Are there Libs in SJC?
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#41 Jul 22, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
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So what you are saying, then, is that most liberals actually SUPPORT the Patriot Act?
I don't know how you came up with that. So you are saying most cons ACTUALLY support the PA? I ACTUALLY don't know. If you do, blurt it out and quit your typical con gaming. Although, it doesn't matter till 2015 what either party supports.
I will add this to clarify what I really said; most libs supported Obama in 2012 despite his renewing the PA in 2011. So if libs were "fooled" as asserted, it didn't show up in the 2012 turnout.
Must

Huntsville, AL

#42 Jul 22, 2013
Whammer Jammer wrote:
The liberals are begrudgingly tolerated. But not accepted.....especially to the west of Farmington.
be an embarrassing reminder for the cons who settled for stupidity.
Not surprisng

Huntsville, AL

#43 Jul 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
liberals
Since the nation was founded by liberals and they continue to sustain and reinvigorate the country.
Atomic Cafe

Albuquerque, NM

#44 Jul 23, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know how you came up with that. So you are saying most cons ACTUALLY support the PA? I ACTUALLY don't know. If you do, blurt it out and quit your typical con gaming. Although, it doesn't matter till 2015 what either party supports.
I will add this to clarify what I really said; most libs supported Obama in 2012 despite his renewing the PA in 2011. So if libs were "fooled" as asserted, it didn't show up in the 2012 turnout.
Why, from you of course! You are the one who said Obama renewed the Patriot Act, and then won by a liberal landslide. So if you libs didn't vote for him because of his policies and his stand on the issues, what DID you vote for him for?
Atomic Cafe

Albuquerque, NM

#45 Jul 23, 2013
Not surprisng wrote:
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Since the nation was founded by liberals and they continue to sustain and reinvigorate the country.
Wow. You really are delusional.

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#46 Jul 23, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
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Why, from you of course! You are the one who said Obama renewed the Patriot Act, and then won by a liberal landslide. So if you libs didn't vote for him because of his policies and his stand on the issues, what DID you vote for him for?
Considering there was an all out effort to sabotage his presidency on day one from the elected right wing. They thwarted every idea and proposal he put forth even though some were originally their own ideas. I felt it was important for him to have another chance.

Godamighty man have you forgotten who his opposition was?
nope

Huntsville, AL

#47 Jul 23, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
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Wow. You really are delusional.
student of history.
Atomic Cafe

Albuquerque, NM

#48 Jul 23, 2013
bleeding heart liberal wrote:
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Considering there was an all out effort to sabotage his presidency on day one from the elected right wing. They thwarted every idea and proposal he put forth even though some were originally their own ideas. I felt it was important for him to have another chance.
Godamighty man have you forgotten who his opposition was?
Leftists always call opposing political viewpoints "sabotage", "corrupt", or some other nonsense. The elected "right wing" was, and is, doing exactly what they were elected to do, stop the leftist agenda. They deserve a standing ovation. Obama's opposition? Yup, I know who he was, likely the most honest and ethical man to run for President in decades: Mitt Romney. If Romney had been elected, we would already be on the road to fiscal recovery, our economy would be growing, and more importantly, the job market would be improving, only because Obama's foot would be off the neck of business, which is responsible for ALL real economic growth, and they would be spending their money, rather than holding onto it. And before you jump in with your weak defense of our current, so-called "recovery", the people already know better, so don't even try it.
Atomic Cafe

Albuquerque, NM

#49 Jul 23, 2013
nope wrote:
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student of history.
Nah, you don't know a thing about history, or you would know how big government socialism run by a dictator always turns out. You are just delusional.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#50 Jul 23, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
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Why, from you of course! You are the one who said Obama renewed the Patriot Act, and then won by a liberal landslide. So if you libs didn't vote for him because of his policies and his stand on the issues, what DID you vote for him for?
I have no burning desire to explain my vote to you.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#51 Jul 23, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
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Leftists always call opposing political viewpoints "sabotage", "corrupt", or some other nonsense. The elected "right wing" was, and is, doing exactly what they were elected to do, stop the leftist agenda. They deserve a standing ovation. Obama's opposition? Yup, I know who he was, likely the most honest and ethical man to run for President in decades: Mitt Romney. If Romney had been elected, we would already be on the road to fiscal recovery, our economy would be growing, and more importantly, the job market would be improving, only because Obama's foot would be off the neck of business, which is responsible for ALL real economic growth, and they would be spending their money, rather than holding onto it. And before you jump in with your weak defense of our current, so-called "recovery", the people already know better, so don't even try it.
Damn, why didn't you do all of that when Bush was Prez-either Bush.Please spare me your screed on how great Reagan was.,("the people already know better").
So tell us why didn't the most honest and ethical man to run for President in decades win the election? Or better yet, why didn't the most honest and ethical man to run for President in decades fair better in his own party? And while we're at it, why don't you consider McCain ethical and honest?

