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"In the Catholic church there is a history of change," said Father Peter Laird, at the Archdiocese Chancery on Summit Ave., St.

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great priests

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Oct 16, 2010
Our priests are orthodox and generally fantastic!

Great signs for the unchanged Church!

Let's get out there and evangelize and convert everyone else!
galileo galilei linceo

Rochester, MN

#2 Oct 17, 2010
"In the Catholic church there is a history of change..."

Really? The catholic church resists change of any sort, unless it is forced upon by external authority or by complete obviousness.

I won't lose any sleep over these outfits closing; but for those who will, the real shame is that they haven't a clue why they are being made obsolete.
Jim Hennen

Deltona, FL

#3 Oct 17, 2010
It is very sad to see the proposed closing of St. John the Baptist in Hugo. I remember that church from many years ago, Hugo being a small village I passed through on my way from Forest Lake into St. Paul or White Bear Lake. However, change is the one constant in this world and change takes place within faith communities. I pray that all will be happy with the merger to St. Genevieve and remember our only obligation is to follow Jesus wherever He may lead, to love and support one another, following His commands.

Since: Jan 09

United States of America

#4 Oct 17, 2010
Jim Hennen wrote:
It is very sad to see the proposed closing of St. John the Baptist in Hugo. I remember that church from many years ago, Hugo being a small village I passed through on my way from Forest Lake into St. Paul or White Bear Lake. However, change is the one constant in this world and change takes place within faith communities. I pray that all will be happy with the merger to St. Genevieve and remember our only obligation is to follow Jesus wherever He may lead, to love and support one another, following His commands.
Well said Jim, by the way, I think I know you. Originally from Minnesota.
Eloise

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Oct 17, 2010
Learn to spell "its" correctly. People read these things, and you're supposed to know the language.
Julie Tholen

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Oct 17, 2010
I am not a regular church goer. I have belonged to five parrishes in my lifetime. The churches have ranged from mid-century architecture to gothic cathedrals to churches that were constructed by immgrant communities who sought a spiritual anchor in their new homes. If the Catholic Church isn't defined by its buildings, then it should not matter where you are married, or where you celebrate the Euchrist. When two or more are gathered in my name...but that isn't the reality. There is a sacredness of place that cannot be denied. A church is not imbued with that sacredness by the sprinkling of holy water, but by the countless prayers offered within its walls, by the essence of its parishioners' lives, sorrows and joys that bless the air and the incense of that permiates walls of the old churches. Instead of reaching out to the new waves of immigrants, through social outreach, ESL, language masses; by providing neighbor places of security and spirtituality, the Church has opted to ignore those opportunities and instead, consolidate into regional / area parrishes. Moving to the Sam's Club version of a House o'Worship. In world of larger is better, the neighborhood parrish is the latest victim.
catholic

United States

#7 Oct 17, 2010
your loseing your churchs because of the thousands of catholic priests that sexually abused young children in church property, and the church knowing about it and doing nothing but transefering the sexual predator catholic priests to other parishes.
catholic

United States

#8 Oct 17, 2010
its costing the catholic church in the u.s.a. over 1 billion dollars because of the thousands of catholic sexual predator priests that sexually abused young children.
I can still remeber years ago asking a strong catholic church going member what he thought about all those catholic priests sexually abuseing all those young children in church property.
he look at me with anger and said it will just blow over.
Bridge Repair Money

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Oct 17, 2010
catholic wrote:
its costing the catholic church in the u.s.a. over 1 billion dollars because of the thousands of catholic sexual predator priests that sexually abused young children.
I can still remeber years ago asking a strong catholic church going member what he thought about all those catholic priests sexually abuseing all those young children in church property.
he look at me with anger and said it will just blow over.
Funny how Liberals pretend the Catholic Church is worse than DFL public school Teachers.

More than a half a dozen public school employees have been convicted in the metro area in the past year.
jcf817

Plymouth, MN

#12 Oct 17, 2010
galileo galilei linceo wrote:
"In the Catholic church there is a history of change..."
Really? The catholic church resists change of any sort, unless it is forced upon by external authority or by complete obviousness.
I won't lose any sleep over these outfits closing; but for those who will, the real shame is that they haven't a clue why they are being made obsolete.
I had this very conversation with someone last night. To those outside the church, it appears to be a static entity. Those within the Church know that change is constant.
Please don't speak unless you know what you're talking about.
St Paul Biker

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Oct 17, 2010
lutherans dont have any merging going on, presbyterians dont have any merging going on...hmm i sense a pattern, maybe people dont want to send thier kids to a church were child abuse is way too common,,let the priests have a family so some dont abust the childeren have you ever heard of a abuse case in the lutherans ? presbyterians ? me neither this is why they are meerging..... they cant afford more settlements
Humpty Dumpty

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Oct 17, 2010
had a great fall and all the archdiocese leaders couldn't put it together again!

All the lies, cover-ups and criminal actions of the archdiocese are being exposed. Bring on a grand jury investigation.
Ratbag

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Oct 17, 2010
So many jokes apply here it's surprising there's so little banter. I confess Catholisism, like all organized religion, in my opinion is wishy-washy. You may now complain.
Jackie

Saint Paul, MN

#17 Oct 17, 2010
If this is all about relationships. Why is the diocese closing a vibrant church and ripping out our neighborhood anchor? Im talking about St Thomas. This church is an anchor in my neighborhood, Im not even catholic and I enjoy the church. The members are warm inviting and I love being at that church. Do you think I will make my way to the other one? NO!

