have this communication tool to keep telling people you were abused by a teacher.
Sadly, you are not going to find the healing and recovery you desire by jumping into every sexual abuse discussion in this paper and whining about "the teachers did it too."
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I'm not saying "Teachers did it too" -- I'm saying "Public School Teachers have been worse sexually abusing kids more frequently than Priests"

Your old skool TV Talk Show mental health clairvoyance doesn't change this fact either.
Thurston Howell III

Chicago, IL

#90 Oct 19, 2010
Priests are like the Che Guevara of sex abuse.

DFL Public school teachers are like Stalin or Zedong calling Guevara a mass murderer.

Public Schools are socialist churches doing the same crap to kids as religion, only in a liberal way.
Facts

Minneapolis, MN

#91 Oct 19, 2010
Former Altar Boy wrote:
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Read this. You must have missed it. No merit? Ask the victims. These are facts.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/settleme...
Wake up.
This article has nothing do with sex abuse. You are in the wrong forum.
Hmm

Minneapolis, MN

#92 Oct 19, 2010
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>I am. I was an altar boy when I was nine. I got tired of the "we care about your opinion" speeches. They don't care about anybody's opinion. They just tell you they do so you'll sit down and go away. I refused to sit down, so I went away. The silly rules that go back centuries don't fit today's society or situations. They sit over at the Vatican making decisions that might fit Italians, but not Americans. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And they wonder why they have no priests and fewer and fewer parishoners. The Good Ole Boys Club is killing the church and there's nothing you want or will do about it.
So, why are you reading this article?
Article

Minneapolis, MN

#93 Oct 19, 2010
Clergy Abuse Survivors wrote:
Not one of the abusive priests or religious order members showed up on any police reports in the state so what is the big deal about Dateline?
Dateline and the other media would not have such programs if it were not for the two decades of drum beating by the clergy abuse survivors. If they had not been beating the drums day after day after day, childhood sexual abuse would not be in media mainstream as it has been the past number of months. AND YOU "Bridge Repair" would not have this communication tool to keep telling people you were abused by a teacher.
Sadly, you are not going to find the healing and recovery you desire by jumping into every sexual abuse discussion in this paper and whining about "the teachers did it too."
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This article is not about sexual abuse.
Website

Minneapolis, MN

#94 Oct 19, 2010
Secret Files wrote:
You forgot the 5,768 priest and thousands upon thousands of religious order abusers.
" The U.S. bishops have reported receiving allegations of abuse by 5,768 priests in 1950-2009, http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AtAGlanc...
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" BishopAccountability.org makes no claim regarding the accuracy of any document we post".
Mike

Saint Cloud, MN

#95 Oct 19, 2010
Hmm wrote:
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So, why are you reading this article?
I get a kick out of the hard cores who act like this was never coming. Ask anyone out where I live. We've got two priests serving 5 churches. They have one mass on the weekend. The local people work very hard but all of this never had to happen if the leadership in the church had taken their heads out of the sand and done something about it 20 years ago. Can you imagine any business run in this fashion? It would have been out of business many years ago.
ben macken

Minneapolis, MN

#96 Oct 21, 2010
yes all the liberal parishes will close
archspm

Saint Paul, MN

#97 Oct 23, 2010
Jackie wrote:
If this is all about relationships. Why is the diocese closing a vibrant church and ripping out our neighborhood anchor? I'm talking about St Thomas. This church is an anchor in my neighborhood...St thomas is debt free, modern, energy efficiant. Why in the world would the diocese want to close that church? They are not telling a truth if it is about relationships.
You are asking the essential question in all of this. Why? Why are they closing a vibrant church like St. Thomas? The process the archdiocese used to determine which parishes are closing, merging, or clustering was all done in secret. There was no involvement by anyone outside of the task force except for a few meeting to get "input" from leadership and laity. No one was allowed to attend their meetings, there were no meeting minutes available to document their discussions, and no one was allowed to read their preliminary report to the Archbishop. In fact you cannot even see the full report/plan because only a "summary" of the plan is available to the public. This is how they plan to “promote and proclaim a communion of faith, hope, and love” and why people like you are leaving.

Since: Oct 08

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#98 Oct 25, 2010
archspm wrote:
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You are asking the essential question in all of this. Why? Why are they closing a vibrant church like St. Thomas? The process the archdiocese used to determine which parishes are closing, merging, or clustering was all done in secret. There was no involvement by anyone outside of the task force except for a few meeting to get "input" from leadership and laity. No one was allowed to attend their meetings, there were no meeting minutes available to document their discussions, and no one was allowed to read their preliminary report to the Archbishop. In fact you cannot even see the full report/plan because only a "summary" of the plan is available to the public. This is how they plan to “promote and proclaim a communion of faith, hope, and love” and why people like you are leaving.
In some circumstances, decisions of this nature need to be made without the emotional ralling of the troops. Could many of these Parishes be "saved"?. Maybe, but would it only be a shortterm fix/solution. More impute would only delay the changes necessary.
When they closed schools, like Holy Childhood, St. Columba, St. Bernards, could those schools have been saved? Sure, but there was no impute asked because, like parishes, there would have been a lot of emotional pleas and promises to raise funds and at the end of the day, the school, due to changes in demographics, enrollment and other factors would have to be closed anyway.
While my parish remain unaffected, I do sympathize with those who will need to move to a different parish or adopt a different community. It will be difficult and perhaps somewhat painful, but overall, the changes will make the Church in St Paul/Minnapolis at better, stronger instituion

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