BTW, if you're still having trouble getting employed, you might consider a retraing program.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#52 Jul 23, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
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Nah, you don't know a thing about history, or you would know how big government socialism run by a dictator always turns out. You are just delusional.
Your statement indicates how little you understand about our government- past or present.
Do yourself a favor, pick a "big government socialism run by a dictator" and contrast that with our current government and include it on this forum. Otherwise, your statement is simply a weak fart that has no meaning.

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#53 Jul 23, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
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Leftists always call opposing political viewpoints "sabotage", "corrupt", or some other nonsense. The elected "right wing" was, and is, doing exactly what they were elected to do, stop the leftist agenda. They deserve a standing ovation. Obama's opposition? Yup, I know who he was, likely the most honest and ethical man to run for President in decades: Mitt Romney. If Romney had been elected, we would already be on the road to fiscal recovery, our economy would be growing, and more importantly, the job market would be improving, only because Obama's foot would be off the neck of business, which is responsible for ALL real economic growth, and they would be spending their money, rather than holding onto it. And before you jump in with your weak defense of our current, so-called "recovery", the people already know better, so don't even try it.
If not sabotage what would you call the meeting of the con heavy weights on the night of Obama's inauguration?[nonsense] Honesty and ethical certainly not adjectives I would use to describe Mr. 1%. Jimmie Carter was truly an honest and ethical man, not a particularly effective president.

The past 30 years have set the US on a course right back to the Robber Barons of the late 1800s. Income disparity is the largest in 90 years. Instead of trying to slow this trend Romney would have injected steroids. He is the epitome of what I am talking about. Big corps running the gov., exporting jobs, creating minimum wage jobs in US, squirreling money overseas to avoid taxes and paying a lower tax rate than the hard working Joe at the hardware store. Give me a freaking break. Honest and ethical?

http://truth-out.org / opinion / item / 10122-eight-ways-america...

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2011/nov...
Atomic Cafe

Albuquerque, NM

#54 Jul 23, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>Damn, why didn't you do all of that when Bush was Prez-either Bush.Please spare me your screed on how great Reagan was.,("the people already know better").
So tell us why didn't the most honest and ethical man to run for President in decades win the election? Or better yet, why didn't the most honest and ethical man to run for President in decades fair better in his own party? And while we're at it, why don't you consider McCain ethical and honest?
BTW, if you're still having trouble getting employed, you might consider a retraing program.
Reagan was the greatest President of the 20th century. Romney may have been the greatest of the 21st century. We'll never know..except we know it isn't going to be Obama. Obama might make most divisive president. Why didn't Romney win? Because less than 3 percent more of the U.S. wanted free cell phones, college tuition, food stamps, unemployment extensions, and welfare. Romney said "We'll put America back to work!" And the left said "To hell with that!"

Sorry if you feel I dissed your man McCain, but I don't think he was running against Obama's re-election campaign. Employed? Me? Why would I want to be employed? I'm happily retired, so I work when I want to.
Atomic Cafe

Albuquerque, NM

#55 Jul 23, 2013
bleeding heart liberal wrote:
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If not sabotage what would you call the meeting of the con heavy weights on the night of Obama's inauguration?[nonsense] Honesty and ethical certainly not adjectives I would use to describe Mr. 1%. Jimmie Carter was truly an honest and ethical man, not a particularly effective president.
The past 30 years have set the US on a course right back to the Robber Barons of the late 1800s. Income disparity is the largest in 90 years. Instead of trying to slow this trend Romney would have injected steroids. He is the epitome of what I am talking about. Big corps running the gov., exporting jobs, creating minimum wage jobs in US, squirreling money overseas to avoid taxes and paying a lower tax rate than the hard working Joe at the hardware store. Give me a freaking break. Honest and ethical?
http://truth-out.org / opinion / item / 10122-eight-ways-america...
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2011/nov...
You Robber Baron myth doesn't fly with me. The people you call robber barons were the people who built the industrial base that made the United States the greatest manufacturing powerhouse the world had ever known. It's people like you who are destroying it. If it weren't for those you call robber barons, we might all be saying "Seig Hiel" instead of saluting the flag..but I forgot, you lefties don't want us to salute the flag either. I don't do your class warfare bullshit either. I've never been one to be jealous of those who make more money than me, I've always wanted to learn how to do it too.