St thomas is debt free, modern, energy efficiant. Why in the world would the diocese want to close that church. They are not telling a truth if it is about relationships. District two neighbors, call your rep and have them oppose the closing of St. Thomas the Apostle. All is not lost, the church can change its position. Dont let the catholic political agenda guilt you into acceptence!
Former Altar Boy

Portland, OR

#18 Oct 17, 2010
jcf817 wrote:
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I had this very conversation with someone last night. To those outside the church, it appears to be a static entity. Those within the Church know that change is constant.
Please don't speak unless you know what you're talking about.
Ha...

After 20+ years of strict, 24-hour-a-day, Roman Catholicism I know WELL of what I am talking about.

Read this. REALLY read this:

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/settleme...

These are just the cases that have been prosecuted. Would you call these incidents isolated?

"Change is constant?" Compared to what? It's a silly statement.

The Catholic Church (under the veneer) has a violent resistance to change. Under the surface, it is still all about control and denial.

Most devout Catholics are not capable of being objective about the horrid positions the Catholic Church has taken over the centuries regarding human rights, equality and their latter day denial on the child abuse cases.

True believers are allowed to protest Catholic Canon to a benign degree. Feisty is one thing. A meaningful effort is another matter.

Good Catholics don't "really" question. After all, being "born into sin" do you really have a right to question Holy Mother Church?

(For those of you who don't know, Catholics are taught they are born with "original sin" on their soul. Eve eating that apple... or whatever she/he/they did passed down this sin to all Catholics. In any case we were alleged to inherit it and will suffer in hell if it is not washed away via baptism. Uh-huh. That helps your thinking a lot when you're six-years-old.)

Call me goofy, but I like to think children are born innocent and pure.

Many years ago, after seeing the human light of reality, I decided I no longer wanted to be in this kind of a club.

I suspect this "merging" is more because of the world economy than the child sex-abuse punitive damages leveled on the Catholic Church. Perhaps there is some unfolding Divine justice.
Devoted Catholic

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Oct 17, 2010
catholic wrote:
your loseing your churchs because of the thousands of catholic priests that sexually abused young children in church property, and the church knowing about it and doing nothing but transefering the sexual predator catholic priests to other parishes.
Get real! If you think for one minute that this has anything to do with the scandal you are truly clueless and stupid! It's about demographics - Take Centerville/Hugo. There are two strong parishes - Centerville with a lot of debt and Hugo running in the black, however both parishes are small in number and can no longer sustain 2 full time pastors at this time. As for Saint Paul and Minneapolis parishes the same can be said for them. Merging will bring about an even stronger Catholic Church in the Twin Cities and especially in Hugo where we are faced with Eagle Brook (the so called Baptist Church who is part of the Baptist General Conference) where one decides to worship by reading their Sunday Newspaper, playing video games and ping pong, air hockey and billiards, while dancing and munching on snacks. Most of which is against the teachings of the Baptist Faith.

In the end, however, it does not matter if your Catholic, Lutheran, Evangelical, Methodist, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Episicapalian, Assembly of God, Baptist or whatever, we all believe in the same thing and share the common mission.

That being said, yes there was a scandal in the church, however there isn't a day that goes by that there isn't mention of the same scandal in other denominations - just read the world news!

May Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour forgive your unkind comments and hurtfullness in this time of pain and sorrow that real Catholics are asked to face.
Devoted Catholic

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Oct 17, 2010
catholic wrote:
its costing the catholic church in the u.s.a. over 1 billion dollars because of the thousands of catholic sexual predator priests that sexually abused young children.
I can still remeber years ago asking a strong catholic church going member what he thought about all those catholic priests sexually abuseing all those young children in church property.
he look at me with anger and said it will just blow over.
Again- check your facts - there aren't "thousands of priest that molested children." And by the way did you know that a great deal of the cases that were brought forth had no merit and were thrown out by the courts? Hmmm, guess not - you Catholic Bashing Moron!
Tired of Stupid People

Saint Paul, MN

#21 Oct 17, 2010
St Paul Biker wrote:
lutherans dont have any merging going on, presbyterians dont have any merging going on...hmm i sense a pattern, maybe people dont want to send thier kids to a church were child abuse is way too common,,let the priests have a family so some dont abust the childeren have you ever heard of a abuse case in the lutherans ? presbyterians ? me neither this is why they are meerging..... they cant afford more settlements
YES - read your papers - just a while back there was a case of the protestant minister from Woodbury busted, and another from Minneapolis, and then the one that was busted for groping a police officer a couple of years back - get a clue and a life!
Bridge Repair Money

Saint Paul, MN

#22 Oct 17, 2010
Question Mark wrote:
I have never heard of a child rapist asking a child what politics or party are talked about at the family kitchen table ! You are a damn idiot
<quoted text>
And you're an a**!
Former Altar Boy

Portland, OR

#23 Oct 17, 2010
Devoted Catholic wrote:
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Again- check your facts - there aren't "thousands of priest that molested children." And by the way did you know that a great deal of the cases that were brought forth had no merit and were thrown out by the courts? Hmmm, guess not - you Catholic Bashing Moron!
Read this. You must have missed it. No merit? Ask the victims. These are facts.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/settleme...

Wake up.

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