Hate to break it to you, but Obama and big time Democrats like Reid, Pelosi, and Feinstein are all big takers of corporate donations just like everyone else in D.C., and for 5 of those 30 years you mention, Obama's been president, and Clinton was president for 8 of the 30.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#56 Jul 23, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
<quoted text>
Reagan was the greatest President of the 20th century. Romney may have been the greatest of the 21st century. We'll never know..except we know it isn't going to be Obama. Obama might make most divisive president. Why didn't Romney win? Because less than 3 percent more of the U.S. wanted free cell phones, college tuition, food stamps, unemployment extensions, and welfare. Romney said "We'll put America back to work!" And the left said "To hell with that!"
Sorry if you feel I dissed your man McCain, but I don't think he was running against Obama's re-election campaign. Employed? Me? Why would I want to be employed? I'm happily retired, so I work when I want to.
Well, I'm glad to hear you are doing so well in this Obama trashy economy. Millions more where you came from.It'll be even better after the 2014 elections, I betcha.With Romney you could stand on the docks and wave bye bye to jobs and American $$$$$$.
Romney also said Jeeps are moving to China. Did you buy that lie too? I'm sure he told Ann, "I just wanna put my hand on it".
We all know how great Reagan was and we all know how you revise history too."Weelll, I just don't recall".Who said that???? Not Nixon, I'm sure. He said, "I'm not a crook". Every one else said, "Bullshite".
Clinton said, "That depends on your definition of [sex?] and got impeached for it. What did Daddy Bush get for illegally invading Panama? NADA!Recall Reagan said, "The 11th commandment is to never dis a fellow con"- or something like that and collected $1 mill for the speech and you voted for Obama 1st time around. "Bullshite".
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#57 Jul 23, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
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You Robber Baron myth doesn't fly with me. The people you call robber barons were the people who built the industrial base that made the United States the greatest manufacturing powerhouse the world had ever known. It's people like you who are destroying it. If it weren't for those you call robber barons, we might all be saying "Seig Hiel" instead of saluting the flag..but I forgot, you lefties don't want us to salute the flag either. I don't do your class warfare bullshit either. I've never been one to be jealous of those who make more money than me, I've always wanted to learn how to do it too.
Hate to break it to you, but Obama and big time Democrats like Reid, Pelosi, and Feinstein are all big takers of corporate donations just like everyone else in D.C., and for 5 of those 30 years you mention, Obama's been president, and Clinton was president for 8 of the 30.
Now tell it all. Tell whose back those hero's built this great nation on.Whose money did they use. Whose land did they steal. Whose palms did they grease. Tell the WHOLE story. We lefties love saluting the flag; but the US flag; not the Swastika that you industrialists salute!

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#58 Jul 23, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
<quoted text>
You Robber Baron myth doesn't fly with me. The people you call robber barons were the people who built the industrial base that made the United States the greatest manufacturing powerhouse the world had ever known. It's people like you who are destroying it. If it weren't for those you call robber barons, we might all be saying "Seig Hiel" instead of saluting the flag..but I forgot, you lefties don't want us to salute the flag either. I don't do your class warfare bullshit either. I've never been one to be jealous of those who make more money than me, I've always wanted to learn how to do it too.
Hate to break it to you, but Obama and big time Democrats like Reid, Pelosi, and Feinstein are all big takers of corporate

donations just like everyone else in D.C., and for 5 of those 30 years you mention, Obama's been president, and Clinton was president for 8 of the 30.
Facts is facts. The unions organized and demanded better working conditions and higher wages for the overworked and under paid people building that [great manufacturing powerhouse] which consequently created the middle class. Something the Robber Barons of today have practically destroyed.

Saint Ronnie hmmmmm maybe you should study some facts about that great president.

As far as corp. donations, what do you think I'm railing against? Lobbyists, Koch Brothers, Big Pharma, Wall Street and the 1%. Left or right.

I have no envy in me, only empathy for the poor and less fortunate.

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#59 Jul 23, 2013
Read this and weep.
The Mask of A False God: The Real Record of Ronald Reagan
Conservatives this week have been on a lying love-fest to commemorate the 100th birthday of Republicansí man-turned-god, Ronald Reagan. Everyone from Sarah Palin to Newt Gingrich to Republican Senators on the floor of the Senate have praised the addle-brained B-movie actor-turned-governor and then President as the ideal of conservatism. Although Reagan is touted as the ultimate conservative, his record as governor of California and President belies the neo-conservative narrative of low taxes and small government. What Reagan did accomplish was to usher in an era of business first, people second that has continued to 2011, and is singularly responsible for the ongoing destruction of the middle-class and elevation of corporatism and theocracy to the detriment of America.
Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times, nearly tripled the federal budget deficit, gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants and their families, increased the size of the federal government, and presided over an unemployment increase after cutting taxes for the rich but raising them for the middle class and the poor. Republicans and conservative groups are hard-pressed to admit to those aspects of the Reagan presidency, but regardless their efforts to rewrite history, the records are there for all to see.
During the Reagan presidency, he was responsible for helping to destroy unions for big business and is directly responsible for mining disasters in West Virginia where he assisted Don Blankenship of Massey Energy to prevent unions from protecting coal miners. Despite historical truth that union membership helped create the middle class in America starting after the Second World War, Republicans are continuing their narrative that unions are responsible for the economic woes the country is facing today.
The conservative notion that cutting taxes creates jobs and increases revenue is ongoing from the Reagan era and during his first year in office when he cut taxes, the government went deeper into debt and despite raising taxes 10 more times he was never able to rein in the federal deficit. His economic policies are still the stuff of legend for conservatives, but instead of helping American families, he was responsible for an income disparity that saw average incomes for the top wage earners triple or quadruple while the median income has risen only 30%(adjusted for inflation).
The rise of the religious right in America is in part due to Reaganís deal with the devil (moral majority) by giving them a voice and a foothold in politics in exchange for their voting bloc. Reaganís unholy alliance with the likes of Jerry Falwell has been a thorn in the side of womenís rights and religious freedom that continues to this day with Republicans making every attempt to restrict a womanís right to choose in the 112th Congress.
What must be a source of embarrassment for Republicans and conservatives is Reaganís creation of the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan. Reagan was responsible for funding, training, arming, and equipping the Islamist mujahidin in Afghanistan as a means of combatting the former Soviet Union. Reagan was responsible for channeling billions of dollars and sophisticated weapons through Pakistanís intelligence agency that is still responsible for helping the Taliban to kill Americans in Afghanistan and the border region with Pakistan.
It is curious why Republicans have elevated Ronald Reagan to god-like status when history shows he presided over what is arguably a period of criminal activity and economic despair for millions of Americans. Reaganís administration illegally sold arms to Iranian officials in exchange for American hostages despite an arms embargo in place at the time. If it wasnít bad enough selling arms illegally, Reagan secretly used some of the proceeds to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua that was directly prohibited by Congress. cont.

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#60 Jul 23, 2013
Ronald Reaganís tenure as California governor does nothing to add to his mystique as a humanitarian because he committed one of the worst atrocities on mentally ill Californians that the State is still dealing with today. Reagan closed all of Californiaís State Hospitals that were the primary care mental health facilities, and put the patients on the streets without any care or safety nets. Californiaís streets are still the home for those mental patients who have not since died from lack of care or are not in prison. Besides putting the mentally ill on the streets, Reaganís actions put thousands of health professionals out of a job further costing the state tax revenue.

Republicans can profess Ronald Reaganís greatness as the epitome of conservative idealism but they are in denial of the truth about the man. His lack of political experience allowed his underlings and corporate masters to dictate policy that America is still suffering from in 2011. He was not a fiscal conservative and besides raising taxes, he increased the size of the federal government much like subsequent Republican administrations and it has cost the American people dearly.

Perhaps Republicans are not in denial and are counting on memory loss from those who lived through the Reagan years or the ignorance of young Republicans who worship the image of Reagan instead of his horrendous record. When one considers the damage that Reagan allowed his Cabinet to wreak on America because his brain had turned to mush, the man conservatives idolize is just a puppet for corporations and banks like Republicans today. Reaganís legacy will forever be cemented in American lore as a bad president and destroyer of the American dream and no amount of revisionist history will change that.

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